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Gahlo
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KwarK
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Mohdoo
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GreenHorizons
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Mohdoo
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It's one thing for Biden to run. But calling Warren elitist? Get the fuck out, dude. It's a race against time and he's already lost. Biden getting desperate after suffering from the same entitlement Clinton did | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23843 Posts
On November 07 2019 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote: Be nice if our society worked a fraction as hard to rehabilitate people that aren't war criminals, profiteers and their lackeys. Instead Trump will probably be on Ellen in 8 years (provided he lives that long) getting sympathy and laughs. Hopefully he’s dead by then so I don’t have to scream into the ether | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23843 Posts
On November 07 2019 08:58 Mohdoo wrote: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/06/joe-biden-calls-warren-elitist-066637 It's one thing for Biden to run. But calling Warren elitist? Get the fuck out, dude. It's a race against time and he's already lost. Biden getting desperate after suffering from the same entitlement Clinton did I mean it’s dumb as fuck but it might work. In 2019 the ‘knowing things’ and ‘elitist’ tags are basically interchangeable. Been dealing with that bollocks for 5 years of the pre-Brexit referendum and the shitshow that followed. I really doubt it will work, but stranger things have happened. Biden would be absolute toast already if Warren and Bernie weren’t separate candidates IMO | ||
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Gahlo
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Liquid`Drone
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WombaT
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On November 07 2019 09:11 Gahlo wrote: Throwing around the word "Elitest" like that makes you look an awful lot like a Republican. I mean in fairness the left does this a lot too. Only in politics does ‘actually knowing things’ become a stick to beat you with. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23843 Posts
On November 07 2019 09:12 Liquid`Drone wrote: I mean the problem is if Biden brands Warren as elitist in a way that hurts her against Trump.. Trump being able to go 'even the democrats agree warren is a harvard elitist, look what biden said' etc is worse than trump himself saying it. I mean it shouldn’t play out that way but it might. Trump likes to boast of his academic prowess, so to call someone out for being elitist for having better academic prowess should look ridiculous. But probably won’t | ||
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Archeon
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Also as absurd as it is, Trump commonly portraits himself as a man of the masses, so it fits that narrative. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
On November 07 2019 08:58 Mohdoo wrote: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/06/joe-biden-calls-warren-elitist-066637 It's one thing for Biden to run. But calling Warren elitist? Get the fuck out, dude. It's a race against time and he's already lost. Biden getting desperate after suffering from the same entitlement Clinton did Not sure how literally you meant, "He's already lost", but in reality he's holding a steady lead and Warren's been sliding practically all October. Here's the RCP aggregate polling since the beginning. 538 shows a very similar story if not better for Biden. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/HDS7rjj.png) You might want to start entertaining the serious possibilty that Biden is the Democratic nominee because all the hot takes of "Biden's support in the polls is just due to name recognition, he wont last in the debates etc etc," have been proven wrong thus far and we're only 3-4 months away. It's my personal opinion that Biden has the best chance of winning the 2020 election. The recent NYTimes/Siena College battleground state poll supports Biden as the best candidate also.+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/n8N02wy.png) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/trump-biden-warren-polls.html | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Like... I see the arguments that Biden is quite vulnerable, but it's entirely possible the candidate capable of taking advantage of that vulnerability is Sir-or-Mrs-Not-Appearing-In-This-Primary. As for their chances of winning the general... every one of them had better hope this Ukraine thing makes a persistent stink. | ||
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KwarK
United States41988 Posts
On November 07 2019 09:14 Wombat_NI wrote: I mean it shouldn’t play out that way but it might. Trump likes to boast of his academic prowess, so to call someone out for being elitist for having better academic prowess should look ridiculous. But probably won’t Trump absolutely does not brag about his academic achievements (such as going to U Penn, home of the prestigious Wharton MBA program which he did not attend). Trump brags about how his common sense smarts make him more qualified than scientists/generals/economists/diplomats on whatever the subject is. He’s the equivalent of a middle aged man who played football in high school drunkenly shouting at the tv in a sports bar about how dumb the plays are. And that’s his appeal to his core demographic, most of whom are currently drunk nonachievers actively resenting their betters. Trump is a refutation of elitism, the embodiment of the idea that you don’t need to know anything, that if you’re an old white man in this country then, as long as you’re rich enough, there is no limit to what you can achieve. If someone like Trump can become President then there’s hope for all of the deplorables. Hope that one day they can talk down to those smartasses who think they’re better than them just because they went to school and don’t fuck their cousins. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22715 Posts
On November 07 2019 10:21 Aquanim wrote: For Biden to win he either needs to step up his game in the early states or be able to weather the fallout from losing them. I don't think it's obvious that he can do either. That being said, I don't think it's obvious that Sanders or Warren can put together a set of voters large enough to win the primary, or that even if Buttigieg wins Iowa or what have you he can parlay that into further success. Like... I see the arguments that Biden is quite vulnerable, but it's entirely possible the candidate capable of taking advantage of that vulnerability is Sir-or-Mrs-Not-Appearing-In-This-Primary. As for their chances of winning the general... every one of them had better hope this Ukraine thing makes a persistent stink. The Ukraine thing is a distraction at best. Everyone knows Trump is a narcissistic criminal, people either accept it or don't. There's nothing in the Ukraine story that changes that. Banking on that to carry a candidate is a worse plan than spending Trump's first term on Russiagate, which was an awful strategy itself. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On November 07 2019 12:00 KwarK wrote: Trump absolutely does not brag about his academic achievements (such as going to U Penn, home of the prestigious Wharton MBA program which he did not attend). \. He mentions Wharton all the time. videos: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 07 2019 13:06 GreenHorizons wrote: The Ukraine thing is a distraction at best. Everyone knows Trump is a narcissistic criminal, people either accept it or don't. There's nothing in the Ukraine story that changes that. Banking on that to carry a candidate is a worse plan than spending Trump's first term on Russiagate, which was an awful strategy itself. All it has to do is stay in the news, just like the Clinton email drama stayed in the news. I didn't say that anybody's explicit campaign strategy was to hope to get carried by the Ukraine drama. I just think that all of the Democratic candidates are burdened by their own fairly obvious and critical flaws, and unless Ukraine stays in the news none of them should be confident of success. (Even if it does success isn't certain but I expect the odds go up considerably.) | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On November 07 2019 13:06 GreenHorizons wrote: The Ukraine thing is a distraction at best. Everyone knows Trump is a narcissistic criminal, people either accept it or don't. There's nothing in the Ukraine story that changes that. . The impeachment will force the senate to choose sides, not just accept or not. If the republicans acquit him in the senate then you know the GOP is truly dead and only Team Trump remains. It means they choose the presidents personal attorney and his two mobster friends as the preferred way of doing foreign policy. It's basically the bankruptcy of the US democracy. If he doesn't get impeached I wouldn't even be surprised if he gets reelected with some ridiculous obviously phony numbers like most single rulers enjoy. Because all attempts to improve election security have been handily blocked by Mcconnell and hackable voting machines will be used. And the stakes are very high, because Trump will get prosecuted if he becomes a regular citizen again. So he basically cannot not be president anymore | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6218 Posts
Even if Trump loses, it seems increasingly likely that he will just say "Well there were some shady things about that "election", we're looking into them. They'll get to the bottom of it. We'll see what happens." and then proceed as if nothing changed. At that point it's up to the institutions he has spent his whole term tearing down to remove him. I'm not normally in the conspiracy theory camp, but I am seriously concerned the Reichstag has already burned down. | ||
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