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mierin
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On March 17 2020 03:31 farvacola wrote: Well one way to do it is to place a halt on all foreclosure and eviction proceedings, which is what Wayne County (Detroit) just did moments ago. Folks can continue the accounting side in the interim, but there’s no doubt some kind of monetary relief will have to follow. What does that mean, though? Let's say the eviction halting lasts for 3 months. Would tenants get an outstanding bill for the full 3 month's rent they owed, and then be expected to pay that back by end of month or just get evicted? There's no way someone who has had their working hours affected by the virus (which is the reason for the freezing anyway) is going to be able to cough up that sum of money. Just seems like a stay of execution, unless I'm misunderstanding the situation. | ||
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On March 17 2020 03:31 farvacola wrote: Well one way to do it is to place a halt on all foreclosure and eviction proceedings, which is what Wayne County (Detroit) just did moments ago. Folks can continue the accounting side in the interim, but there’s no doubt some kind of monetary relief will have to follow. Right. So long as the total work being done is drastically decreased, there will need to be an enormous injection at some point. It's not if. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On March 17 2020 03:50 LegalLord wrote: It seems quite questionable to just say "handle the accounting problem later." If people stop paying, someone gets screwed. Either the renters, the landowners, or the banks. If the government has already agreed to pick up the bill, maybe that's the best option, but again: if you don't know what's happening, what's to stop people from just failing to pay their rents/mortgages for the foreseeable future? Maybe the first attempt isn't perfect, but hopefully someone at least thought that problem through. Protect people where they live, then landlords that can't make their mortgage and banks that can't pay taxes on the land lose it to compensate the government for keeping the people in their homes. Then the government turns over any vacant properties to a public housing project to provide housing for those still left out. As a practical matter some properties that are impractical for single/multi-family occupation will have to be repurposed and/or reconstructed. Not what I expect from Trump and Congress, but that's what I think we need imo. Also requisition unoccupied homes in populous areas that are not occupied by their owner to be used for additional public housing. Should be a transitioning of ownership from the feds to the people that live there in an orderly fashion over time as well. | ||
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On March 17 2020 03:59 GreenHorizons wrote: Protect people where they live, then landlords that can't make their mortgage and banks that can't pay taxes on the land lose it to compensate the government for keeping the people in their homes. Then the government turns over any vacant properties to a public housing project to provide housing for those still left out. As a practical matter some properties that are impractical for single/multi-family occupation will have to be repurposed and/or reconstructed. Not what I expect from Trump and Congress, but that's what I think we need imo. Also requisition unoccupied homes in populous areas that are not occupied by their owner to be used for additional public housing. Should be a transitioning of ownership from the feds to the people that live there in an orderly fashion over time as well. Sounds inefficient. If we're to arbitrarily force landlords to provide free housing to the current tenants, and banks to cover the loans, why not just skip those intermediate steps and go to the part where the government forcefully seizes all private property? Because honestly, that sounds like exactly what you're suggesting. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On March 17 2020 04:38 LegalLord wrote: Sounds inefficient. If we're to arbitrarily force landlords to provide free housing to the current tenants, and banks to cover the loans, why not just skip those intermediate steps and go to the part where the government forcefully seizes all private property? Because honestly, that sounds like exactly what you're suggesting. No need to transfer ownership. Just prevent eviction and foreclosure until it all blows over. People will recover. People currently sick and removed from the economy will return. Sadly, many will die, but many will also return. Factories will re-open. I basically see it as: The federal government should pay everyone's mortgage for about 2 or 3 months. We'll probably be fine after that. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On March 17 2020 04:38 LegalLord wrote: Sounds inefficient. If we're to arbitrarily force landlords to provide free housing to the current tenants, and banks to cover the loans, why not just skip those intermediate steps and go to the part where the government forcefully seizes all private property? Because honestly, that sounds like exactly what you're suggesting. Staggering it and using mechanisms people already accept would be more orderly imo. I suppose we could quibble over the 'forcibly' part. I don't think "all private property" is realistic unless we're talking about over the course of decades. If landlords and bankers turned violent in their efforts to remove people from their homes, I could see it settling out more rapidly. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On March 17 2020 04:47 GreenHorizons wrote: Staggering it and using mechanisms people already accept would be more orderly imo. I suppose we could quibble over the 'forcibly' part. I don't think "all private property" is realistic unless we're talking about over the course of decades. If landlords and bankers turned violent in their efforts to remove people from their homes, I could see it settling out more rapidly. And this is where GH's stance on gun control is shown to be extremely big-brain. You always seem to end up winning these discussions, you asshole. <3 | ||
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Sadist
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Trump actually makes everything worse. He just needs to fucking shut up. He shouldnt even be talking it should be experts only. | ||
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WombaT
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On March 16 2020 09:59 JimmiC wrote: I believe the best system that currently exists is social democracy. It is far from perfect but is a lot better than the likes of China, Venezuela, North Korea and so on in the dictatorship "left" (I put left in brackets because I don't see any meaningful difference between a right and left wing dictatorship, saying the left one is better is like saying I'd rather eat my shit than someone else's which does not much matter, I'd rather just not eat any shit). And far better than dictatorship right like Russia, Turkey and so on. And far better than the democratic right like US, Brazil and so on. And I also believe that any democracy is better than Totalitarian dictatorships, especially domestically, not always the case outside of ones borders. There is reasons why most of the countries around China allow American air Bases and are not happy about China building new islands and so on to expand their reach. There is also reasons why millions of Venezuelan's are fleeing Venezuela and no it is not the "soft power" exerted by America that caused it, millions had fled before the sanctions, but they are not helping. Mainly because if enough people want someone like Bernie Sanders in the States they have the power to elect him. The Chinese people, and Venezuelan people have no choice, they are stuck with their shit. I do not think the right action is to force people into socialism through violent revolution, but rather educate them so eventually they choose it this will take way longer and might never work. But having a violent revolution and then forcing it on people will defiantly not work, I know this because it never has. No it is not as fast as I would like, but it sure as hell beats the alternative. And yes checks and balances do not work perfectly and that is why loop holes need to be constantly closed instead of being opened on purpose like is currently happening in the USA. Much like with video games when you have a shit ton of people trying to exploit shit for their own benefits tons of stuff gets figured out and needs to be patched. The US system needs a hell of a patch not more bugs. Rather late but apologies for my shitty attitude in my post Jimmy, thanks for the earnest response. | ||
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