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Someone is leaking this Biden stuff now to deter him from getting in the race. What has surfaced already is likely just a warning shot, and there is more out there. Creepy Uncle Joe missed his chance. He should have run in 2016.
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Biden not running would be unusually good news. I'll believe it when I see it =)
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On April 01 2019 03:44 xDaunt wrote:
Someone is leaking this Biden stuff now to deter him from getting in the race. What has surfaced already is likely just a warning shot, and there is more out there. Creepy Uncle Joe missed his chance. He should have run in 2016. A friendly reminder that the guy had just lost his son.
I can understand someone not being in the mood for a Presidential race after having recently suffered such a personal loss.
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On April 01 2019 03:52 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 03:44 xDaunt wrote:
Someone is leaking this Biden stuff now to deter him from getting in the race. What has surfaced already is likely just a warning shot, and there is more out there. Creepy Uncle Joe missed his chance. He should have run in 2016. A friendly reminder that the guy had just lost his son. I can understand someone not being in the mood for a Presidential race after having recently suffered such a personal loss.
This. Not everyone wants to be President. Hell, I’d only consider it if I was told the only other guy running was Trump.
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On April 01 2019 03:17 Dromar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 03:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Biden's run has seemed doomed for a very long time. But this recent touching stuff is the 10th nail in the coffin. Just go ride your Harley into the sunset, Joe. We're ok. Has he even officially announced that he's running? Seeing him topping polls when he hasn't announced his candidacy annoys the hell out of me. That and the fact that he's a terrible choice (IMO). Ultimately this latest stuff is really great since we can get Biden out of the way sooner rather than later.
I refuse to indulge the horse shit culture responsible for saying Biden hasn't announced yet. Yes he has. He hasn't coordinated a hashtag and a big rally and all sorts of stupid shit, but he is 100% running for president based in who he is visiting, pacs, everything.
Biden is a candidate whether he "technically" announced or not. It probably bothers me more than it should, but the whole "oh jeez guys, will I run? XD just talking to donors XD XD" is so dumb.
Biden is just polling highly because the vast majority of voters don't even tune in until near the election. It's just a bunch of low effort Democrats who see Obama as better than Trump.
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On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it.
AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent
Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician
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On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician
To date I've only ever heard the "she's just a high school twit" from right-wingers who'd rather she didn't exist. Maybe actually listen to her speak sometime, instead of parroting Fox News.
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On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent
The american high school system must be much better than I've been led to believe
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On March 31 2019 23:25 JimmiC wrote:
Trump didnt play to the center he did OK. I think AOC will be fine. I can see why conservatives would be extra scared but to her base she is saying and doing exactly what they want. And she is not running for president (yet) do you think new yorkers want centerists? Or as far away from trump as possible? I think she will do more then fine next election and Im sure she is not remotely concerned what 2 hard right people think of her and her policies.
Born and raised in NYC, lived here all my life
New Yorkers actually prefer the center left to this democratic socialist sect of the party. for example Bernie sanders got rekt in nyc during the 2016 dem primaries
the only reason AOC won her district (which actually includes the neighborhood where i was born) was because she was a young hispanic woman. i know people who havent voted once in their lives go vote for AOC because she's hispanic lol
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On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician
She's young and unpolished, so I'm willing to give her a pass on the speaking skills. She communicates well enough over social media anyway. Considering that 30-second soundbites are the primary weapons of politics, she's well-ahead of the curve on communications.
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On April 01 2019 04:40 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician She's young and unpolished, so I'm willing to give her a pass on the speaking skills. She communicates well enough over social media anyway. Considering that 30-second soundbites are the primary weapons of politics, she's well-ahead of the curve on communications.
I agree. I was just saying she isnt eloquent at the moment lol
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On April 01 2019 03:52 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 03:44 xDaunt wrote:
Someone is leaking this Biden stuff now to deter him from getting in the race. What has surfaced already is likely just a warning shot, and there is more out there. Creepy Uncle Joe missed his chance. He should have run in 2016. A friendly reminder that the guy had just lost his son. I can understand someone not being in the mood for a Presidential race after having recently suffered such a personal loss.
I didn't believe the official story for Biden staying out of the 2016 race then, and I don't believe it now. That speech that he gave announcing his decision not to run was not written to be that kind of speech. It's like someone took a campaign kickoff speech and then revised the final few paragraphs to announce a decision not to run. Biden's very public ruing of his decision not to run in the years since only heightens my suspicions. While I'm sure that the death of his son was a factor in his decision not to run, the primary factor was likely Hillary Clinton. It was decreed from on high that it was her turn to get the nomination. This is why so few Democrats got in the race and why the DNC subsequently did what it could to screw Bernie and to rig the nomination process in her favor.
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On April 01 2019 04:42 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 04:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician She's young and unpolished, so I'm willing to give her a pass on the speaking skills. She communicates well enough over social media anyway. Considering that 30-second soundbites are the primary weapons of politics, she's well-ahead of the curve on communications. I agree. I was just saying she isnt eloquent at the moment lol
I don't think it really matters. She's not going to last. Her vacuous ideas don't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. She may stay where she is in Congress for a while because it's not a competitive district (unless she gets primaried, which is a real possibility), but she's not going to advance further.
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On April 01 2019 04:49 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 04:42 BerserkSword wrote:On April 01 2019 04:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician She's young and unpolished, so I'm willing to give her a pass on the speaking skills. She communicates well enough over social media anyway. Considering that 30-second soundbites are the primary weapons of politics, she's well-ahead of the curve on communications. I agree. I was just saying she isnt eloquent at the moment lol I don't think it really matters. She's not going to last. Her vacuous ideas don't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. She may stay where she is in Congress for a while because it's not a competitive district (unless she gets primaried, which is a real possibility), but she's not going to advance further.
Ah yes, her major failing is that her biggest ideas don't hold up under scrutiny. Meanwhile, you defend to the hilt a man who campaigns and rallies on a border wall. Which holds up so much better.
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On April 01 2019 04:49 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 04:42 BerserkSword wrote:On April 01 2019 04:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician She's young and unpolished, so I'm willing to give her a pass on the speaking skills. She communicates well enough over social media anyway. Considering that 30-second soundbites are the primary weapons of politics, she's well-ahead of the curve on communications. I agree. I was just saying she isnt eloquent at the moment lol I don't think it really matters. She's not going to last. Her vacuous ideas don't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. She may stay where she is in Congress for a while because it's not a competitive district (unless she gets primaried, which is a real possibility), but she's not going to advance further.
yea. she's a homeless man's version of bernie
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On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician
I'd love to watch a recording of you public speaking. Got a link?
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On April 01 2019 03:44 xDaunt wrote:
Someone is leaking this Biden stuff now to deter him from getting in the race. What has surfaced already is likely just a warning shot, and there is more out there. Creepy Uncle Joe missed his chance. He should have run in 2016.
Considering how much of an absolute pig the man you elected and keep supporting is, I would go soft on the “creepy uncle joe” and other trumpesque school boy taunts of that flavour.
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On April 01 2019 04:55 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 04:49 xDaunt wrote:On April 01 2019 04:42 BerserkSword wrote:On April 01 2019 04:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician She's young and unpolished, so I'm willing to give her a pass on the speaking skills. She communicates well enough over social media anyway. Considering that 30-second soundbites are the primary weapons of politics, she's well-ahead of the curve on communications. I agree. I was just saying she isnt eloquent at the moment lol I don't think it really matters. She's not going to last. Her vacuous ideas don't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. She may stay where she is in Congress for a while because it's not a competitive district (unless she gets primaried, which is a real possibility), but she's not going to advance further. Ah yes, her major failing is that her biggest ideas don't hold up under scrutiny. Meanwhile, you defend to the hilt a man who campaigns and rallies on a border wall. Which holds up so much better.
I'd rather my taxes go towards a border wall than AOC's ridiculous plans
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On April 01 2019 04:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 03:44 xDaunt wrote:
Someone is leaking this Biden stuff now to deter him from getting in the race. What has surfaced already is likely just a warning shot, and there is more out there. Creepy Uncle Joe missed his chance. He should have run in 2016. Considering how much of an absolute pig the man you elected and keep supporting is, I would go soft on the “creepy uncle joe” and other trumpesque school boy taunts of that flavour.
Trump flaunts his shit. No one cares about what he does anymore because we have been over-saturated by the reporting on it. I doubt that the same rules apply to Biden as Trump.
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On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician
Suggestions made in the GND have ~80-90% favorability, once partisan and category taboos (e.g., " this is socialist") are controlled for and removed, and these are things that Bernie and others have been fighting for too, which are basically normalized unless misrepresented by certain organizations:
"87.6% of respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the federal government invest in infrastructure designed to build resilience against climate-change-related disasters.
87.2% of poll respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the US meet 100% of its power demands through renewable or zero-emission energy sources; 12.7% said this goal was either not so important or not at all important.
86% of those polled said it was important that the federal government enact policies aimed at achieving net-zero greenhouse-gas emissions (which would mean no added carbon dioxide in the atmosphere).
Support for improving the energy efficiency of new and existing buildings was particularly high at 89%.
And 87.5% of respondents said it's important that both manufacturing and agricultural businesses and industries be required to be as emission-free as technologically feasible.
The resolution's call for major investment in energy-efficient transportation was also popular, with 87.6% of those polled saying it's important that the government invest directly in a high-speed rail system, zero-emission vehicle infrastructure, and clean public transit."
https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-support-among-americans-poll-2019-2/
I would also still stand by my statement that she tends to go viral for positive reasons and that she's generally eloquent. She's not an Obama-level orator, per se, which is surely due to inexperience, but I'd say that in most cases she speaks clearly and powerfully, and carries herself well.
On April 01 2019 04:59 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2019 04:55 NewSunshine wrote:On April 01 2019 04:49 xDaunt wrote:On April 01 2019 04:42 BerserkSword wrote:On April 01 2019 04:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 01 2019 04:29 BerserkSword wrote:On March 31 2019 20:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think that AOC's GND and other bold proposals for progress, as well as Democratic presidential candidates' policy suggestions (e.g., Yang's UBI), are at least forcing conversations about ideas and topics that are worth exploring (even if they're ultimately rejected or heavily modified).
I actually don't mind some of those suggestions being "extreme left" (for America's political spectrum... It's center/ center-left for much of Europe), as it may force some wary Dems/ centrists to compromise faster and accept at least moderately-liberal positions, now that they're not being perceived as the extreme ones.
Also, I don't think AOC is really in that much trouble. She's eloquent and consistently going viral for positive reasons, her suggestions are overwhelmingly favorable by the American public, and the only people who I've seen strawman the GND are some conservatives who haven't read it and just listen to Fox News mischaracterize it. AOC speaks like she's still in high school....not something i'd describe as eloquent Also are there any sources on her suggestions being "overwhelmingly favorable" ? Based on what i see (anecdotal) she is usually considered a joke of a politician She's young and unpolished, so I'm willing to give her a pass on the speaking skills. She communicates well enough over social media anyway. Considering that 30-second soundbites are the primary weapons of politics, she's well-ahead of the curve on communications. I agree. I was just saying she isnt eloquent at the moment lol I don't think it really matters. She's not going to last. Her vacuous ideas don't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. She may stay where she is in Congress for a while because it's not a competitive district (unless she gets primaried, which is a real possibility), but she's not going to advance further. Ah yes, her major failing is that her biggest ideas don't hold up under scrutiny. Meanwhile, you defend to the hilt a man who campaigns and rallies on a border wall. Which holds up so much better. I'd rather my taxes go towards a border wall than AOC's ridiculous plans
Literally... saving... the... world... !?
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