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Gorsameth
Netherlands22422 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
The Trump administration on Monday limited to 100 the number of Chinese citizens who may work in the United States for five state-controlled Chinese news organizations. [...] But the new limits could, in effect, force Chinese citizens to leave if their visas allowing them to work in the United States are tied to the news organizations that must now choose which employees will remain on assignment in the United States. [...] The State Department officials would not discuss what steps China might take in retaliation. Maybe these are the steps they took in retaliation. | ||
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farvacola
United States18863 Posts
On March 18 2020 03:04 JimmiC wrote: Maybe China does not realize that unlike their Media the Government does not control all the messages and is not a direct propaganda device for the Dictatorship. It is not like the NYT for example is very positive when it comes to Trump. Yeah Trump’s disregard for NYT and WaPo makes the decision strange if it’s supposed to be some kind of tit for tat. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24033 Posts
On March 18 2020 02:58 Gorsameth wrote: If its all foreign press its to hide something, if its just US press its merely another step in the back and forth China and the US have had for a while now. Yeah, as far as I can tell it is just the US so there's no need for conspiracy theories imo. Basically the WSJ published some racist headline that hit a sore spot in their cultural history and it's been a tit for tat back and forth since. On March 18 2020 03:10 farvacola wrote: Yeah Trump’s disregard for NYT and WaPo makes the decision strange if it’s supposed to be some kind of tit for tat. Not really, it isn't a tit for tat just with Trump, it is with the US government war machine and their media arms. NYT is obvious after Iraq right? WaPo doesn't leap to the front of my mind, so perhaps they are just collateral damage? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Falling
Canada11547 Posts
On March 17 2020 21:53 GreenHorizons wrote: I just can't stop thinking about all the things that aren't being done/made right now that we absolutely don't have to go back to making/doing, and simply not going back to it could save countless lives. My hope is that people get used to some of the changes and demand some good reasons (which don't exist imo) to go back at least. Things will go back to normal. A lot of what is shutting down is people being social- choirs, sports teams both professional and now community leagues. But as for spending patterns, spending on luxury items is inevitable in a free and affluent society. Any curb in spending is liable to return unless we were to go through a very significant economic downturn like the Great Depression- a great many of that generation's spending patterns were permanently altered. Short of that, I suspect we bounce back to status quo. (Unless instead of the affluent side, we attack the free side.) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24033 Posts
On March 18 2020 03:18 Falling wrote: Things will go back to normal. A lot of what is shutting down is people being social- choirs, sports teams both professional and now community leagues. But as for spending patterns, spending on luxury items is inevitable in a free and affluent society. Any curb in spending is liable to return unless we were to go through a very significant economic downturn like the Great Depression- a great many of that generation's spending patterns were permanently altered. Short of that, I suspect we bounce back to status quo. (Unless instead of the affluent side, we attack the free side.) I'm not sure how the global economy will shift to compensate for an elongated and dramatic drop in demand from the US and parts of Europe, what happens if/when this hits India in a serious way, and a host of other factors but I honestly don't know how people think we're not heading for a depression domestically. The only way to avoid it is to put massive amounts of cash in people's pockets and that terrifies people that think society is contingent on the threat of dying if you don't work. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-trump-economic-stimulus-20200317-zpsv5weei5gexphfrbog6g2eyq-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2-xsW-FvmoxDcKFofSKjqGZXyEmDJ3dkko1kyMgQFlnzlvKH8h0PegDnw I am happy to see the necessary steps of temporary freedom dividend ! | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28814 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 18 2020 03:18 Falling wrote: Things will go back to normal. A lot of what is shutting down is people being social- choirs, sports teams both professional and now community leagues. But as for spending patterns, spending on luxury items is inevitable in a free and affluent society. Any curb in spending is liable to return unless we were to go through a very significant economic downturn like the Great Depression- a great many of that generation's spending patterns were permanently altered. Short of that, I suspect we bounce back to status quo. (Unless instead of the affluent side, we attack the free side.) Things don't stop and restart that easily. For workers like me (and I imagine a number of folks here) who are in white collar jobs, I have the luxury of simply working from home. I'm very unlikely to be fired, and I'll keep getting my paycheck through this. My company will mostly continue to make money through this as well. I'm also young and relatively healthy, so for me this is a more of a large annoyance and hit to my investments/ retirement. On the other hand, there are hourly workers, as well as the sort of businesses they work for, who won't make it through well. Hourly workers aren't making any money. Given the state of savings, many may not be able to make their next rent payment - or the following one. Restaurants, hospitality, etc. are cutting marginal costs, etc. while they're not making money, but they're still losing money on fixed costs. Places won't open back up. People won't have jobs to go back to. My part of the economy will be alright. The other one will hurt - a lot if this persists. Even if COVID were to disappear tomorrow and everyone was miraculously cured, there would still be lasting damage. It's akin to getting blood/ oxygen cut off from part of the body - it's slowly dying, and even if you restore circulation, there will be short term loss of function, and possibly long term damage. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24033 Posts
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brian
United States9642 Posts
On March 18 2020 03:54 Mohdoo wrote: Trump bends the knee to Yang. Welcome to the Yang gang! https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-trump-economic-stimulus-20200317-zpsv5weei5gexphfrbog6g2eyq-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2-xsW-FvmoxDcKFofSKjqGZXyEmDJ3dkko1kyMgQFlnzlvKH8h0PegDnw I am happy to see the necessary steps of temporary freedom dividend ! not much of a mental stretch for trump to see a problem and want to throw money at it and cross his fingers it works. i can only imagine how the rest of the gop and rand paul feel about it tho. not publicly of course. well, paul is probably publicly against it? apparently McConnell is all for it. my world feels upside down. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:02 brian wrote: not much of a mental stretch for trump to see a problem and want to throw money at it and cross his fingers it works. i can only imagine how the rest of the gop and rand paul feel about it tho. not publicly of course. well, paul is probably publicly against it? apparently McConnell is all for it. my world feels upside down. It's not upside down. It's that without this, the country will be so amazingly fucked that the gop would never win another election. This is a matter of survival for the GOP. Party in power will always be blamed when things go wrong and this is clearly entirely on them to fix. A bad result (10+% unemployment) would mean guaranteed ejection. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27002 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:28 Mohdoo wrote: First friend laid off from her job. Another friend's barber and all coworkers laid off. This stimulus bill needs to hurry up! Hopefully, although with rushed through stimulus packages after a pretty fucking shit response to the looming pandemic, I’m shall I say a teensy bit skeptical about safeguards over how this money is spent. Hey if it can keep actual people and businesses afloat great, I just imagine people are already rubbing their hands on how to try and game this. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
I can see Amazon making off like a bandit during this getting increase of sales while getting government aid. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On March 18 2020 09:34 semantics wrote: Shelter in place orders will flat out kill many businesses. Outside of direct cash to them such things would cause many to lapse on their rent and loans. I can see Amazon making off like a bandit during this getting increase of sales while getting government aid. I had an elderly man come in my store today because we were open and it's senior day, so he got 10% off. He said he's coming back tomorrow too to get stuff he might have missed while looking. He should not be out of his house. We shouldn't be open. People will get sick because the company wants to make 4K a day from a dead store because the local competition had the decency to fucking close. People will die because they're too god damn stupid, greedy, or both. Amazon is in a hiring spree right now because they can't keep up with orders. | ||
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