EPTBut its very unlikely that it will be needed,the worst case scenario seems to be off the table for now.
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pmh
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But its very unlikely that it will be needed,the worst case scenario seems to be off the table for now. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46279 Posts
1. In 2018, he fired the entire U.S. Pandemic Response Team (their job was *literally to handle exactly this kind of thing*) and he cut funding to the CDC; 2. He refused to appoint scientists and medical researchers and virologists to relevant positions and departments that require them; 3. He's been loudly disagreeing with the WHO and CDC's professional assessment of the situation (i.e., he's been trivializing their expertise, perpetuating a distrust of scientific and medical research); 4. He passed the coronavirus planning off to Mike Pence as a pet project. (Also, keep in mind that one of Trump's many failed business ventures (read as: scams) was a pyramid scheme for fake healthcare supplements; that's not particularly reassuring, either.) I'm not saying that he should have been an alarmist over COVID-19, per se, but it was his responsibility to get ahead of this issue, and he clearly didn't. My question is: With the American public in chaos, schools and businesses shutting down indefinitely, and the stock market explicitly crashing, is it likely that these will have any effect on Trump's electability when November rolls around? Or will his supporters not care and/or find a way to blame this only on China, Obama, Democrats, and Fake News? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24256 Posts
On March 12 2020 20:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Donald Trump has explicitly been contributing to the panic and spread of COVID-19; he's one of the many reasons why this health scare hasn't been under control: 1. In 2018, he fired the entire U.S. Pandemic Response Team (their job was *literally to handle exactly this kind of thing*) and he cut funding to the CDC; 2. He refused to appoint scientists and medical researchers and virologists to relevant positions and departments that require them; 3. He's been loudly disagreeing with the WHO and CDC's professional assessment of the situation (i.e., he's been trivializing their expertise, perpetuating a distrust of scientific and medical research); 4. He passed the coronavirus planning off to Mike Pence as a pet project. (Also, keep in mind that one of Trump's many failed business ventures (read as: scams) was a pyramid scheme for fake healthcare supplements; that's not particularly reassuring, either.) I'm not saying that he should have been an alarmist over COVID-19, per se, but it was his responsibility to get ahead of this issue, and he clearly didn't. My question is: With the American public in chaos, schools and businesses shutting down indefinitely, and the stock market explicitly crashing, is it likely that these will have any effect on Trump's electability when November rolls around? Or will his supporters not care and/or find a way to blame this only on China, Obama, Democrats, and Fake News? I suspect it'll be like Bush and Katrina/Iraq. Without the eventual "redemption" narrative hopefully. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28876 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24256 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
So far it seems there is not actually a travel ban on europe but a travel ban on Schengen-zone countries only for some reason (why? because UK and Ireland have Trump golf courses?) , and all US citizens and permanent residents are exempt from the ban, which is kind of critical information. Trump also said it included a ban on goods but it does not. | ||
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Introvert
United States5021 Posts
Don't have time for all of that, but as an example, Trump has not cut CDC funding. Every spending bill he has signed has increased their budget, and not by small amounts. Yet this is still something going around. Whoever you are reading, you should stop. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46279 Posts
On March 12 2020 20:27 farvacola wrote: This will absolutely have a profound impact on the election and I expect Trump's odds of reelection lessen by the day. This is really only just getting started. I'm not sure if we'll be able to quantify how profound it will be (perhaps based on how many votes he gets compared to 2016?) but I'm a little skeptical (cynical?) that anything will turn his supporters away. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On March 12 2020 22:10 GreenHorizons wrote: I'd just caution people to remember what Neb said about ideologies to the right of liberalism. Just as clearly some see an epic chain of failures from the Trump administration, others see foreigners bringing a plague spread by liberal cities and incompetent dems as an effort to tank Trump's perfect economy (which doesn't have to be based in reality or fact to be appealing to them). This is a good point, just take a look at this video of a fox host claiming the 'corona impeachment scam' by the democrats who don't care about the destruction they leave in their wake, like...losses in the stock market. Absolute North Korea levels of propaganda. This could straight up be a sketch video from a Red Alert game. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46279 Posts
On March 12 2020 22:22 Introvert wrote: Don't have time for all of that, but as an example, Trump has not cut CDC funding. Every spending bill he has signed has increased their budget, and not by small amounts. Yet this is still something going around. Whoever you are reading, you should stop. In 2018, the CDC funds were not replenished; right this second, he's planning on continuing CDC budget cuts for next year. Nearly every news source has been talking about this over the past 1-2 weeks. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On March 12 2020 22:32 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This is a good point, just take a look at this video of a fox host claiming the 'corona impeachment scam' by the democrats who don't care about the destruction they leave in their wake, like...losses in the stock market. Absolute North Korea levels of propaganda. This could straight up be a sketch video from a Red Alert game. https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1237216338936029184 Well, to be honest she said that the democrats were trying to blame something created "halfway around the world" on the president just to smear him - she didn't say that the virus wasn't real (that would have been NK level of propaganda). Yes, that looks a lot like a video from Red Alert. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11952 Posts
On March 12 2020 22:56 Elroi wrote: Well, to be honest she said that the democrats were trying to blame something created "halfway around the world" on the president just to smear him - she didn't say that the virus wasn't real (that would have been NK level of propaganda). Yes, that looks a lot like a video from Red Alert. I always find it interesting when something from the real world is so close to a satiric fiction. I had the same experience at Manchester airport (Btw the worst airport i have ever been at. Never go there if you can avoid it), where they constantly had these loudspeaker announcements which sounded exactly like something from a dystopian future movie. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27269 Posts
On March 12 2020 22:56 Elroi wrote: Well, to be honest she said that the democrats were trying to blame something created "halfway around the world" on the president just to smear him - she didn't say that the virus wasn't real (that would have been NK level of propaganda). Yes, that looks a lot like a video from Red Alert. It is a misleading headline but her take is only slightly less shit than it. The Dems comments that I read were all in the vein of his response is bad, dismantling the organisations that would have dealt with this was even without hindsight a terrible idea etc. The Dems, hell even the Republicans are supposed to criticise Presidential administrations if they fuck up, if the attacks are inaccurate then the media should correct where applicable, not cheerlead and deflect with such errant nonsense. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 12 2020 22:01 NewSunshine wrote: I think it cannot be overstated how much of an impact it is having that Trump's biggest accomplishment as president so far is firing anyone working in an agency that isn't directly in the business of blowing smoke up his ass. The Coronavirus has been an unexpected emergency, but that's what various institutions were supposed to be set up to help with, and now we have nothing. No response, and no coordination to deal with any of this in an effective manner. It has been every bit the shambles it was shaping up to be. Is it really though? It's been known about since Decemberish, right? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On March 12 2020 23:16 Gahlo wrote: Is it really though? It's been known about since Decemberish, right? I think NewSunshine means in how quickly it spread across the globe? I could be wrong but that's how I read it. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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GreenHorizons
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