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franzji
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iPlaY.NettleS
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How bizarre.Ukraine pops up again | ||
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Mohdoo
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On January 08 2020 13:13 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: A Ukrainian airline 737 just crashed while taking off in Tehran. How bizarre.Ukraine pops up again This is insane Looks like Iran accidentally shot it down. Holy shit | ||
BigFan
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On January 08 2020 13:45 Mohdoo wrote: This is insane Looks like Iran accidentally shot it down. Holy shit Do you have a source for this or are you just trying to spread baseless rumours for the sake of it? The plane had technical problems and unfortunately crashed. There hasn't been much information on survivors so far. It also left early morning which would've meant it likely left after the missiles were fired so the idea that Iran shot down it's own plane is outlandish unless there's some proof of this. Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-08/boeing-737-carrying-180-people-crashes-in-iran-state-media-says | ||
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Lmui
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1214757061650722821 It's on fire and has pieces coming off. Iran's going to try and do the same as usa did when they shot down an airliner. Bunch of unlucky souls onboarding that plane, there wasnt anything they could do other than not be there. Edit: link where I found the video https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/boeing-737-crashes-in-iran-after-take-off-20200108 | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2020 13:52 BigFan wrote: Do you have a source for this or are you just trying to spread baseless rumours for the sake of it? The plane had technical problems and unfortunately crashed. There hasn't been much information on survivors so far. It also left early morning which would've meant it likely left after the missiles were fired so the idea that Iran shot down it's own plane is outlandish unless there's some proof of this. Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-08/boeing-737-carrying-180-people-crashes-in-iran-state-media-says I mean this entire thing happened in like 3 hours, not a ton of ultra confirmed stuff as it initially happens. From Reddit: Al Hadath stating that the Ukrainian aircraft was shot down accidentally by Iranian air defense systems. Edit: There’s a video being spread around that allegedly shows the plane on fire falling towards the ground https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1214756252749877250?s=21 If the video circling around is indeed the plane crashing, it's definitely at least on fire on it's way down | ||
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BigFan
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On January 08 2020 13:58 Mohdoo wrote: I mean this entire thing happened in like 3 hours, not a ton of ultra confirmed stuff as it initially happens. From Reddit: If the video circling around is indeed the plane crashing, it's definitely at least on fire on it's way down I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying here so I'll try again. The plane left the airport hours after the missiles were fired, not minutes and supposedly stopped sending data right away too. Here's another link that has more information as well as a snippet for you: "Flight data from the airport showed a Ukrainian 737-800 flown by Ukraine International Airlines took off Wednesday morning, then stopped sending data almost immediately afterward, according to website FlightRadar24. The airline did not immediately respond to a request for comment." "The crash came hours after Iran launched a ballistic missile attack targeting two bases in Iraq housing U.S. forces in retaliation for the killing of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani." Source: https://time.com/5761103/ukraine-plane-crash-iran/ In other words, the suggestion that Iran shot down its own plane is absurd due to the known facts so far. Why the plane is on fire and whether that's the actual video is beyond me, but the timeline doesn't match with what you originally posted so I had to point it out. | ||
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JimmiC
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Belisarius
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My money would be on being shot down by overzealous air defence, especially if the BBC correspondent's video is real. EDIT: it leaving after the missiles were fired does not preclude this. Nobody is suggesting it literally ran into one of the outbound missiles. It could easily have been misidentified by one of the hundreds of installations anticipating a US response. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
Initial photos from the crash site. It's super spread out, and doesnt look too similar to the cratering holes or long debris trails with planes that hit at steep vertical angles so to my layman eyes, it doesnt look like it hit the ground in one piece. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2020 14:09 BigFan wrote: I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying here so I'll try again. The plane left the airport hours after the missiles were fired, not minutes and supposedly stopped sending data right away too. Here's another link that has more information as well as a snippet for you: Source: https://time.com/5761103/ukraine-plane-crash-iran/ In other words, the suggestion that Iran shot down its own plane is absurd due to the known facts so far. Why the plane is on fire and whether that's the actual video is beyond me, but the timeline doesn't match with what you originally posted so I had to point it out. Doesn't need to be shot at the same time. Could be that their stuff was still active and they thought it was a US plane? Or just didn't happen at all. but just saying it doesn't need to be the same time | ||
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Womwomwom
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On January 08 2020 14:09 JimmiC wrote: Best way to sell more missiles is to get more people firing missiles. I think Hannity just proposed selling weapons to people inside Iran who want a regime change. Cue 2030's Hannity assuming we're still alive after catastrophic climate change (see: Australia): "I can't believe Iran is stupid enough to shoot weapons at the United States, I propose handing weapons to people in Iran who want a regime change!" But that doesn't answer the question why anyone is asking advice from Ollie North who arguably helped create both the humanitarian/immigration crisis from South and Central America as well as the current Iran situation. | ||
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BigFan
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On January 08 2020 14:11 Belisarius wrote: Between "an unrelated technical incident caused a catastrophic failure of one of the safest modes of transport we have, during a red-alert military incident" and "the failure was related to the red-alert military incident", I will be going with option B. My money would be on being shot down by overzealous air defence, especially if the BBC correspondent's video is real. EDIT: it leaving after the missiles were fired does not preclude this. Nobody is suggesting it literally ran into one of the outbound missiles. It could easily have been misidentified by one of the hundreds of installations anticipating a US response. Much as I told Mohdoo, yet more speculation as to the cause of the accident. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2020 14:16 BigFan wrote: Much as I told Mohdoo, yet more speculation as to the cause of the accident. Lol what are you saying the alternative is to speculating? It's been an hour. | ||
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Womwomwom
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On January 08 2020 14:18 Mohdoo wrote: Lol what are you saying the alternative is to speculating? It's been an hour. I'd argue not speculating at all so we don't post Twitter feeds from dudes like "DEFCON Intel Spider" or some random dude on Reddit. That's mostly the basis of speculation from everyone. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2020 14:20 Womwomwom wrote: I'd argue not speculating at all so we don't post Twitter feeds from dudes like "DEFCON Intel Spider" or some random dude on Reddit. That's mostly the basis of speculation from everyone. Yeah, fair enough, sorry! | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On January 08 2020 14:16 BigFan wrote: Much as I told Mohdoo, yet more speculation as to the cause of the accident. There is a difference between "we shouldn't speculate" and: On January 08 2020 14:09 BigFan wrote: In other words, the suggestion that Iran shot down its own plane is absurd due to the known facts so far. You went with the latter and are now backtracking to the former. The plane being lost due to mistaken military action is not absurd in light of the available evidence. It is entirely consistent with the available evidence. Other things could also be, that is fine, but your statement is false. Not sure what defcon intel spider is in reference to. The video purporting to be the falling plane, and the photos of the crash site, both came from a BBC correspondent. He might be passing on information that is wrong but he's about the best you can hope for at this point. | ||
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