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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 24 2018 17:28 GMT
#2701
I like the burbs tbh, but I would rather commute to them, rather from then. I could pay half the rent if I lived in the burbs, but IMO living 5 minutes from work is actually worth the price.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 24 2018 17:46 GMT
#2702
On April 25 2018 02:28 ticklishmusic wrote:
I like the burbs tbh, but I would rather commute to them, rather from then. I could pay half the rent if I lived in the burbs, but IMO living 5 minutes from work is actually worth the price.

Yeah I set my max commute time to 15 minutes. Anything more than that just feels like a shitty way to live.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-24 17:54:20
April 24 2018 17:50 GMT
#2703
It all depends on rent prices and how much you you are paid. Some people don't have a choice and have to commute an hour each way. That said, most people do find the time to procreate and have a family, so it is probably a matter of priorities. And sometimes a longer commute time nets you a much nicer place to live. I personally value a quiet lower density area with parks and such like over being next to other amenities, and would happily commute an extra 15 mins over half an hour to obtain so.
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
April 24 2018 18:45 GMT
#2704
There's also differences in an acceptable commute based on how the commute takes place. One hour of sitting on a bus or train is less bad than one hour of driving, because the commute isn't consuming your energy or attention the same way driving does. Of course, America has fairly unimpressive public transportation, so being able to commute by bus or train on the schedule you want isn't always possible.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-24 20:37:23
April 24 2018 20:35 GMT
#2705
On April 25 2018 03:45 Kyadytim wrote:
There's also differences in an acceptable commute based on how the commute takes place. One hour of sitting on a bus or train is less bad than one hour of driving, because the commute isn't consuming your energy or attention the same way driving does. Of course, America has fairly unimpressive public transportation, so being able to commute by bus or train on the schedule you want isn't always possible.


Yeah, I was driving 1 hour each way and it made me want to die. I have somewhat of commute PTSD and am deeply intolerant of long drives after that. I have a friend who has an hour commute, but his is via transit. He just brings his 3DS/Switch and ends up beating a lot of games each month lol. 2 hours/day of just dedicated gaming. Dude CRANKS through games lol.

He still ends up thinking "This is plain and simply more time than I am willing to give up, but at least it is time I am losing pleasantly"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11973 Posts
April 24 2018 20:49 GMT
#2706
Totally agreed on that. I have recently noticed that i can commute via bike (I was under the impression that the way was much too long for that previously, but actually biking it once made me notice that it is quite possible. This takes me a bit longer than taking the train, but i do enjoy riding my bike, and feel that i am becoming much fitter this way. Listening to podcasts while biking is really enjoyable, and since i can't bring myself to work out if there is no purpose behind it, but i am apparently quite fine with biking for an hour, i really enjoy this.

Still, i will probably try to have far less of a commute in the future.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 24 2018 20:52 GMT
#2707
Next up in local Portland news, I loved this headline:

In True Portland Style, a Racial Justice Billboard Was Defaced With Supportive Graffiti




Earlier this month, the non-profit Portland Equity in Action put up 25 billboards around the city with bold-lettered slogans like "Black Narrative," "De-Escalation Not Militarization," "Black Lives Matter," and "Where Was My Presumption of Innocence?"

The public ad campaign, according to the group's website, is aimed at "highlighting racial disparities in access to power structures and policy, as well as media coverage and representation within institutions throughout the Portland area."

And in a distinctly Portland brand of supportive but unhelpful vandalism, a "Portland…Is Your White Fragility Showing?" billboard on Southeast Belmont Street and 26th Avenue was defaced recently with a green spray-painted retort: "Yes it is. ACAB." (For those of you not up on your anarchist lingo, that's short for "All Cops Are Bastards.")



Worth pointing out: no, we are not all crazy. But we've got a lot more crazies than most places.
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-24 23:14:51
April 24 2018 22:37 GMT
#2708
On April 25 2018 02:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 02:28 ticklishmusic wrote:
I like the burbs tbh, but I would rather commute to them, rather from then. I could pay half the rent if I lived in the burbs, but IMO living 5 minutes from work is actually worth the price.

Yeah I set my max commute time to 15 minutes. Anything more than that just feels like a shitty way to live.


Yes. Commute time of 25min or so is a good length & it is sufficiently far away that you don't feel like you're always at work but also it close enough that there is time to do stuff before bedtime.

In any case, now Trump is being cut down a bit by the Supreme Court due to the travel ban being changed by the courts. The Judicial system exists to amend the laws that have been passed by Congress & enforced by the president. Therefore, this travel ban was probably bound to be trimmed down a bit & I think he knew that going in to that. He did not pass that executive order just for the court system to cut it down & to make them look like heroes for upholding the rule of law, this was a legitimate issue at that time there in 2015. I think that the travel ban will either be struck out or significantly modified by the courts - they have a right to do that. This definitively proves that there is a system of checks & balances going on in the States that keeps everything going as it should.

https://newrepublic.com/article/148108/president-defies-supreme-court
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46390 Posts
April 24 2018 22:52 GMT
#2709
On April 25 2018 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:
Next up in local Portland news, I loved this headline:

In True Portland Style, a Racial Justice Billboard Was Defaced With Supportive Graffiti


Show nested quote +


Earlier this month, the non-profit Portland Equity in Action put up 25 billboards around the city with bold-lettered slogans like "Black Narrative," "De-Escalation Not Militarization," "Black Lives Matter," and "Where Was My Presumption of Innocence?"

The public ad campaign, according to the group's website, is aimed at "highlighting racial disparities in access to power structures and policy, as well as media coverage and representation within institutions throughout the Portland area."

And in a distinctly Portland brand of supportive but unhelpful vandalism, a "Portland…Is Your White Fragility Showing?" billboard on Southeast Belmont Street and 26th Avenue was defaced recently with a green spray-painted retort: "Yes it is. ACAB." (For those of you not up on your anarchist lingo, that's short for "All Cops Are Bastards.")



Worth pointing out: no, we are not all crazy. But we've got a lot more crazies than most places.


"supportive but unhelpful vandalism" made me laugh out loud. I instantly thought of a super-patriotic billboard - perhaps with a picture of the American flag and a bald eagle and the Statue of Liberty - saying "America!" with the words "Fuck yeah!" in black, painted over part of it, in true Team America: World Police fashion.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-24 23:20:05
April 24 2018 23:19 GMT
#2710
On April 25 2018 07:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:
Next up in local Portland news, I loved this headline:

In True Portland Style, a Racial Justice Billboard Was Defaced With Supportive Graffiti




Earlier this month, the non-profit Portland Equity in Action put up 25 billboards around the city with bold-lettered slogans like "Black Narrative," "De-Escalation Not Militarization," "Black Lives Matter," and "Where Was My Presumption of Innocence?"

The public ad campaign, according to the group's website, is aimed at "highlighting racial disparities in access to power structures and policy, as well as media coverage and representation within institutions throughout the Portland area."

And in a distinctly Portland brand of supportive but unhelpful vandalism, a "Portland…Is Your White Fragility Showing?" billboard on Southeast Belmont Street and 26th Avenue was defaced recently with a green spray-painted retort: "Yes it is. ACAB." (For those of you not up on your anarchist lingo, that's short for "All Cops Are Bastards.")



Worth pointing out: no, we are not all crazy. But we've got a lot more crazies than most places.


"supportive but unhelpful vandalism" made me laugh out loud. I instantly thought of a super-patriotic billboard - perhaps with a picture of the American flag and a bald eagle and the Statue of Liberty - saying "America!" with the words "Fuck yeah!" in black, painted over part of it, in true Team America: World Police fashion.


If there's one thing Portland has, it is a load of enthusiasm and vigor. We may not actually accomplish much, but we get very involved in the things we ineffectively do.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-25 00:42:50
April 25 2018 00:40 GMT
#2711


A D.C. federal judge has delivered the toughest blow yet to Trump administration efforts to end deportation protections for undocumented immigrants known as “dreamers,” ordering the government to continue the Obama-era program and — for the first time — to accept new applicants.

U.S. District Judge John D. Bates called the government’s decision to end Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals “virtually unexplained” and therefore “unlawful.” However, he stayed his ruling for 90 days to allow the Department of Homeland Security a chance to provide more solid reasoning for ending the program.

In his decision Tuesday, Bates said the Trump administration’s decision to phase out the program starting in March “was arbitrary and capricious because the Department failed adequately to explain its conclusion that the program was unlawful.”


This has echoes of Gorsuch siding with the more liberal members of the court., citing that the Trump admin was too damn vague.
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Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
April 25 2018 01:15 GMT
#2712
Mick Mulvaney, the interim director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, told banking industry executives and lobbyists on Tuesday that they should increase their campaign donations to influence lawmakers, revealing that he would meet only with lobbyists who contributed to his campaign when he served in the House.

“We had a hierarchy in my office in Congress,” Mr. Mulvaney, a former Republican lawmaker from South Carolina, told 1,300 bankers and lobbyists at an American Bankers Association conference in Washington. “If you’re a lobbyist who never gave us money, I didn’t talk to you. If you’re a lobbyist who gave us money, I might talk to you.”

Mr. Mulvaney, who also runs the White House budget office, is a longtime critic of the Obama-era consumer bureau, including while serving in Congress. He was tapped by President Trump in November to temporarily run the bureau, in part because of his promise to sharply curtail its enforcement actions.

Since then, he has frozen all new investigations and slowed down existing inquiries by requiring career employees to produce detailed justifications for their work and by sharply restricting the bureau’s access to bank data, arguing that its investigations created unnecessary online security risks. And he has scaled back the agency’s efforts to go after payday lenders, auto lenders and other financial services companies accused of preying on vulnerable consumers.

But he wants Congress to go further and has urged it to wrest funding of the independent watchdog from the Federal Reserve, a move that would give lawmakers — and those with access to them — more influence on the bureau’s actions. On Tuesday, he implored the financial services industry to help support the legislative changes he has requested to diminish the bureau’s power by increasing campaign donations.

Mr. Mulvaney said that trying to sway legislators that way was one of the “fundamental underpinnings of our representative democracy. And you have to continue to do it.”
www.nytimes.com
This just looks so indefensibly awful to me. He's explicitly talking about buying access to politicians by giving them campaign funds, and calling influencing lawmakers by throwing money at their re-election campaign one of the "fundamental underpinnings of our representative democracy." I can't help but read this as "Citizens United didn't go far enough. Rather than money being an equal form of political speech, money needs to be the most important political speech."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 25 2018 01:19 GMT
#2713
on that other immigration law that was too vague: has congress started drafting a new version of the relevant parts yet? how long would it usually take to get such a thing passed?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
April 25 2018 03:41 GMT
#2714
On April 25 2018 10:15 Kyadytim wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mick Mulvaney, the interim director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, told banking industry executives and lobbyists on Tuesday that they should increase their campaign donations to influence lawmakers, revealing that he would meet only with lobbyists who contributed to his campaign when he served in the House.

“We had a hierarchy in my office in Congress,” Mr. Mulvaney, a former Republican lawmaker from South Carolina, told 1,300 bankers and lobbyists at an American Bankers Association conference in Washington. “If you’re a lobbyist who never gave us money, I didn’t talk to you. If you’re a lobbyist who gave us money, I might talk to you.”

Mr. Mulvaney, who also runs the White House budget office, is a longtime critic of the Obama-era consumer bureau, including while serving in Congress. He was tapped by President Trump in November to temporarily run the bureau, in part because of his promise to sharply curtail its enforcement actions.

Since then, he has frozen all new investigations and slowed down existing inquiries by requiring career employees to produce detailed justifications for their work and by sharply restricting the bureau’s access to bank data, arguing that its investigations created unnecessary online security risks. And he has scaled back the agency’s efforts to go after payday lenders, auto lenders and other financial services companies accused of preying on vulnerable consumers.

But he wants Congress to go further and has urged it to wrest funding of the independent watchdog from the Federal Reserve, a move that would give lawmakers — and those with access to them — more influence on the bureau’s actions. On Tuesday, he implored the financial services industry to help support the legislative changes he has requested to diminish the bureau’s power by increasing campaign donations.

Mr. Mulvaney said that trying to sway legislators that way was one of the “fundamental underpinnings of our representative democracy. And you have to continue to do it.”
www.nytimes.com
This just looks so indefensibly awful to me. He's explicitly talking about buying access to politicians by giving them campaign funds, and calling influencing lawmakers by throwing money at their re-election campaign one of the "fundamental underpinnings of our representative democracy." I can't help but read this as "Citizens United didn't go far enough. Rather than money being an equal form of political speech, money needs to be the most important political speech."


Campaign finance reform is inarguably the biggest issue the US faces. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, it matters who sponsors who you vote for, which isn't transparently disclosed.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 25 2018 04:41 GMT
#2715
The tape is real. No other reason to lie about staying overnight.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/miss-universe-2013-host-thomas-roberts-confirms-trump-stayed-overnight-in-moscow/
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44283 Posts
April 25 2018 05:05 GMT
#2716
Trump on his non overnight stay in Moscow
I was in Moscow. And a lot of the people knew - they were there, and they had an amazing time. And they're terrific people, you know I was getting along with them so great. I really loved my weekend, I called it my 'weekend in Moscow'.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-25 05:44:28
April 25 2018 05:37 GMT
#2717
On April 25 2018 14:05 KwarK wrote:
Trump on his non overnight stay in Moscow
Show nested quote +
I was in Moscow. And a lot of the people knew - they were there, and they had an amazing time. And they're terrific people, you know I was getting along with them so great. I really loved my weekend, I called it my 'weekend in Moscow'.

Where he "met oligarchs and other very high level government officials", as he said.

Edit: why can't I find this source now
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
April 25 2018 06:32 GMT
#2718
On April 25 2018 14:37 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 14:05 KwarK wrote:
Trump on his non overnight stay in Moscow
I was in Moscow. And a lot of the people knew - they were there, and they had an amazing time. And they're terrific people, you know I was getting along with them so great. I really loved my weekend, I called it my 'weekend in Moscow'.

Where he "met oligarchs and other very high level government officials", as he said.

Edit: why can't I find this source now





It's just a bit ahead of here in the interview.

The thread is pretty quiet nowadays. It feels a lot like there's a consensus on what's happening, and I just come here to nod and say, yep, that's happening.

I figure Trump's got another few months - the leak have expanded to be a pretty big, continuous flow, and it's pretty clear now from almost every perspective that Trump is in someone's pockets - Probably Putin, but possibly others and his entire cabinet is full of people appointed because they paid a lot of money to be there.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
April 25 2018 06:53 GMT
#2719
On April 25 2018 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:
Next up in local Portland news, I loved this headline:

In True Portland Style, a Racial Justice Billboard Was Defaced With Supportive Graffiti


Show nested quote +


Earlier this month, the non-profit Portland Equity in Action put up 25 billboards around the city with bold-lettered slogans like "Black Narrative," "De-Escalation Not Militarization," "Black Lives Matter," and "Where Was My Presumption of Innocence?"

The public ad campaign, according to the group's website, is aimed at "highlighting racial disparities in access to power structures and policy, as well as media coverage and representation within institutions throughout the Portland area."

And in a distinctly Portland brand of supportive but unhelpful vandalism, a "Portland…Is Your White Fragility Showing?" billboard on Southeast Belmont Street and 26th Avenue was defaced recently with a green spray-painted retort: "Yes it is. ACAB." (For those of you not up on your anarchist lingo, that's short for "All Cops Are Bastards.")



Worth pointing out: no, we are not all crazy. But we've got a lot more crazies than most places.


I live one block away from this heh.

Also worth pointing out, some of us here don’t agree with your view of Portland.

I’m not even sure how this article is related to us politics.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11973 Posts
April 25 2018 09:41 GMT
#2720
On April 25 2018 12:41 mierin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 10:15 Kyadytim wrote:
Mick Mulvaney, the interim director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, told banking industry executives and lobbyists on Tuesday that they should increase their campaign donations to influence lawmakers, revealing that he would meet only with lobbyists who contributed to his campaign when he served in the House.

“We had a hierarchy in my office in Congress,” Mr. Mulvaney, a former Republican lawmaker from South Carolina, told 1,300 bankers and lobbyists at an American Bankers Association conference in Washington. “If you’re a lobbyist who never gave us money, I didn’t talk to you. If you’re a lobbyist who gave us money, I might talk to you.”

Mr. Mulvaney, who also runs the White House budget office, is a longtime critic of the Obama-era consumer bureau, including while serving in Congress. He was tapped by President Trump in November to temporarily run the bureau, in part because of his promise to sharply curtail its enforcement actions.

Since then, he has frozen all new investigations and slowed down existing inquiries by requiring career employees to produce detailed justifications for their work and by sharply restricting the bureau’s access to bank data, arguing that its investigations created unnecessary online security risks. And he has scaled back the agency’s efforts to go after payday lenders, auto lenders and other financial services companies accused of preying on vulnerable consumers.

But he wants Congress to go further and has urged it to wrest funding of the independent watchdog from the Federal Reserve, a move that would give lawmakers — and those with access to them — more influence on the bureau’s actions. On Tuesday, he implored the financial services industry to help support the legislative changes he has requested to diminish the bureau’s power by increasing campaign donations.

Mr. Mulvaney said that trying to sway legislators that way was one of the “fundamental underpinnings of our representative democracy. And you have to continue to do it.”
www.nytimes.com
This just looks so indefensibly awful to me. He's explicitly talking about buying access to politicians by giving them campaign funds, and calling influencing lawmakers by throwing money at their re-election campaign one of the "fundamental underpinnings of our representative democracy." I can't help but read this as "Citizens United didn't go far enough. Rather than money being an equal form of political speech, money needs to be the most important political speech."


Campaign finance reform is inarguably the biggest issue the US faces. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, it matters who sponsors who you vote for, which isn't transparently disclosed.


Is that guy not basically admitting to be utterly corrupt? How is that even something he can say without going to prison? "When i was a lawmaker, i only listened to people who gave me money". That is explicit corruption.
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