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On April 28 2018 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 21:27 a_flayer wrote:
Likewise, nothing has driven me further towards conservatism than the interactions I've had with SJWs like you. Doesn’t seem you need my help, but I love you too flayer.
Dude, it's still quite vivid in my memory how you once attacked me for saying something along the lines of "women are probably just more likely to prefer jobs other than being a code monkey, possibly due to some biology/chemicals along with societal expectations" when you somehow took what I said as a suggestion that women would be worse at coding.
Or those other SJWs who were suggesting that the Norwegian guy who had drunken sex with his wife was raping her.
It's fucking ridiculous at times, and it certainly makes me want to disassociate from the group of people who align themselves behind that kind of thinking.
On April 28 2018 23:25 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2018 23:18 zlefin wrote:On April 28 2018 23:09 Schmobutzen wrote:
Hitting rock-bottom sounds so innocuous, and theoretically there is some merit to it, but in reality reaching that far down is mostly devastating on nearly all levels. I don't think that anybody sane could wish such a thing. Surely, it would change some things, and level a lot more, but the cost entailing that is just too gruesome.
I can only hope that nobody really wishes that. many people DO say they wish that; it's becuase they have no idea what rock-bottom actually looks like; some people think they're there (rock-bottom) already in america; I read quite a few excerpts from trump voters saying that; they felt they had nothing left to lose so might as well try something irregular. North Korea isn't at rock bottom yet. Germany at the end of WW2 was close to it but was helped up again, having an educated population helps a lot as well. Somewhere like Somalia isn't even at rock bottom. I don't even know what that looks like. Mad Max might be approaching it a bit?
Here's an example of what rock bottom looks like in a large scale conflict between conservative religious rural folks and established secular liberal elite in cities:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1741534/images/o-SYRIA-DESTRUCTION-ALEPPO-OLD-CITY-facebook.jpg
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I'm not sure how familiar with addiction you guys are but "rock bottom" isn't an objective worst possible case, it's just a subjective place where one refuses to go any further.
In the case of addiction, some people's "rock bottom' is losing their job and wife, others isn't until they're trying to sell their third and only remaining child into prostitution to pay back a dealer they stole from to make a payment on their gambling debts with the mob who they forgot to pay on time because they were in the emergency room getting brought back to life with an epi pen after od'ing.
Where the US citizens rock bottom is, is anyone's guess since we've found out Trump isn't it.
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It approaches Godwin's Law, but I've learned not to take anyone who uses 'SJW' seriously... well, seriously.
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Please do give me the iamthedave-approved jargon to describe people who call both sides of a drunken couple that have drunken sex both rapists and rape victims at the same time so I can feel like you take me seriously.
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a_flayer, it appears you are confusing Biff with Kwark, at least if you talk about the conversation taking place somewhere around here.
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No, I'm not. Biff claimed I was being sexist in that discussion about the Google firing of that 'alt-righter'. Kwark and Plansix were bitching about rape. These are two separate events. The latter bothers me more than the first, so I'm continuing on about it. But I had to use the first because it was Biff who was using a certain kind of argument that I felt I could copy and throw back at him if I referred to the particular event where he was involved.
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Ah sorry I overread that you said "those other SJWs" my bad.
[EDIT]: But it is kind of notable that Biff took an opposing stance to "those other SJWs", this kind of puts the coherence of the label into question, no?
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Yeah, and not all Hillary supporters are corporate tools and warmongers. What's your point?
I use the term SJW and then give a more detailed description of the kind of thing that I dislike. People don't have to adhere to absolutely everything that is related to the meaning of that phrase in order for me to use it.
Hell, you can probably call me "SJW" for being supportive of BLM. Doesn't mean I have mindbogglingly stupid views on gender or sex.
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In that specific discussion there was the added layer of Biff getting at Kwark's throat when they were saying virtually the same thing in terms of content, those were good times.
Btw if you're wondering what SJW means it means "people on my left that I want you to view derisively/negatively". It's a worthless term.
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On April 29 2018 01:15 Nebuchad wrote:
In that specific discussion there was the added layer of Biff getting at Kwark's throat when they were saying virtually the same thing in terms of content, those were good times.
Btw if you're wondering what SJW means it means "people on my left that I want you to view derisively/negatively". It's a worthless term.
That seems like a very convoluted way to speak, though. Every time I say SJW I should use the phrase "people on my left that I want you to view derisively/negatively"? Hell, even that make no sense, because I am much further to "the left" than Plansix or Kwark. Or even Biff, if he's willing to vote for that Atlanticist Banker.
Words are difficult, aren't they? Maybe not get hung up over them so much.
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On April 29 2018 01:22 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2018 01:15 Nebuchad wrote:
In that specific discussion there was the added layer of Biff getting at Kwark's throat when they were saying virtually the same thing in terms of content, those were good times.
Btw if you're wondering what SJW means it means "people on my left that I want you to view derisively/negatively". It's a worthless term. That seems like a very convoluted way to speak, though. Every time I say SJW I should use the phrase "people on my left that I want you to view derisively/negatively"? Hell, even that make no sense, because I am much further to "the left" than Plansix or Kwark. Or even Biff, if he's willing to vote for that Atlanticist Banker.
In that case it's to the left socially rather than economically. I should have made that clear, I apologize.
It's a convoluted way to speak but it's also a sentence that you need only in a specific type of conversation that isn't particularly useful or healthy, so my advice would be to not be in those situations in the first place. But that decision's on you isn't it.
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Got it. I gotta shut up, keep my head down, and let people bash Bernie supporters without retaliation. Otherwise I just might upset the circlejerk of the US politics thread.
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On April 29 2018 01:39 a_flayer wrote:
Got it. I gotta shut up, keep my head down, and let people bash Bernie supporters without retaliation. Otherwise I just might upset them by using horrible terms like SJW.
Well let's take that conversation with Biff that we're mentioning where he bashes Bernie supporters. Notice how I managed to retaliate against him without calling him a SJW? What do you feel has more worth in that specific conversation, your answer or mine?
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I'm upset about your use of the word 'conversation', and I refuse to engage with you until you clarify that you did not mean the first definition of the word, "oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas". No, wait, I'm just going to make the entire discussion about that. Fuck anything else, that is the important bit here.
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On April 29 2018 00:39 a_flayer wrote:
Please do give me the iamthedave-approved jargon to describe people who call both sides of a drunken couple that have drunken sex both rapists and rape victims at the same time so I can feel like you take me seriously.
Well, your hissy fit on this page certainly hasn't helped with taking you seriously, and I think that goes a lot further than me.
I shouldn't need to even say this, but here's the problem: Nobody really knows what 'SJW' is. It's become a generic catch-all term for 'leftish people I don't like' that has been used broad-strokes against almost anyone left of Mussolini by someone probably in the last 24 hours. The sort of person who uses it as an actual serious term in actual serious conversation is someone who doesn't understand this simple problem, leading to the exact nonsense we're meant to be trying to avoid, where people start asking if the term applies to them or not, or if it applies to x or y or z, and then arguments if it even applies to the people you think it applies to.
There is no distinct group of 'SJW's. They don't exist. That makes the term itself utterly useless unless it's used in an environment where everyone already knows what it means (i.e. they already have their own definition that they probably use regularly).
And fuck off with the 'circlejerk' stuff. It's infantile.
You can express your opinion just fine. Just don't use useless terminology while doing it. There's plenty of defenses of Bernie Bros that don't require terrible use of the English language. Even strongly worded, furious defenses. Go for it. Knock yourself out.
But what's the point of using the term 'SJW' if nobody knows exactly what you mean or who you're talking about?
For the record, I know a fair bit about it. I was - for a while - a gaming journalist before I realised I was never going to make a living off of it, and I was very active during Gamergate and all the attendant bullshit that went with it (on both sides). But I'm pretty sure the people I think of when I hear 'SJW' aren't the people you're talking about, and most of the people I think of actually aren't SJWs at all.
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And why are you getting all upset about my use of that term instead of just reading what I said exactly as you're suggesting?
"Likewise, nothing has driven me further towards conservatism than the interactions I've had with leftish people I don't like like you."
It doesn't change the message or meaning of what I said AT ALL. Not in the slightest bit. How can it be that much of a stumbling block that people need to bitch about it when you're ALL getting the meaning EXACTLY right?
You people are crazy.
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On April 29 2018 03:04 a_flayer wrote:
And why are you getting all upset about my use of that term instead of just reading what I said exactly as you're suggesting?
"Likewise, nothing has driven me further towards conservatism than the interactions I've had with leftish people I don't like like you."
It doesn't change the message or meaning of what I said AT ALL. Not in the slightest bit. How can it be that much of a stumbling block that people need to bitch about it when you're ALL getting the meaning EXACTLY right?
You people are crazy.
You mistake. I'm not upset.
And actually, it does. That you can't see that is part of the problem.
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The SJW made me do it is so 2017.
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On April 29 2018 03:24 Plansix wrote:
The SJW made me do it is so 2017.
And 2016, really. That's when Trump happened, and we haven't had a more touch-the-stove moment, probably ever. How dare the new generation question the follies of old, we'll show you, with the most impulsive, narcissistic, and most of all incompetent leadership you've ever seen. It's what you get.
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On April 29 2018 03:24 Plansix wrote:
The SJW made me do it is so 2017.
Yeah, 2018 is all about "Bernie made me a centrist" apparently.
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