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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 09 2020 00:33 Mohdoo wrote: LOL Iran is now saying they won't hand over the black box. Now, I ought to make sure I don't jump to any conclusions here! https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-says-it-will-not-give-black-box-from-crashed-airliner-to-boeing Won't send them to the airline manufacturer or won't send them to anyone? The latter would be news. The former is click bait outrage. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 09 2020 00:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why would Iran have chosen to shoot down a civilian plane when they would deliberately conspire to shoot an empty US base? Seems a bit odd to kill 82 Iranian nationals but leave the American soldiers alive. Most likely it's a case of spiting Boeing, a company with many fingers in the US military pie. Speculating based on scimming this thread, they may have accidentally blown it up and don't want that to be confirmed. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On January 09 2020 00:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Air defence on edge fearing a possible US retaliation takes down an airliner by mistake. Why would Iran have chosen to shoot down a civilian plane when they would deliberately conspire to shoot an empty US base? Seems a bit odd to kill 82 Iranian nationals but leave the American soldiers alive. Most likely it's a case of spiting Boeing, a company with many fingers in the US military pie. Admitting it would be a humiliation and make their own population angry at them. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 09 2020 00:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why would Iran have chosen to shoot down a civilian plane when they would deliberately conspire to shoot an empty US base? Seems a bit odd to kill 82 Iranian nationals but leave the American soldiers alive. Most likely it's a case of spiting Boeing a company with many fingers in the US military pie. If it was shot down it was never by choice...SAM operators were obviously on high alert given reports of US jets in the air, they may have simply fucked up and for some reason failed to identify a civilian plane like the Russian SAM operators in Ukraine did to MH17. It might as well be a unfortunately timed normal plane crash though. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 09 2020 00:57 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Won't send them to the airline manufacturer or won't send them to anyone? The latter would be news. The former is click bait outrage. According to the article, there were 2 airplanes in Iranian airspace during the downing of the airliner. Based on that information, the most probable outcome could have been that anti-air missiles targeting the planes could've hit the airliner, but with so little information it's just groundless speculations. Of course it could just be a technical problem something not unimaginable with boing planes nowadays. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 09 2020 01:03 Gorsameth wrote: Air defence on edge fearing a possible US retaliation takes down an airliner by mistake. Admitting it would be a humiliation and make their own population angry at them. Yeah I mean US planes were in the air super recently after the Iran missiles hit, so it is a mistake that, while unforgivable, appears entirely likely. One thing I am wondering is who the hell was on that plane. Why in the world was a plane cleared for take off so soon after missiles and US military planes were cruising around? Was there some kinda VIP who needed to leave? Seems bizarre that anything was in the air less than 24 hours after this whole incident. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10011 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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KwarK
United States44373 Posts
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franzji
United States583 Posts
On January 09 2020 01:21 schaf wrote: How a civilian aircraft gets the permission to take off in this situation is beyond me. Many middle eastern companies are still flying as we speak and kept flying. I think it's pretty good guess that the flight was shot down on accident by Iran. They just don't know how to use their Russian missiles system, or one person in Iran freaked out. Iran will never release the black box to Boeing or another country. It would be a PR disaster. This will sadly cause many conspiracy theories.. | ||
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KwarK
United States44373 Posts
On January 09 2020 01:44 franzji wrote: Trump's message this morning was very comforting and strong, how anyone can support Iran over the US is just amazing. Possibly because they’re aware of the history and context of the conflict? That’d be my best guess as to why someone might think the US is the bad actor in the region. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On January 09 2020 01:52 KwarK wrote: Possibly because they’re aware of the history and context of the conflict? That’d be my best guess as to why someone might think the US is the bad actor in the region. Without even touching the "good-bad" dynamic, the US shouldn't be there doing things that warrant retaliation in the first place. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Sounds like Iran is likely getting hit with more sanctions and going back to pre-deal economy. I am amazingly relieved to see how all this panned out.....aside from the 737. It is hard to see this whole situation as anything other than a giant win for Trump. Soleimani is dead and that is an amazing thing. If it turns out Iran did accidentally shoot down the 737, it is easy to blame Trump. If this happened from all these missile systems and missile people being on red alert, is is 100% Trump's fault all those civilians died. So while this ended up being a giant military win for Trump, I'd still say this should be considered a point of shame and a giant failure when considering secondary effects, assuming Iran shot down the 737. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12570 Posts
Would have sided with Iran if there was a conflict there obviously. Edit: Xxio said "No retaliation, sanctions remain", and Mohdoo said "more sanctions", do we know which it is? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 09 2020 01:56 Nebuchad wrote: Regardless of anything else I find it amazing that the US isn't at war right now. This slightly changes my opinion of Trump. Would have sided with Iran if there was a conflict there obviously. Edit: Xxio said "No retaliation, sanctions remain", and Mohdoo said "more sanctions", do we know which it is? In the video, Trump calls on Germany, UK, France, China to all go back to previous Iran sanctions. My understanding is that after the Iran deal, those countries got rid of sanctions. If I am correct, that would mean he is saying we'll keep our existing sanctions and push hard for others to increase theirs. | ||
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KwarK
United States44373 Posts
On January 09 2020 01:56 Mohdoo wrote: Just finished watching Trump's statement. Really good statement and super emphasized that he wants zero conflict. Sounds like Iran is likely getting hit with more sanctions and going back to pre-deal economy. I am amazingly relieved to see how all this panned out.....aside from the 737. It is hard to see this whole situation as anything other than a giant win for Trump. Soleimani is dead and that is an amazing thing. If it turns out Iran did accidentally shoot down the 737, it is easy to blame Trump. If this happened from all these missile systems and missile people being on red alert, is is 100% Trump's fault all those civilians died. So while this ended up being a giant military win for Trump, I'd still say this should be considered a point of shame and a giant failure when considering secondary effects, assuming Iran shot down the 737. Did you know who Soleimani was a week ago? I’m surprised the world is so much more amazing for you now than then because when I was unaware of his existence life was still pretty good. I’m surprised to see such an emotional response to learning that someone is dead before you knew who he was. It’s like rejoicing at the news that a bad guy in a tv series you don’t watch is dead. | ||
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