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On March 14 2020 14:15 Nevuk wrote: Per politico reporter. White House put out a press release saying Trump's doctor said that Trump doesn't need to be tested or quarantined because he's low risk. Keep in mind, many of the people he's met with have tested positive, and the mayor of Miami just tested positive and met with many of the same people.
Well Trudeau's wife tested positive, and Justin Trudeau hasn't been tested either because he isn't showing symptoms. There's apparently no point in testing prior to the display of symptoms, as the viral load may not be high enough to show up in testing. It's better to save the tests for those that have a good chance of being infected.
Unless he's on some serious cough suppressants though I think Trump's probably ok for now. Idiotic as always but probably ok, his speech didn't seem anywhere near as desperate as that Iranian minister a few weeks back.
On March 14 2020 14:15 Nevuk wrote: Per politico reporter. White House put out a press release saying Trump's doctor said that Trump doesn't need to be tested or quarantined because he's low risk. Keep in mind, many of the people he's met with have tested positive, and the mayor of Miami just tested positive and met with many of the same people.
Well Trudeau's wife tested positive, and Justin Trudeau hasn't been tested either because he isn't showing symptoms. There's apparently no point in testing prior to the display of symptoms, as the viral load may not be high enough to show up in testing. It's better to save the tests for those that have a good chance of being infected.
Unless he's on some serious cough suppressants though I think he's probably ok for now. Idiotic as always but probably ok, his speech didn't seem anywhere near as desperate as that Iranian minister a few weeks back.
Yeah I really liked how Trudeau (supposedly) chose not to be tested so that other people who need the test can have it.
On March 14 2020 14:15 Nevuk wrote: Per politico reporter. White House put out a press release saying Trump's doctor said that Trump doesn't need to be tested or quarantined because he's low risk. Keep in mind, many of the people he's met with have tested positive, and the mayor of Miami just tested positive and met with many of the same people.
Well Trudeau's wife tested positive, and Justin Trudeau hasn't been tested either because he isn't showing symptoms. There's apparently no point in testing prior to the display of symptoms, as the viral load may not be high enough to show up in testing. It's better to save the tests for those that have a good chance of being infected.
Unless he's on some serious cough suppressants though I think he's probably ok for now. Idiotic as always but probably ok, his speech didn't seem anywhere near as desperate as that Iranian minister a few weeks back.
Yeah I really liked how Trudeau (supposedly) chose not to be tested so that other people who need the test can have it.
It makes for a great soundbite but is just general medical practice. When the amount of tests you can do are limit there is no point in 'wasting' it on someone who is being isolated anyway.
On March 14 2020 14:15 Nevuk wrote: Per politico reporter. White House put out a press release saying Trump's doctor said that Trump doesn't need to be tested or quarantined because he's low risk. Keep in mind, many of the people he's met with have tested positive, and the mayor of Miami just tested positive and met with many of the same people.
Well Trudeau's wife tested positive, and Justin Trudeau hasn't been tested either because he isn't showing symptoms. There's apparently no point in testing prior to the display of symptoms, as the viral load may not be high enough to show up in testing. It's better to save the tests for those that have a good chance of being infected.
Unless he's on some serious cough suppressants though I think Trump's probably ok for now. Idiotic as always but probably ok, his speech didn't seem anywhere near as desperate as that Iranian minister a few weeks back.
Edit:: clarify I think Trump doesn't have it yet
Handshakes are like one of the number one ways of transmitting the virus... lol
On March 14 2020 14:15 Nevuk wrote: Per politico reporter. White House put out a press release saying Trump's doctor said that Trump doesn't need to be tested or quarantined because he's low risk. Keep in mind, many of the people he's met with have tested positive, and the mayor of Miami just tested positive and met with many of the same people.
Well Trudeau's wife tested positive, and Justin Trudeau hasn't been tested either because he isn't showing symptoms. There's apparently no point in testing prior to the display of symptoms, as the viral load may not be high enough to show up in testing. It's better to save the tests for those that have a good chance of being infected.
Unless he's on some serious cough suppressants though I think Trump's probably ok for now. Idiotic as always but probably ok, his speech didn't seem anywhere near as desperate as that Iranian minister a few weeks back.
Edit:: clarify I think Trump doesn't have it yet
Handshakes are like one of the number one ways of transmitting the virus... lol
Not if you squeeze them really hard. Trumps is known to have the strongest handshakes!
Trump just announced he's been tested and is waiting on the results. He said he was tested last night.
This exchange that led to him agreeing to it was ... something.
Transcript if you don't want to watch video:
“I have no idea who he is, but I take pictures and it lasts for, literally, seconds,” Trump said. “I don’t know the gentleman that we’re talking about. I have no idea who he is. I haven’t seen the picture. I said, ‘There’s a picture of somebody,’ but I take sometimes hundreds of pictures a day. And that night I was taking hundreds of pictures. So I just don’t know.”
“The person you were standing next to, whether you know who he is or not, tested positive for coronavirus,” Jiang began, citing the important medical fact that you don’t actually have to know a person in order for them to transmit the coronavirus to you.
“Dr. Fauci said this morning, ‘If you stand next to somebody who tested positive, you should self-isolate and get a test,'” Jiang continued, referring to an interview Dr. Anthony Fauci gave Friday morning. “You say your White House doctor is telling you something different. Who should Americans listen to?”
“I think they have to listen to their doctors, and I think they shouldn’t be jumping to get the test unless it’s necessary,” Trump replied, and appeared to argue that a contributing factor to his own low risk was that “I haven’t seen the picture. Somebody said there’s a picture with somebody taking a picture with me, but I haven’t seen it. ”
“Well, doctors have said you might have it even if you don’t have symptoms,” Jiang explained, then asked “Are you being selfish by not getting tested and potentially exposing…”
Trump then began an evolution that would last several seconds, first noting “Well, I didn’t say I wasn’t going to be tested.”
“Are you going to be?” Jiang asked.
“Most likely, yeah. Most likely,” Trump replied
“When do you think that will happen?” Jiang asked, as Trump noted “Not for that reason, but because I think I will do it anyway,” then said “Fairly soon.”
“Will you let us know the results?” Jiang asked.
“We’re working on that. We’re working out a schedule,” Trump said.
On March 14 2020 14:15 Nevuk wrote: Per politico reporter. White House put out a press release saying Trump's doctor said that Trump doesn't need to be tested or quarantined because he's low risk. Keep in mind, many of the people he's met with have tested positive, and the mayor of Miami just tested positive and met with many of the same people.
Well Trudeau's wife tested positive, and Justin Trudeau hasn't been tested either because he isn't showing symptoms. There's apparently no point in testing prior to the display of symptoms, as the viral load may not be high enough to show up in testing. It's better to save the tests for those that have a good chance of being infected.
Unless he's on some serious cough suppressants though I think he's probably ok for now. Idiotic as always but probably ok, his speech didn't seem anywhere near as desperate as that Iranian minister a few weeks back.
Yeah I really liked how Trudeau (supposedly) chose not to be tested so that other people who need the test can have it.
It makes for a great soundbite but is just general medical practice. When the amount of tests you can do are limit there is no point in 'wasting' it on someone who is being isolated anyway.
Medical guidelines currently say that if you have direct contact with someone that was tested positive, you should get tested.
That's actually why so many people get refused for tests, because they didn't have direct contact.
On March 14 2020 14:15 Nevuk wrote: Per politico reporter. White House put out a press release saying Trump's doctor said that Trump doesn't need to be tested or quarantined because he's low risk. Keep in mind, many of the people he's met with have tested positive, and the mayor of Miami just tested positive and met with many of the same people.
Well Trudeau's wife tested positive, and Justin Trudeau hasn't been tested either because he isn't showing symptoms. There's apparently no point in testing prior to the display of symptoms, as the viral load may not be high enough to show up in testing. It's better to save the tests for those that have a good chance of being infected.
Unless he's on some serious cough suppressants though I think he's probably ok for now. Idiotic as always but probably ok, his speech didn't seem anywhere near as desperate as that Iranian minister a few weeks back.
Yeah I really liked how Trudeau (supposedly) chose not to be tested so that other people who need the test can have it.
It makes for a great soundbite but is just general medical practice. When the amount of tests you can do are limit there is no point in 'wasting' it on someone who is being isolated anyway.
Medical guidelines currently say that if you have direct contact with someone that was tested positive, you should get tested.
That's actually why so many people get refused for tests, because they didn't have direct contact.
If you were in direct contact with someone who tested positive and your not isolate, then yes getting tested makes a lot of sense (like Trump) but Trudeau is already in isolation. So getting tested has no real additional value, regardless of the result he is going to be in isolation and waiting for possible symptoms.
Don't worry guys, it's all Obama's fault that the US was late on tests ! Nothing to do with refusing the WHO tests ! I'm not taking responsibility for anything as I said during the previous interview ! The nerves on this guy...
It shouldn't be surprising in light of what he's already said. In terms of leadership virtues, we've gone from "The buck stops here" to "I don't take responsibility at all" and blaming his predecessor for everything.
We need to close all but essential business in the US immediately.
We are just kicking the can down the road and its only going to make things worse. Well have to do it anyway in the next 2 to 3 weeks except with a significantly higher number of sick people.
Its so fucking maddening. We know people can have mild symptoms or be asymptomatic. The numbers we are reporting are meaningless if everyone cannot be tested. I cannot believe how bad our government fucked this up.
Even if you wanted to be political about it, by delaying shutting things down its putting us behind countries that have already implemented these measures. China is way ahead of the curve. Do they not think this will harm the US standing in the global economy? China will be up and running and well just be starting to close things. Its fucking ridiculous.
On March 15 2020 12:55 Sadist wrote: We need to close all but essential business in the US immediately.
We are just kicking the can down the road and its only going to make things worse. Well have to do it anyway in the next 2 to 3 weeks except with a significantly higher number of sick people.
Its so fucking maddening. We know people can have mild symptoms or be asymptomatic. The numbers we are reporting are meaningless if everyone cannot be tested. I cannot believe how bad our government fucked this up.
Even if you wanted to be political about it, by delaying shutting things down its putting us behind countries that have already implemented these measures. China is way ahead of the curve. Do they not think this will harm the US standing in the global economy? China will be up and running and well just be starting to close things. Its fucking ridiculous.
Agreed on all points. Things like this require a federal response. While I am resting easy knowing that the debate as to whether a significant government response is necessary (rather than shitty deals with private companies) will be settled, conclusively, in due time, I don't like knowing what that evidence will look like. This will be bad. We have every reason to think we are headed to a worse situation than Italy. There is not a single metric that implies we will be less crippled than Italy. Yet here we are, and all we can do is wait.
There's something to be said for NOT following along with China in basically declaring martial law in response to a crisis. It may have helped to stem the crisis (and frankly, I'm not convinced - their numbers seem quite fictional and we don't know if it'll come surging back in short order), but when going that far the cure is likely worse than the disease. Closing the borders is one thing, but it's troubling how much support there is for a "do exactly what China did" approach to this crisis. Those scorched earth solutions don't exactly have the best track record, historically.
On March 15 2020 13:30 LegalLord wrote: There's something to be said for NOT following along with China in basically declaring martial law in response to a crisis. It may have helped to stem the crisis (and frankly, I'm not convinced - their numbers seem quite fictional and we don't know if it'll come surging back in short order), but when going that far the cure is likely worse than the disease. Closing the borders is one thing, but it's troubling how much support there is for a "do exactly what China did" approach to this crisis. Those scorched earth solutions don't exactly have the best track record, historically.
I dont know if scorched earth is the answer and I think it would get ugly quick if we pulled people out of their homes but sitting idly is only going to prolong things. At a bare minimum we should be following europes lead with the shut downs.
On March 15 2020 13:30 LegalLord wrote: There's something to be said for NOT following along with China in basically declaring martial law in response to a crisis. It may have helped to stem the crisis (and frankly, I'm not convinced - their numbers seem quite fictional and we don't know if it'll come surging back in short order), but when going that far the cure is likely worse than the disease. Closing the borders is one thing, but it's troubling how much support there is for a "do exactly what China did" approach to this crisis. Those scorched earth solutions don't exactly have the best track record, historically.
I dont know if scorched earth is the answer and I think it would get ugly quick if we pulled people out of their homes but sitting idly is only going to prolong things. At a bare minimum we should be following europes lead with the shut downs.
Might vary on a state level, but it certainly feels like we're getting there very rapidly. Over the last couple of days, where I live pretty much all large gatherings and events have been cancelled. Some are still holding out and merely "taking precautions" (and I don't blame them - in some industries a cancellation is a financial death knell), but every day it seems quieter and quieter in the non-essential world. At this point I'm quite certain that grocery stores are the biggest hotspots for spreading the infection.
On March 15 2020 13:30 LegalLord wrote: There's something to be said for NOT following along with China in basically declaring martial law in response to a crisis. It may have helped to stem the crisis (and frankly, I'm not convinced - their numbers seem quite fictional and we don't know if it'll come surging back in short order), but when going that far the cure is likely worse than the disease. Closing the borders is one thing, but it's troubling how much support there is for a "do exactly what China did" approach to this crisis. Those scorched earth solutions don't exactly have the best track record, historically.
I think people have boners for South Korea, not China.
When is the last time China provided a single valid number, in any context whatsoever?
Does anyone know how this whole mortgage pausing thing works? My understanding is that when you prevent evictions (like Seattle), you basically have to also prevent mortgage payments because otherwise the owners would lose their properties. Which is what Italy did. But would that decision need to be federal? Or will Washington and Oregon likely do the same soon? Right now Oregon is cranking it up pretty quickly, which is relieving, but all the measures being taken will require eviction pauses, which I assume will require mortgage pauses.
On March 15 2020 13:30 LegalLord wrote: There's something to be said for NOT following along with China in basically declaring martial law in response to a crisis. It may have helped to stem the crisis (and frankly, I'm not convinced - their numbers seem quite fictional and we don't know if it'll come surging back in short order), but when going that far the cure is likely worse than the disease. Closing the borders is one thing, but it's troubling how much support there is for a "do exactly what China did" approach to this crisis. Those scorched earth solutions don't exactly have the best track record, historically.
I think people have boners for South Korea, not China.
When is the last time China provided a single valid number, in any context whatsoever?
The mediaverse is clearly focusing in their praise on China and the way that it quickly "contained" the crisis. The unreliable narrator problem often isn't acknowledged as much as it should be, but frankly I'm not sure what evidence we have one way or the other since it's surprisingly easy to hide a massive death toll in a country like that.
If we're talking about countries that handled this the best, I'd put Vietnam and Singapore pretty far up there on the list. South Korea did have the whole "patient 31" crisis, which I'd attribute to bad luck more than any particular form of incompetence, but that still kind of mars the handling of the epidemic.
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