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On October 08 2019 23:11 Bagration wrote:
One thing I want to emphasize is that while I’m casting some skepticism on democracy, I’m certainly not suggesting a dictatorship would be a preferable system, as that could lead to centralized tyranny. However, we’ve also seen that democracy has resulted in “rule of the mob”, and subsequent “decentralized tyranny”.
I wonder if given the data collection capabilities today, a society could create a constitution based on achieving certain KPIs (GDP per capita, HDI, health / life expectancy, crime rates), and assign experts to set policy to meet these targets. If they fail to do so (repeatedly), they are replaced. Of course, I know it won’t be a flawless system (as KPIs can be gamed and create perverse incentives), but it could be interesting.
A benevolent monarch has always and will always be the best form of rule. The problem is that 1 shitty one can undo his 5 predecessors good will in an instant. But the good part about it is you can storm his palace and cut his head off and start over in a matter of hours.
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On October 09 2019 00:47 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 00:44 Mohdoo wrote:
This Chinese stuff with Blizzard and the NBA is extremely spooky. I am wildly uncomfortable with it and it needs to boil over. There needs to be a massive response to this. The CCP can NOT be allowed to have this level of influence. For a long time everyone assumed Western capitalism would overwhelm Chinese restrictions on free speech, when it turns out Chinese restrictions on free speech are using capitalism to silence speech everywhere; from the NBA’s bowing and scraping, to this Blizzard BS, to TikTok's censoring of "sensitive" subjects. It’s only going to get worse. Yep. all that matter is the almighty $$ and access to the Chinese market is worth a lot of $$.
What is going to happen? absolutely nothing because the Chinese market is to big and important.
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On October 09 2019 01:12 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:
stuff like this always makes me wonder just how much it will take for skeptics to realize there is a cabal that decides everything that happens, or if they will just never believe it
The flows of capital are what constitute the decision making framework in which these sort of international disputes arise, not some kind of “cabal.” These events make the latter less likely, not more.
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On October 09 2019 01:21 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 01:12 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:
stuff like this always makes me wonder just how much it will take for skeptics to realize there is a cabal that decides everything that happens, or if they will just never believe it The flows of capital are what constitute the decision making framework in which these sort of international disputes arise, not some kind of “cabal.” These events make the latter less likely, not more.
case and point
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That your paranoia obfuscates the material conditions under which the world operates? Yes, set and match indeed.
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On October 09 2019 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 00:47 Neneu wrote:On October 09 2019 00:44 Mohdoo wrote:
This Chinese stuff with Blizzard and the NBA is extremely spooky. I am wildly uncomfortable with it and it needs to boil over. There needs to be a massive response to this. The CCP can NOT be allowed to have this level of influence. For a long time everyone assumed Western capitalism would overwhelm Chinese restrictions on free speech, when it turns out Chinese restrictions on free speech are using capitalism to silence speech everywhere; from the NBA’s bowing and scraping, to this Blizzard BS, to TikTok's censoring of "sensitive" subjects. It’s only going to get worse. Yep. all that matter is the almighty $$ and access to the Chinese market is worth a lot of $$. What is going to happen? absolutely nothing because the Chinese market is to big and important.
Which is sort of funny, considering freedom has long been touted as an integral part of capitalism. However china's way of abusing capitalism to punish freedom of thought and speech have shown the foolishness of such claims.
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On October 09 2019 00:58 Mohdoo wrote:
Huge weakness of capitalism being showcased. The Chinese market is so gigantic that every single company will make the same choice if they are put in the same situation. This needs to be addressed somehow. So long as companies are offered the prospect of more than doubling their revenue, they are going to drool over it and do anything to get it.
The US needs to impose some sort of regulations around something specifically described as "violating human rights by appeasing foreign governments". Make it a new law. Laws are man-made and we are seeing a clear need.
You seem to be surprised. The rest of the world has already suffered this exact kind of thing for the last xx years coming from the US. One cannot ignore what the US does or says as if it imposes sanctions on you, you do not get to trade at all with the rest of the world or barely. All that while the US does not recognize most of the international courts, conveniently enough :-)
Some kind of bully, that thinks itself benevolent but still a bully usually.
The fact that there are now two powers doing that is new, but that's about all.
On October 08 2019 23:18 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 23:08 Biff The Understudy wrote:
So the White House forbade the EU ambassador to testify in the impeachment enquiry. Doesn't look at all like they have stuff to hide. For reference, this particular ambassador is the one whose text messages looked best for Trump-specifically the one who said "no quid pro quo" the day after the administration learned of the whistleblower, and the one who desperately wanted to move the conversation away from texts there would be records of at all costs. The fact that he wasn't allowed to testify is...interesting, and I wonder if it was a consequence of the blanket ban on testimony or they really believe he would be damaging even behind closed doors.
Also the one who said, one week prior to that message, "call me" when asked if the position was now a quid pro quo.
And the answer you quote (made *after* it was known that a whistleblower existed) started by a "as I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to tie aid to an investigation".
A pretty important witness I'd say.
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On October 09 2019 01:26 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:On October 09 2019 00:47 Neneu wrote:On October 09 2019 00:44 Mohdoo wrote:
This Chinese stuff with Blizzard and the NBA is extremely spooky. I am wildly uncomfortable with it and it needs to boil over. There needs to be a massive response to this. The CCP can NOT be allowed to have this level of influence. For a long time everyone assumed Western capitalism would overwhelm Chinese restrictions on free speech, when it turns out Chinese restrictions on free speech are using capitalism to silence speech everywhere; from the NBA’s bowing and scraping, to this Blizzard BS, to TikTok's censoring of "sensitive" subjects. It’s only going to get worse. Yep. all that matter is the almighty $$ and access to the Chinese market is worth a lot of $$. What is going to happen? absolutely nothing because the Chinese market is to big and important. Which is sort of funny, considering freedom has long been touted as an integral part of capitalism. However china's way of abusing capitalism to punish freedom of thought and speech have shown the foolishness of such claims. Capitalism needs the freedom to buy your TV from company A or B based on your preferences. Doesn't need more freedom then that.
Now the thought is that if buyers really cared about freedom of expression they would boycot Blizzard or the NBA but 'we' don't really care about some HS pro from the other side of the world or what a manager tweets so its easier for companies to just keep China happy, because the consumer doesn't force them to make the choice.
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On October 09 2019 01:22 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 01:21 farvacola wrote:On October 09 2019 01:12 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:
stuff like this always makes me wonder just how much it will take for skeptics to realize there is a cabal that decides everything that happens, or if they will just never believe it The flows of capital are what constitute the decision making framework in which these sort of international disputes arise, not some kind of “cabal.” These events make the latter less likely, not more. case and point
i suppose you think there’s a grammarian cabal that dictates “case in point” too. but you won’t be fooled
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What happened with blizzard and china? I have seen the NBA thing but haven't heard anything about blizzard.
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https://www.pcgamer.com/blitzchung-removed-from-hearthstone-grandmasters-for-liberate-hong-kong-comments/
Blizzard has ruled that Hearthstone pro Chung "blitzchung" Ng Wai will been removed from Hearthstone Grandmasters, following the player's call for Hong Kong's freedom during a post-match interview. Additionally, Blizzard has stated that it will no longer work with the two casters who appeared in the now deleted broadcast.
Blitzchung has been found in breach of Section 6.1 of the 2019 Hearthstone Grandmasters Official Competition Rules, which forbids:
Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms.
That's the extent of what I know about it.
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On October 09 2019 02:03 hunts wrote:
What happened with blizzard and china? I have seen the NBA thing but haven't heard anything about blizzard. A Hong Kong Hearthstone player in the Grand Master league expressed his support for the demonstrations in a post game interview.
He has been removed from the league, his prize money taken and banned from competition for a year.
And both the casters on the desk were fired, just to be sure.
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On October 09 2019 01:14 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 23:11 Bagration wrote:
One thing I want to emphasize is that while I’m casting some skepticism on democracy, I’m certainly not suggesting a dictatorship would be a preferable system, as that could lead to centralized tyranny. However, we’ve also seen that democracy has resulted in “rule of the mob”, and subsequent “decentralized tyranny”.
I wonder if given the data collection capabilities today, a society could create a constitution based on achieving certain KPIs (GDP per capita, HDI, health / life expectancy, crime rates), and assign experts to set policy to meet these targets. If they fail to do so (repeatedly), they are replaced. Of course, I know it won’t be a flawless system (as KPIs can be gamed and create perverse incentives), but it could be interesting. A benevolent monarch has always and will always be the best form of rule. The problem is that 1 shitty one can undo his 5 predecessors good will in an instant. But the good part about it is you can storm his palace and cut his head off and start over in a matter of hours.
No it absolutely isn't and never has been.
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On October 09 2019 02:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:https://www.pcgamer.com/blitzchung-removed-from-hearthstone-grandmasters-for-liberate-hong-kong-comments/Show nested quote +
Blizzard has ruled that Hearthstone pro Chung "blitzchung" Ng Wai will been removed from Hearthstone Grandmasters, following the player's call for Hong Kong's freedom during a post-match interview. Additionally, Blizzard has stated that it will no longer work with the two casters who appeared in the now deleted broadcast.
Blitzchung has been found in breach of Section 6.1 of the 2019 Hearthstone Grandmasters Official Competition Rules, which forbids:
Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms.
That's the extent of what I know about it.
Well I won't buy their games anymore, this is beyond outrageous.
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I hope Blizzard is ready to reap the PR whirlwind on this. If they don't already have every official hearthstone (and any other property) stream on subscriber only chat, they will have to now.
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Well r/blizzard is currently in private mode. Suppose that is an indication of a pretty heavy shitstorm. Perfect timing as well considering the south park episode.
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On October 09 2019 01:14 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 23:11 Bagration wrote:
One thing I want to emphasize is that while I’m casting some skepticism on democracy, I’m certainly not suggesting a dictatorship would be a preferable system, as that could lead to centralized tyranny. However, we’ve also seen that democracy has resulted in “rule of the mob”, and subsequent “decentralized tyranny”.
I wonder if given the data collection capabilities today, a society could create a constitution based on achieving certain KPIs (GDP per capita, HDI, health / life expectancy, crime rates), and assign experts to set policy to meet these targets. If they fail to do so (repeatedly), they are replaced. Of course, I know it won’t be a flawless system (as KPIs can be gamed and create perverse incentives), but it could be interesting. A benevolent monarch has always and will always be the best form of rule. The problem is that 1 shitty one can undo his 5 predecessors good will in an instant. But the good part about it is you can storm his palace and cut his head off and start over in a matter of hours.
The best form of rule would be my dictatorship over you unwashed peasants
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To bring this a bit back on topic of US politics, what is the chance Trump jumps on this to appeal to gamers by saying he is trying to fight China?
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On October 09 2019 02:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 02:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:https://www.pcgamer.com/blitzchung-removed-from-hearthstone-grandmasters-for-liberate-hong-kong-comments/
Blizzard has ruled that Hearthstone pro Chung "blitzchung" Ng Wai will been removed from Hearthstone Grandmasters, following the player's call for Hong Kong's freedom during a post-match interview. Additionally, Blizzard has stated that it will no longer work with the two casters who appeared in the now deleted broadcast.
Blitzchung has been found in breach of Section 6.1 of the 2019 Hearthstone Grandmasters Official Competition Rules, which forbids:
Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms.
That's the extent of what I know about it. Well I won't buy their games anymore, this is beyond outrageous.
Same. Uninstalling Bnet client when I get home tonight.
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On October 09 2019 01:29 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2019 00:58 Mohdoo wrote:
Huge weakness of capitalism being showcased. The Chinese market is so gigantic that every single company will make the same choice if they are put in the same situation. This needs to be addressed somehow. So long as companies are offered the prospect of more than doubling their revenue, they are going to drool over it and do anything to get it.
The US needs to impose some sort of regulations around something specifically described as "violating human rights by appeasing foreign governments". Make it a new law. Laws are man-made and we are seeing a clear need. You seem to be surprised. The rest of the world has already suffered this exact kind of thing for the last xx years coming from the US. One cannot ignore what the US does or says as if it imposes sanctions on you, you do not get to trade at all with the rest of the world or barely. All that while the US does not recognize most of the international courts, conveniently enough :-) Some kind of bully, that thinks itself benevolent but still a bully usually. The fact that there are now two powers doing that is new, but that's about all.
This is quite the leap. When has someone been ejected from a tournament for opposing the war in Iraq? The idea that the US is deeply involved in other people's business is a huge leap from "speaking against US atrocities literally ends your career". There is no comparison to be made between mentioning Hong Kong and the ways the US imposes itself. There are varying degrees of intervention. What China is demanding is complete and total submission for even minor disagreements. This is a different level of what you are right to say are the same thing. But we can appreciate the differences and don't need to label them as the same.
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