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On April 03 2019 14:22 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 14:05 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2019 13:57 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 13:44 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2019 13:37 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 10:46 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 09:48 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 09:20 Gahlo wrote:On April 03 2019 09:09 Danglars wrote:Certainly don't be stupid enough to make this about Muslim vs Christian. I hear all the time here that there's this tremendous cost keeping people on death row for decades waiting for appeals (etc), and I don't want this sudden flip towards allowing all kinds of delay proceedings at the very last moment. You're the disingenuous one trying to call disingenuous bs on others. It's just another case of "If you're going to do it, do it right." Plenty of us would rather he not be up for execution, but that isn't an option. You want a death penalty? Don't bitch when there's flack because it isn't being done properly. This bullshit line of thinking is "leaving Syria" all over again. edit: To tack on, don't think you got away with lumping Islam in with Pastafarianism, which isn't a religion that is recognized by the US government, in your flippant dismissal of the religious option(singular) available. I see you. I give the example of Pastafarianism because neither yourself nor any others have stated the number of spiritual advisors that a prison that conducts executions must retain before religious rights are granted. I don't recall that being the burden placed upon us for pointing out why favoring Christianity alone is problematic. "Ahh shit, we can only pick one, better pick the only religion that matters." You know that's not a good look, right? You should have some idea of the alternative, rather than just arguing optics and asserting religious discrimination. That isn’t a good look either. Does it really change much if a Buddhist is retained and a Christian submits his request very late in the process? Yeah, the Christians would claim discrimination. Well, if the best change you can identify is just who's whining at the course of justice, I rest my case. They would be correct too, as they were not receiving equal treatment. But I get that you believe filing deadlines are so important that you want to empower that state to deny religious free to death row inmates if they miss one. The first amendment and freedom of expression basic human rights, unless someone is going to be executed and then it’s all about that prison red tape. The executions must run on time, like the trains. That's why I brought up with another the various gradations. One thinks the final second, another the final hour, another the final day, final week, 2 weeks, a month. They're all going to rely on the trains running on time and denial of basic human rights. I'm just not going to make hay whining about Religious Group A engaging in purposeful discrimination against Group B when nobody's making cogent arguments towards that principle. (Now queue the Marx Brothers skit where every one of them gets successful delays the week before their execution. You see, they wanted a Reformed Baptist instead of a Southern Baptist...) I can't even get a prison to put a signature on a piece of paper if I give them a month ffs.
What's this absurd straw man where they're ordering theologians off a menu and then sending them back to the kitchen? They write to their minister and say "hey, can you show up for my execution". If the guy is washing his hair that day then whatever, maybe they write to another one or maybe, if their heart was set on the first guy, they just go "oh well". Once they find a guy who is free to show up all the prison has to do is let the guy in for the execution and then let him back out again afterwards.
You're massively overcomplicating this. The prison isn't providing theologians to order, they're just letting the guy's religious counselor, whoever that might be, witness their final moments. It's only unworkable if you set out to deliberately make it unworkable.
This is a prison. If there’s one place designed to take people who could be criminals in at short notice it’s this. They don’t need to do an extensive background check on the imam, their normal business is letting criminals into the building. They don’t need a months written notice because criminals don’t normally give a months written notice.
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On April 03 2019 14:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 14:15 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 13:37 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 10:46 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 09:48 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 09:20 Gahlo wrote:On April 03 2019 09:09 Danglars wrote:Certainly don't be stupid enough to make this about Muslim vs Christian. I hear all the time here that there's this tremendous cost keeping people on death row for decades waiting for appeals (etc), and I don't want this sudden flip towards allowing all kinds of delay proceedings at the very last moment. You're the disingenuous one trying to call disingenuous bs on others. It's just another case of "If you're going to do it, do it right." Plenty of us would rather he not be up for execution, but that isn't an option. You want a death penalty? Don't bitch when there's flack because it isn't being done properly. This bullshit line of thinking is "leaving Syria" all over again. edit: To tack on, don't think you got away with lumping Islam in with Pastafarianism, which isn't a religion that is recognized by the US government, in your flippant dismissal of the religious option(singular) available. I see you. I give the example of Pastafarianism because neither yourself nor any others have stated the number of spiritual advisors that a prison that conducts executions must retain before religious rights are granted. I don't recall that being the burden placed upon us for pointing out why favoring Christianity alone is problematic. "Ahh shit, we can only pick one, better pick the only religion that matters." You know that's not a good look, right? You should have some idea of the alternative, rather than just arguing optics and asserting religious discrimination. That isn’t a good look either. Does it really change much if a Buddhist is retained and a Christian submits his request very late in the process? I don't have to present alternatives, Kwark's idea would do just fine. Though I enjoy the false dichotomy and false equivalence. And no. Besides the Christians claiming persecution, I would say they have that right, even if it isn't enshrined in law, just like I'm doing now. Because, like it or not, it's discrimination. In fact, most cases of long-standing "it is what it is" are about discrimination these days. You only seem to care about this one because it concerns Christian privilege. Suit yourself in what you think you have or don't have to do. You're the one arguing that it's not your burden, or rather asserting it is not so. You're much better off addressing the principle at hand, instead of both claiming it's Christian privilege and Christians would have equal cause to claim persecution. I see no point in continuing any argument that strips down to presuming I'm only doing such and such because of what faith or race or sex I am. It's better left in places like the_Donald and Breitbart comment sections for people to fire back "You're only defending him because he's a Muslim. You'd have no problem if it was a Christian."
It's not presumption when you have a long history of it, my friend. Your most vehement arguments are always, and exclusively, about people who align with the right-wing identity. We know this.
And don't be snide. Going "well what is the number, then?" is grade-A fuckery and you know it. People are discussing alternatives in the thread under your nose, and you ignore them. Not my fault if you're not current.
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On April 03 2019 14:31 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 14:28 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 14:15 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 13:37 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 10:46 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 09:48 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 09:20 Gahlo wrote:On April 03 2019 09:09 Danglars wrote:Certainly don't be stupid enough to make this about Muslim vs Christian. I hear all the time here that there's this tremendous cost keeping people on death row for decades waiting for appeals (etc), and I don't want this sudden flip towards allowing all kinds of delay proceedings at the very last moment. You're the disingenuous one trying to call disingenuous bs on others. It's just another case of "If you're going to do it, do it right." Plenty of us would rather he not be up for execution, but that isn't an option. You want a death penalty? Don't bitch when there's flack because it isn't being done properly. This bullshit line of thinking is "leaving Syria" all over again. edit: To tack on, don't think you got away with lumping Islam in with Pastafarianism, which isn't a religion that is recognized by the US government, in your flippant dismissal of the religious option(singular) available. I see you. I give the example of Pastafarianism because neither yourself nor any others have stated the number of spiritual advisors that a prison that conducts executions must retain before religious rights are granted. I don't recall that being the burden placed upon us for pointing out why favoring Christianity alone is problematic. "Ahh shit, we can only pick one, better pick the only religion that matters." You know that's not a good look, right? You should have some idea of the alternative, rather than just arguing optics and asserting religious discrimination. That isn’t a good look either. Does it really change much if a Buddhist is retained and a Christian submits his request very late in the process? I don't have to present alternatives, Kwark's idea would do just fine. Though I enjoy the false dichotomy and false equivalence. And no. Besides the Christians claiming persecution, I would say they have that right, even if it isn't enshrined in law, just like I'm doing now. Because, like it or not, it's discrimination. In fact, most cases of long-standing "it is what it is" are about discrimination these days. You only seem to care about this one because it concerns Christian privilege. Suit yourself in what you think you have or don't have to do. You're the one arguing that it's not your burden, or rather asserting it is not so. You're much better off addressing the principle at hand, instead of both claiming it's Christian privilege and Christians would have equal cause to claim persecution. I see no point in continuing any argument that strips down to presuming I'm only doing such and such because of what faith or race or sex I am. It's better left in places like the_Donald and Breitbart comment sections for people to fire back "You're only defending him because he's a Muslim. You'd have no problem if it was a Christian." It's not presumption when you have a long history of it, my friend. Your most vehement arguments are always, and exclusively, about people who align with the right-wing identity. We know this. And don't be snide. Going "well what is the number, then?" is grade-A fuckery and you know it. People are discussing alternatives in the thread under your nose, and you ignore them. Not my fault if you're not current.
Approximately two weeks in a case that refused to grant a stay explicitly because of the late hour in which it was made was painted as a case of religious discrimination by the original poster who brought it up. I can't help it if you don't treat the subject seriously, and I won't waste many more words if you don't address it when I bring it up. I fail to see how you reconcile your twin arguments of Christian privilege and equal Christian discrimination. I reiterate that blaming it on personal faith (as sex and race) is better kept in the lower forums for conversation, as would be blaming your defense on simple anti-Christian sentiment or Muslim identification.
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On April 03 2019 14:39 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 14:31 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 14:28 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 14:15 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 13:37 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 10:46 NewSunshine wrote:On April 03 2019 09:48 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 09:20 Gahlo wrote:On April 03 2019 09:09 Danglars wrote:Certainly don't be stupid enough to make this about Muslim vs Christian. I hear all the time here that there's this tremendous cost keeping people on death row for decades waiting for appeals (etc), and I don't want this sudden flip towards allowing all kinds of delay proceedings at the very last moment. You're the disingenuous one trying to call disingenuous bs on others. It's just another case of "If you're going to do it, do it right." Plenty of us would rather he not be up for execution, but that isn't an option. You want a death penalty? Don't bitch when there's flack because it isn't being done properly. This bullshit line of thinking is "leaving Syria" all over again. edit: To tack on, don't think you got away with lumping Islam in with Pastafarianism, which isn't a religion that is recognized by the US government, in your flippant dismissal of the religious option(singular) available. I see you. I give the example of Pastafarianism because neither yourself nor any others have stated the number of spiritual advisors that a prison that conducts executions must retain before religious rights are granted. I don't recall that being the burden placed upon us for pointing out why favoring Christianity alone is problematic. "Ahh shit, we can only pick one, better pick the only religion that matters." You know that's not a good look, right? You should have some idea of the alternative, rather than just arguing optics and asserting religious discrimination. That isn’t a good look either. Does it really change much if a Buddhist is retained and a Christian submits his request very late in the process? I don't have to present alternatives, Kwark's idea would do just fine. Though I enjoy the false dichotomy and false equivalence. And no. Besides the Christians claiming persecution, I would say they have that right, even if it isn't enshrined in law, just like I'm doing now. Because, like it or not, it's discrimination. In fact, most cases of long-standing "it is what it is" are about discrimination these days. You only seem to care about this one because it concerns Christian privilege. Suit yourself in what you think you have or don't have to do. You're the one arguing that it's not your burden, or rather asserting it is not so. You're much better off addressing the principle at hand, instead of both claiming it's Christian privilege and Christians would have equal cause to claim persecution. I see no point in continuing any argument that strips down to presuming I'm only doing such and such because of what faith or race or sex I am. It's better left in places like the_Donald and Breitbart comment sections for people to fire back "You're only defending him because he's a Muslim. You'd have no problem if it was a Christian." It's not presumption when you have a long history of it, my friend. Your most vehement arguments are always, and exclusively, about people who align with the right-wing identity. We know this. And don't be snide. Going "well what is the number, then?" is grade-A fuckery and you know it. People are discussing alternatives in the thread under your nose, and you ignore them. Not my fault if you're not current. Approximately two weeks in a case that refused to grant a stay explicitly because of the late hour in which it was made was painted as a case of religious discrimination by the original poster who brought it up. I can't help it if you don't treat the subject seriously, and I won't waste many more words if you don't address it when I bring it up. I fail to see how you reconcile your twin arguments of Christian privilege and equal Christian discrimination. I reiterate that blaming it on personal faith (as sex and race) is better kept in the lower forums for conversation, as would be blaming your defense on simple anti-Christian sentiment or Muslim identification.
I think you need to re-read my post if you think I'm making both of those claims about this case simultaneously. Since you seem rather hung up on it.
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So the master of bullshit now makes up his father place of birth. I was waiting for « lots of people don’t know this, but Germany is in Europe ».
This is for the very very least bizarre.
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He's actually said that a few times afaik. His grandfather was German. For Trump that's probably the closest he's come to telling the truth all week.
On the execution thing, there's plenty of options:
A) allow external ministers in through a security screen
B) require ministers to be vetted and pre-vet one from all major religions
C) require them to be staff, and retain one from all major religions
D) block everyone from the chamber except the executioner
E) not execute people
Any of those would be fine. C might get a bit expensive but so does everything to do with executions.
The only way we end up with discrimination is F) execute people, require ministers to be on staff, only employ ministers from a couple of groups. Unfortunately that's exactly what we've got in this case, for some reason.
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On April 03 2019 00:51 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2019 16:17 EnDeR_ wrote:On April 02 2019 07:46 xDaunt wrote:On April 02 2019 07:24 Velr wrote:
Well, it will get pretty concrete once the wather spills all the trash back into the cities....
I still don't get the argument against "clean" energy or the funding of it. At worst we pollute the enviroment less? What is there to lose? If your not an Oil or Coal company.... Clean energy (solar/wind) is not competitive with fossil fuel energy in terms of price or efficiency. Certain applications will never be satisfied by clean energy. The reality is that we're going to have to invent a brand new form of clean energy (ie fusion or something else) to get rid of reliance on fossil fuels. Not true as of 2018: https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-and-levelized-cost-of-storage-2018/From the article: The low end levelized cost of onshore wind-generated energy is $29/MWh, compared to an average illustrative marginal cost of $36/MWh for coal. The levelized cost of utility-scale solar is nearly identical to the illustrative marginal cost of coal, at $36/MWh. Investing in renewables is a sound economic plan no matter which way you look at it. No, it's still true. Those figures don't account for the unique storage and grid costs attendant to renewables due to their inherent unreliability, which is why they also included the separate report on storage. Likewise, the focus on costs does not factor in the geographic requirements of solar and wind power. Converting entirely to solar and wind in the US would require setting aside an amount of land that is bigger than most states. Even partial conversion would have huge geographic requirements. Rampant NIMBYism already makes it difficult to build these facilities. Offshore wind power generation has been hugely hampered by this. All of that said, yes, the costs of renewables has decreased hugely over the past decade such that, as Lazard points out, renewables are cost competitive with traditional fossil fuels under certain conditions. So I certainly wouldn't advocate that we discontinue expanding renewable energy generation. But renewable energy, as it exists today, is not and cannot be a complete replacement for traditional chemical energy generation for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past several pages.
I see where you are coming from although I wasn't implying complete replacement in the short term. As you point out, that is unfeasible at the moment. The point still remains that renewables are now cheaper than coal so investing in them to cover partial demand in the grid avoids the issue of storage so it is still a sound proposition economically speaking.
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On the other hand he just said the president of Puerto Rico should be jailed, which is... one of the rare times we can all agree with him
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On the execution thing, last week the supreme Court ruled differently in nearly the exact same case, but for a Buddhist. The supreme Court stayed the execution while the 5th circuit Court of appeals ruled that he had waited too long to file suit.
Texas only allows Christian and Muslim Ministers in the execution room.
Guess who changed his mind between both cases? Kavanaugh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/us/politics/texas-execution-buddhist-inmate.html
The opinion (wrong link on the nytimes article) : https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18a985_7l48.pdf
Little asterisk at the end : "I conclude that Murphy made his request to the state in a sufficiently timely manner, one month before the scheduled execution".
His execution date was decided since early December 2018, he waited more than 2 months to request his long-time spiritual advisor to be present (he was Buddhist for a decade, and had the same spiritual advisor for at least 6 years prior to the execution date, and the Texas law is public).
I am guessing some will this time say this wasn't a delaying tactic, 4 weeks being fine, but 2 weeks not being fine? (On absolutely no legal grounds).
While I agree with this decision, I wish there was equal treatment in similar cases coming in.
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Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird.
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Northern Ireland25318 Posts
On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird.
The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'.
Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office.
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On April 03 2019 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird. The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'. Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office.
I dunno. This just doesn't seem at all important. He probably meant his grandfather. It isn't bullshitting. It's just being old and senile. Why you'd want that in your president, I don't know. But this doesn't seem to be the claim to go apeshit over. You want bullshit? Just keep hammering him on his inauguration crowds and weather. By far the most obvious lie for absolutely no apparent reason other than making himself look good.
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On April 03 2019 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird. The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'. Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office.
Every politician is a bullshitter
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 03 2019 19:05 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird. The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'. Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office. Every politician is a bullshitter
so they won you say. they can lie their asses off, in the open and in your face and laugh about it because you still vote for them, and that is ok all of a sudden(because he is on my team?!).
so they brought you spirit so low that you do not distinguish between good and bad(more distinctly LESS bad in case of politicians...) anymore.
door wide open for the Trump's of the world. highly instructive, thank you for posting.
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On April 03 2019 19:05 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird. The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'. Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office. Every politician is a bullshitter
Sure, in the same way someone might be able to claim "every person lies at some point in their life", but I would just caution that a generalization like that doesn't take into account any sort of degree. Trump's level of bullshit and both quantity and quality of lies is way off the charts compared to your average politician. He doesn't just lie to get ahead in life or for his own self-interest (e.g., lying about his taxes or dodging the draft); he lies about completely absurd and superficial things too that no one cares about, as well as lies about things that are clearly 100% false (e.g., his weight and health). He's a compulsive liar and bullshitter, among many other things.
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Northern Ireland25318 Posts
On April 03 2019 19:05 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird. The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'. Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office. Every politician is a bullshitter
To a degree yes, there's massive variance there though between talking utter bollocks and massaging what you say to sound as good as possible. I don't think a fully honest politician is electable, which is kind of on the general populace.
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On April 03 2019 13:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 10:11 Gahlo wrote:On April 03 2019 09:48 Danglars wrote:On April 03 2019 09:20 Gahlo wrote:On April 03 2019 09:09 Danglars wrote:Certainly don't be stupid enough to make this about Muslim vs Christian. I hear all the time here that there's this tremendous cost keeping people on death row for decades waiting for appeals (etc), and I don't want this sudden flip towards allowing all kinds of delay proceedings at the very last moment. You're the disingenuous one trying to call disingenuous bs on others. It's just another case of "If you're going to do it, do it right." Plenty of us would rather he not be up for execution, but that isn't an option. You want a death penalty? Don't bitch when there's flack because it isn't being done properly. This bullshit line of thinking is "leaving Syria" all over again. edit: To tack on, don't think you got away with lumping Islam in with Pastafarianism, which isn't a religion that is recognized by the US government, in your flippant dismissal of the religious option(singular) available. I see you. Yes, "do it right." Set no precedent that last minute requests will be honored at the highest court in the land. Delay two decades to three decades or even four. I give the example of Pastafarianism because neither yourself nor any others have stated the number of spiritual advisors that a prison that conducts executions must retain before religious rights are granted. I see your questions of religion do not extend to Pastafarianism, and I suggest you plea before the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster to why you are willing to deny his disciples their religious rights. Or do you only recognize official state-sanctioned religions? I don't recognize any religion as being legitimate, personally, but that's neither here not there because I'm not a sociopath. However, if you're going to have it set up, by law, where only retained clergypeople are allowed, then you need to have one of every legal faith/denomination that is recognized, by law. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Presuming we had some areas of Minnesota with a predominantly Muslim population on death row, it’s legitimate to pay an imam and refuse Christian requests submitted close to the actual date of execution. You haven’t recognized any rules setting aside how to recognize religions you favor and those you don’t. I see I brought up pastafarians with good use. You will refer to laws you don’t define and periods of request you don’t discuss. Two weeks is plain religious bigotry, Peter says a month at minimum, and Paul says the day before and calls both priors the worst of bigots.
If we had some areas of Minnesota with a death row comprised of predominant Muslim people, I'd be curious how 1% of the general populace of the state makes up 50%+ of it, but that's neither here nor there. 2 weeks is ample time. Hell, it's the standard courtesy period somebody offers their place of work before leaving so they can find and hire somebody to replace them. If a worker can be replaced in 2 weeks than a clergyperson can be vetted, give a service, and then be on their way in that time period. Would you deny a person on death row to see the retained priest after having a "come to Jesus" moment the day before their life was ended?
If you're going to have freedom of religion and offer people spiritual counseling, then clergy people need to be able to come and go as needed, or if you want to restrict people because of a "security risk" to the point where they need to be retained, then you need to retain as many clergypeople as will qualify under freedom of religion. Don't like that Pastafarianism isn't considered an actual religion? I look forward to hearing your exploits as you battle for the religious freedoms of those people. But you don't actually care, it's just a cheap line to throw out there to make a dig at the Islamic faith.
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On April 03 2019 19:05 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird. The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'. Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office. Every politician is a bullshitter
Saying shit like this about Trump just labels you are a complete political novice that never really bothered to follow politics until Trump.
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On April 03 2019 20:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2019 19:05 BerserkSword wrote:On April 03 2019 18:33 Wombat_NI wrote:On April 03 2019 18:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Having a racist birther conspiracy theory about a president is bad enough, but having it about your own father is just plain weird. The weirdest thing to me about the Trump Presidency is the amount of people who outright deny he's a bullshitter, it blows my mind. I could absolutely wrap my head around a variant of 'well yeah obviously, but he's my guy and does the things important to me politically'. Strange times we live in indeed, the vocal cohort that throw 'fake news' around at basically anything, prompted by a man who is the most flagrant and frequent liar I have ever observed in any public office. Every politician is a bullshitter Saying shit like this about Trump just labels you are a complete political novice that never really bothered to follow politics until Trump.
But that’s what every apologist of Trump uses to defend him. Tell them he catters to dictators, they will tell you that Obama was friend with the Saudis and so on and so forth. And the best part of the whole thing is when you get told that at least he is not a hypocrite.
That’s so dumb it hurts.
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He’s worse than a hypocrite. He’s an increasingly senile idiot.
Our best hope for a one term Trump presidency is that he gets grievously ill or dies.
Sanders needs to pick a very impressive President-in-waiting as his running mate
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