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Snorkels
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1015 Posts
March 12 2020 19:28 GMT
#43501
On March 13 2020 03:18 Mohdoo wrote:
Some people saying beer aids may have a resurgence when it is cold. It is cold during November, when people vote. It may be entirely justified for Trump to cancel the election. Chilling.

Well I kinda hate this thought. That time period is beyond the accurate prediction range for this current event though.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24385 Posts
March 12 2020 19:28 GMT
#43502
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 12 2020 19:31 GMT
#43503
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Show nested quote +
Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com


Perhaps among the most outrageous things I've seen of this so far.

Get. Money. Out. Of. Politics.

Public funding for EVERY election.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-12 20:04:52
March 12 2020 19:31 GMT
#43504
Here is a full blown statistical analysis on containment, propagation and mitigation. I won't really go into detail in the description, just have a look, it's a good read :

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca




edit : woops, with the discussion ongoing, I thought I was in the Coronavirus thread. I'll post that there.
NoiR
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
March 12 2020 19:32 GMT
#43505
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Show nested quote +
Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com


Scum. Fucking. Baggery.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
March 12 2020 19:39 GMT
#43506
Who cares what damage you'll cause in the long term, gotta keep those doors open and make a few extra bucks right now!

No concept of consequences for their actions. Disgusting.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
March 12 2020 19:40 GMT
#43507
Those are literally just guaranteed infection places. Queues in Disneyland are commonly 1h or longer, if you stand next to an infected person you're essentially guaranteed to catch it. Same for a 2h movie or the grannies that spend literal hours in front of the same slot machine.

Good luck.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24385 Posts
March 12 2020 19:41 GMT
#43508
Funny we banned people coming in from Europe huh? Y'all better hurry up and return the favor
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
March 12 2020 19:52 GMT
#43509
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Show nested quote +
Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com

Are you kidding me?

From what I hear, kids aren't really coming down with this but they are EXTREMELY capable of carrying and transmitting the disease to other people. The guy on Rogan's podcast recently called them "germ reactors"

Bearing that in mind, isn't an amusement park among the first places that we close?
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-12 19:52:58
March 12 2020 19:52 GMT
#43510
On March 13 2020 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
Funny we banned people coming in from Europe huh? Y'all better hurry up and return the favor

Trump’s move to ban European travel helps Europe way more than it does the US. If I were an EU country I wouldn’t let Americans in for quite some time.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
March 12 2020 20:04 GMT
#43511
On March 13 2020 04:31 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com


Perhaps among the most outrageous things I've seen of this so far.

Get. Money. Out. Of. Politics.

Public funding for EVERY election.


Not sure how much of an effect getting money out of politics would have on this. Disneyland employs literally thousands of people on hourly wages, all of whom would be affected. I get the concern on the health side, but i wouldn't be so quick to blame profits for this.
I am, therefore I pee
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
March 12 2020 20:08 GMT
#43512
On March 13 2020 05:04 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2020 04:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com


Perhaps among the most outrageous things I've seen of this so far.

Get. Money. Out. Of. Politics.

Public funding for EVERY election.


Not sure how much of an effect getting money out of politics would have on this. Disneyland employs literally thousands of people on hourly wages, all of whom would be affected. I get the concern on the health side, but i wouldn't be so quick to blame profits for this.


Don't blame profits for the company profiting off not giving their employees adequate working conditions?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-12 20:16:10
March 12 2020 20:14 GMT
#43513
My Governor just put the whammy on me entire county.

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/gov-wolf-sec-of-health-outline-covid-19-mitigation-guidance-for-montgomery-county-commonwealth-of-pennsylvania/

I'm curious how long it will take before the DNC tries to delay primaries, given that the demographics most resilient/at risk to the virus plays right into Bernie's favor.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
March 12 2020 20:28 GMT
#43514
On March 13 2020 05:08 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2020 05:04 Trainrunnef wrote:
On March 13 2020 04:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com


Perhaps among the most outrageous things I've seen of this so far.

Get. Money. Out. Of. Politics.

Public funding for EVERY election.


Not sure how much of an effect getting money out of politics would have on this. Disneyland employs literally thousands of people on hourly wages, all of whom would be affected. I get the concern on the health side, but i wouldn't be so quick to blame profits for this.


Don't blame profits for the company profiting off not giving their employees adequate working conditions?


By this do you mean that Disney should pay their employees to stay home? would you care to elaborate?
I am, therefore I pee
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22661 Posts
March 12 2020 20:31 GMT
#43515
On March 13 2020 05:28 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2020 05:08 Logo wrote:
On March 13 2020 05:04 Trainrunnef wrote:
On March 13 2020 04:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com


Perhaps among the most outrageous things I've seen of this so far.

Get. Money. Out. Of. Politics.

Public funding for EVERY election.


Not sure how much of an effect getting money out of politics would have on this. Disneyland employs literally thousands of people on hourly wages, all of whom would be affected. I get the concern on the health side, but i wouldn't be so quick to blame profits for this.


Don't blame profits for the company profiting off not giving their employees adequate working conditions?


By this do you mean that Disney should pay their employees to stay home? would you care to elaborate?
If they payed their employees more those employees would be financially healthy enough to be able to afford not working for a month, instead of living from paycheck to paycheck.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 12 2020 20:38 GMT
#43516
And now Disney closed it themselves

????????

Probably a flood of "WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU FUCK HEADS"
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-12 20:48:20
March 12 2020 20:46 GMT
#43517
On March 13 2020 05:31 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2020 05:28 Trainrunnef wrote:
On March 13 2020 05:08 Logo wrote:
On March 13 2020 05:04 Trainrunnef wrote:
On March 13 2020 04:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 13 2020 04:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
Disneyland is staying open as of now. Gov. Gavin Newsom said that large theme parks, theaters, and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of more than 250 people.

Disneyland and other large theme parks will not required to comply with California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s order against large gatherings to counter the spread of COVID-19.

Newsom said California public health officials issued an updated policy saying “non-essential” gatherings such as sporting events, concerts and conferences should be postponed or canceled until at least the end of March.

At a news conference Thursday, Gavin said Disneyland and other large theme parks, theaters and casinos are exempted from his order against gatherings of 250 people or more due to coronavirus due to the “complexity of their unique circumstances”, but discussions remain ongoing.

Newsom said he spoke Wednesday with Disney’s executive chairman, Bob Iger, on the subject.


losangeles.cbslocal.com


Perhaps among the most outrageous things I've seen of this so far.

Get. Money. Out. Of. Politics.

Public funding for EVERY election.


Not sure how much of an effect getting money out of politics would have on this. Disneyland employs literally thousands of people on hourly wages, all of whom would be affected. I get the concern on the health side, but i wouldn't be so quick to blame profits for this.


Don't blame profits for the company profiting off not giving their employees adequate working conditions?


By this do you mean that Disney should pay their employees to stay home? would you care to elaborate?
If they payed their employees more those employees would be financially healthy enough to be able to afford not working for a month, instead of living from paycheck to paycheck.


Yes, that and also pay them for staying home.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 12 2020 20:47 GMT
#43518
I fully expect my shitty company to stay open. Even without a condition like this they've tried to keep stores open with just 2 people working there.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24385 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-12 20:50:08
March 12 2020 20:49 GMT
#43519
On March 13 2020 05:47 Gahlo wrote:
I fully expect my shitty company to stay open. Even without a condition like this they've tried to keep stores open with just 2 people working there.


I think mass work stoppage and refusing to go back to work without major concessions from the capitalist class to protect us from this happening again is the smart play. Healthcare, PTO, UBI, etc...
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 12 2020 21:13 GMT
#43520
On March 13 2020 03:41 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2020 02:24 Artisreal wrote:
On March 13 2020 02:00 Introvert wrote:
On March 12 2020 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 12 2020 22:22 Introvert wrote:
Don't have time for all of that, but as an example, Trump has not cut CDC funding. Every spending bill he has signed has increased their budget, and not by small amounts. Yet this is still something going around. Whoever you are reading, you should stop.


In 2018, the CDC funds were not replenished; right this second, he's planning on continuing CDC budget cuts for next year. Nearly every news source has been talking about this over the past 1-2 weeks.


No, a particular fund was not replenished, if I recall it was mainly for Zika or something like that (memory is more foggy here). Not the whole agency. Moreover, as I said, what Congress has actually done, as opposed to the president's budget, is increase spending by, according to my memory, about 8%.


Why dont we let the CDC speak here instead?

FY 2018:
click here for source wrote:
The fiscal year (FY) 2018 President’s Budget request for CDC and ATSDR includes a total funding level of $6,037,243,000 in discretionary budget authority and the Prevention and Public Health Fund (PPHF). This is an overall decrease of $1,222,431,000 below the FY 2017 Annualized Continuing Resolution (CR) level, which is a 17% reduction. The funding amounts and programmatic approaches described below are changes compared to the FY 2017 Annualized CR level.


According to another document, the final 2018 budget was $6,824 + $801 million.

FY 2019:
click here for source wrote:
The fiscal year (FY) 2019 budget request for CDC and ATSDR includes a total funding level of $5,722,755,000 in discretionary budget authority and PHS Evaluation Funds. This is $1,372,185,000 below the FY 2018 Annualized Continuing Resolution (CR) level. The FY 2019 budget request maintains a number of programmatic reductions and eliminations proposed in the FY 2018 President’s Budget.


According to another document, the final 2019 budget was $6,478 + $805 million.

FY 2020:
click here for source wrote:
Total program funding request for CDC is $6.594billion. Compared to FY 2019, CDC’s budget reflects: $1.276 billion decrease in Budget Authority


Apparently this concept is more difficult to understand than I thought. What is requested is not what is allocated.

The president's excellent head of OMB has requested a cut to many departments. Those cuts have not and will never happen, because congress gives out the cash, not the president.

I will find the CBO report later if you really need convincing, but the last spending bill substantially increases the CDC's budget. We're talking what actually happens, not what the President asks for.

Am I misreading the PDF I linked twice? It contains factual numbers that aren't labeled as pres requested, which per source also linked, was way lower.

I might not understand.
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