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On March 14 2019 00:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 21:54 farvacola wrote:
I’m reveling in what this says about the kids involved, though as has already been said many times over since the story hit, everyone thought this pay for play garbage was basically allowed lol haha yeah, count me as one of these. I'm not surprised at all to find rich people paying for their kids to get accepted to colleges they're not academically qualified for, I'm surprised to find that it wasn't actually legal, with how commonplace it seemingly has been.
Watching the news last night, paying for your kids is the 'back door' or college admissions, and while it IS legal, and is done a lot, it is not 100%.
The reason this scam is worse is because it is 100%.
Bribing the whole college isn't the way to go, got to bribe the college admissions
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Manafort's 2nd sentencing is underway. He's pleading for leniency like he got from the other judge.
His other sentence was on the extreme limit of leniency given, better than people that the government recommend a low sentence for.
A USA TODAY analysis of the U.S. Sentencing Commission's data found that Manafort received the type of sentencing available only to people who cooperated with the government. And his 47-month punishment is lower than those of many defendants who prosecutors deemed as cooperative.
Manafort's lawyers have asserted that he cooperated with the special counsel, citing about a dozen interviews with prosecutors totaling more than 50 hours. But prosecutors disputed that that amounted to cooperation, saying Manafort had failed to provide useful information and had lied to investigators and to a grand jury.
The analysis found that of the nearly 67,000 defendants sentenced in federal courts in the 2017 fiscal year, 308 whose guideline calculations called for them to serve at least 15 years in prison wound up receiving less than five years. The majority of these defendants received this kind of break in sentencing because the government asked for it and because they cooperated with prosecutors.
Manafort, whom prosecutors did not believe substantially cooperated, received a sentence below that. In fact, of those 308 cases, there's was one fraud case in which the sentence was comparable to Manafort's. It involved a defendant in New York who faced a recommended minimum of 188 months and was sentenced to 30 months. source
This judge doesn't seem to believe in the blameless life that Ellis did
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Considering we learned that Trump has been threatening the schools he went to? I don't think there is much need to speculate.
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The heavier charges are in the DC case for which Manafort is being sentenced today. What happened in Virginia is comparatively irrelevant.
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An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc).
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On March 14 2019 01:09 On_Slaught wrote:
An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc).
Is increasing the chances he dies in prison your hope on those guilty of financial crimes? Maybe drug crimes as well?
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On March 14 2019 01:32 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:09 On_Slaught wrote:
An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc). Is increasing the chances he dies in prison your hope on those guilty of financial crimes? Maybe drug crimes as well?
Cut the faux concern nonsense and whataboutism. Manafort gets off easy no matter what at this point, for everything he's done. And no, we don't treat white collar crime anywhere near harshly enough. This is still a slap on the wrist.
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On March 14 2019 01:32 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:09 On_Slaught wrote:
An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc). Is increasing the chances he dies in prison your hope on those guilty of financial crimes? Maybe drug crimes as well?
Manafort is someone who actively made the world a worse place. Oh, and he is essentially a traitor. We cant be rid of him soon enough.
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Considering that people have gotten a lot more time for so much less, I'm not really that concerned for Manafort.
Also, anyone who says "financial crimes" like they are crimes that don't matter can be ignored. Stealing money from a bank is a financial crime. Or stealing money from me directly at gun point. The term is used to make white collar crimes seem like lesser offenses.
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Manafort just got hit with 16 new NY indictments, so the odds are still good that he gets what he deserves.
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On March 14 2019 01:32 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:09 On_Slaught wrote:
An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc). Is increasing the chances he dies in prison your hope on those guilty of financial crimes? Maybe drug crimes as well?
the hope is that he serves his due time, which would’ve kept him in prison until death. do you disagree or find this otherwise unreasonable?
personally i’m in agreement with onslaught. he should be given whatever the least amount of time is to ensure he does die in prison. any more will be a distinction without a difference, and parroting onslaught again, just fodder for more bullshit from the administration/fox news (another distinction without a difference? ^^)
certainly a morbid approach to punishment, but thems the breaks when you’re a seventy year old criminal.
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Considering the fact that white collar crime always get these insane sentences, the judge had to do that or else they would have been able to appeal.
If the judge gave a proper sentence, they could have said it was bias and perhaps leveraged that into hurting Mueller. This was the right call.
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On March 14 2019 01:40 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:32 Danglars wrote:On March 14 2019 01:09 On_Slaught wrote:
An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc). Is increasing the chances he dies in prison your hope on those guilty of financial crimes? Maybe drug crimes as well? Manafort is someone who actively made the world a worse place. Oh, and he is essentially a traitor. We cant be rid of him soon enough.
Good to know. I know people who feel the same way about drug dealers. I always found the sentiment behind “increased the chances he died in prison” to be a bit macabre.
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On March 14 2019 01:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:40 On_Slaught wrote:On March 14 2019 01:32 Danglars wrote:On March 14 2019 01:09 On_Slaught wrote:
An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc). Is increasing the chances he dies in prison your hope on those guilty of financial crimes? Maybe drug crimes as well? Manafort is someone who actively made the world a worse place. Oh, and he is essentially a traitor. We cant be rid of him soon enough. Good to know. I know people who feel the same way about drug dealers. I always found the sentiment behind “increased the chances he died in prison” to be a bit macabre. I see the connection your trying to throw up but the vast vast majority of people throw into jail for way to long on drug offences are not dealers, they are users.
The left doesn't have a problem with locking up actual drug dealers and throwing away the keys.
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On March 14 2019 01:47 farvacola wrote:
Manafort just got hit with 16 new NY indictments, so the odds are still good that he gets what he deserves.
Choo choo here comes the state
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On March 14 2019 01:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:40 On_Slaught wrote:On March 14 2019 01:32 Danglars wrote:On March 14 2019 01:09 On_Slaught wrote:
An additional 43 months total in prison for Manafort. Still feels light, but w/e. Increases the chances he dies in prison and decreases the chances he is pardoned (if she had done the max Trump might have jumped on it as a biased Obama Judge going for a political hit, etc). Is increasing the chances he dies in prison your hope on those guilty of financial crimes? Maybe drug crimes as well? Manafort is someone who actively made the world a worse place. Oh, and he is essentially a traitor. We cant be rid of him soon enough. Good to know. I know people who feel the same way about drug dealers. I always found the sentiment behind “increased the chances he died in prison” to be a bit macabre.
I feel that way about drug *dealers* (not consumers). These guys make people ill and bring ruin to them for profit. No pity to be had there.
White collar crimes always have people's lives in play somewhere as well, but it's less obvious. Bringing companies to ruin by cheating on markets (thus the families behind the workers), cheating banks mean usual people get it worse at some point, owner/tenant warfare, etc etc.
Every time someone else is impacted, directly or indirectly, I have no pity for the selfish ba***rds who are a plague to society. That includes some politicians.
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Its going to be a real bummer when we find out the FAA didn't ground those Boeing 737s because the president and the secretary of defense are playing defense for Boeing. The world sort of looked to the FAA to take the lead on this stuff normally.
Also, I love how Ethiopia sent the black box to Europe, rather than to the US over the objection of the US.
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It's actually pretty damn weird that the FAA hasn't grounded the Boeing 737 max 8. Normally the FAA are among the most safety conscious of all aviation authorities, but in this case they are going against the precaution of every other aviation authority. Shouldn't they completely independent from politics anyways?
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Of course, but that isn't how the White House functions these days. And they run the FAA.
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That would be an unbelievably high level of corruption to be honest; that a safety regulator has been taken over by the interests of the companies it is supposed to be regulating, especially since the FAA has never been influenced by politics before.
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