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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 13:45:50
March 06 2019 13:44 GMT
#23701
Indeed, the goal would be maintaining energy diversity given nuclear's current limitations. Just this past cold snap, Michigan almost had the majority of its heating go down due to a single fire at the power company's natural gas plant. A woman who makes millions a year got on the television and told everyone to turn their heat down or risk the delivery system losing line pressure because of one adverse event. That's bad lol.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22662 Posts
March 06 2019 13:47 GMT
#23702
On March 06 2019 21:40 farvacola wrote:
Hot take: an Iran not constantly vilified and not forced into an oppositional posture via the US’s slavish love affair with SA and Israel would soon wind up a reliable US ally looking to liberalize itself.
Think its to soon for that. To many people alive that still remember when they rose up to remove a US installed dictatorship.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 06 2019 13:54 GMT
#23703
In terms of overt diplomacy, I think you're right, but based on what I've read and seen, Iran is ripe for the sort of subtle, commercial/cultural diplomacy that the US excels in.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9069 Posts
March 06 2019 14:37 GMT
#23704
On March 06 2019 22:54 farvacola wrote:
In terms of overt diplomacy, I think you're right, but based on what I've read and seen, Iran is ripe for the sort of subtle, commercial/cultural diplomacy that the US excels in.

And who leads this endeavor? This administration has shown inept in all facets of governing besides graft.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 06 2019 14:53 GMT
#23705
Haha, definitely not something that’ll happen under this administration, that’s for sure
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 06 2019 15:13 GMT
#23706
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 06 2019 15:25 GMT
#23707
i felt pretty good about iran liberalizing right after the nuclear deal up till around the 2016 election tbh
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 06 2019 15:36 GMT
#23708
On March 06 2019 22:44 farvacola wrote:
Indeed, the goal would be maintaining energy diversity given nuclear's current limitations. Just this past cold snap, Michigan almost had the majority of its heating go down due to a single fire at the power company's natural gas plant. A woman who makes millions a year got on the television and told everyone to turn their heat down or risk the delivery system losing line pressure because of one adverse event. That's bad lol.


I'm curious if that's an infrastructure problem or an energy diversity problem.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 06 2019 15:42 GMT
#23709
Probably moreso an infrastructure problem given that home natural gas delivery is an ideal method for home heating, but I think the two go hand in hand to some extent.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
March 06 2019 15:50 GMT
#23710
On March 07 2019 00:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
i felt pretty good about iran liberalizing right after the nuclear deal up till around the 2016 election tbh


My current manager was working there until the new sanctions hit. A lot of people like that would liberalize it slowly, though the cultural/religious police (apart from the normal one) would work against that.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
March 06 2019 15:55 GMT
#23711
On March 07 2019 00:42 farvacola wrote:
Probably moreso an infrastructure problem given that home natural gas delivery is an ideal method for home heating, but I think the two go hand in hand to some extent.


I might be misunderstanding..but ideal? It's practically stoneage. Nothing wrong with electricity and central heating.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 06 2019 15:58 GMT
#23712
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 16:09:04
March 06 2019 16:04 GMT
#23713
On March 07 2019 00:55 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 00:42 farvacola wrote:
Probably moreso an infrastructure problem given that home natural gas delivery is an ideal method for home heating, but I think the two go hand in hand to some extent.


I might be misunderstanding..but ideal? It's practically stoneage. Nothing wrong with electricity and central heating.

I should say ideal in the context of the US consumer energy marketplace, at least in deregulated states. In both Ohio and Michigan, for example, the primary method of generating electricity is natural gas, so heating with electricity is always marked up compared with direct natural gas heating. A bit of regulation on that front would go a long way, but as I understand it, there are also efficiencies in direct natural gas heating over electricity, but it’s not really something I know too well.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 06 2019 16:09 GMT
#23714
On March 07 2019 00:58 JimmiC wrote:
Trump tweeted last night that he is in 100% agreement that troops should stay in Syria. This is a huge about face. I think it is good because he is listening to his generals and military who didn't want to abandon the people they were fighting with and promised to work with.

I would be interesting to see if Trump supporters like this or if they think it shows weakness.


What, no, we have always been at war with EastAsia!
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 16:26:41
March 06 2019 16:16 GMT
#23715
Minnesota had issues with the last cold snap because the energy company couldn't pump enough natural gas through the pipes. A hundred families or people had to be moved to a local hotel to keep warm in the -60 degree wind chill.
On March 07 2019 00:55 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 00:42 farvacola wrote:
Probably moreso an infrastructure problem given that home natural gas delivery is an ideal method for home heating, but I think the two go hand in hand to some extent.


I might be misunderstanding..but ideal? It's practically stoneage. Nothing wrong with electricity and central heating.

America has natural gas like Norway has fish. In a lot of houses as well they cook with natural gas instead of electricity so the hookup works for two things.

Also minnesota is as well considering a 20 cent gas tax hike. One thing thats interesting is that repubs in the state are making noise about jacking taxes on electric vehicles somehow to pay for their damage to the roads.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 06 2019 16:39 GMT
#23716
On March 07 2019 01:16 Sermokala wrote:
America has natural gas like Norway has fish.
Just want to chuckle over the strangest analogy ever. Proportionally Norway has natural gas over and beyond anything America has. Norway has natural gas... like Norway has fish I guess?
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 16:44:38
March 06 2019 16:44 GMT
#23717
On March 06 2019 09:32 Danglars wrote:
You may remember that a Colorado baker won a case before the Supreme Court arguing that he had the right to not bake a cake that would violate his religious beliefs. The day the Supreme Court decided to hear the case, he was approached by a transgender lawyer that wanted a custom cake. He refused, and she lodged a similar complaint before the same Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

The Colorado Civil Rights Commission agreed today to dismiss the transgender attorney's complaint in exchange for Jack Phillips dropping the lawsuit. This marks the first time since 2012 that the small business owner has not been in legal jeopardy for his religious beliefs. I'm very glad that justice has finally been served.

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Another cake stand-off in Colorado—this time about a transgender celebration cake—appears to be coming to an end, with both sides agreeing to walk away.

Masterpiece Bakeshop of Lakewood, Colo., became a household name when owner Jack Phillips scrapped with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission after he refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple due to religious objections to same-sex marriage.

The case made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where the justices dodged the larger issue of whether the act of making a cake is a form or free expression protected by the First Amendment. Instead, the justices ruled in a 7-2 decision that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission had not been a neutral arbiter examining the rights of all parties involved, and had, in fact, expressed hostility toward Phillips' religious rights in its decision.

While that case was making its way up the courts, a transgender attorney contacted Phillips claiming she wanted to have a custom cake made to celebrate her identity, saying she wanted one with a blue exterior and pink interior.

Phillips also has religious objections to recognizing transgender identities, and so he declined to make the cake. The lawyer, Autumn Scardina, filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, who went after Phillips again. Phillips responded with a lawsuit of his own, arguing that the state was targeting him because of his religious beliefs.

Today, both the State of Colorado and Phillips have agreed to drop litigation in the case after the Commission said it would dismiss the complaint if Phillips dropped his lawsuit. Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser seemed to realize this wasn't a test case that was going to lead to a different outcome:

"After careful consideration of the facts, both sides agreed it was not in anyone's best interest to move forward with these cases. The larger constitutional issues might well be decided down the road, but these cases will not be the vehicle for resolving them. Equal justice for all will continue to be a core value that we will uphold as we enforce our state's and nation's civil rights laws."

This was most certainly the right call by Colorado. As I noted when this case began winding through the courts, it seemed pretty clear that this was an attempt to require Phillips to create a cake that expressed a particular belief. Central to the wedding cake fight was whether a wedding cake inherently sent a message and whether the baker was being forced to express support for same-sex marriage if he was required to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. Is a wedding cake truly a message of support for same-sex marriage, or is it just a shape?

In this case, the color of the cake requested by the lawyer was clearly intended to serve as a message. There are a number of Supreme Court precedents establishing that businesses typically cannot be forced by the government to transmit or include messages with which they disagree. Bakers cannot be forced to make cakes that support transgender identities. This is a necessary component of free speech, one that also protects bakers who do not wish to make cakes that celebrate white nationalism, or transmit other kinds of messages they find offensive. It should come as no surprise that the law protects the rights of vendors. If white nationalists—or literally anyone else—wants to message with marzipan, they are free to make their own cakes.

Reason



He shouldn't have dropped his case. He was obviously getting targeted. I think it would have a more interesting outcome, but I understand taking the safe way out.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 16:46:37
March 06 2019 16:46 GMT
#23718
On March 07 2019 01:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 01:16 Sermokala wrote:
America has natural gas like Norway has fish.
Just want to chuckle over the strangest analogy ever. Proportionally Norway has natural gas over and beyond anything America has. Norway has natural gas... like Norway has fish I guess?


If I'm not mistaken, we're going to be the worlds biggest exporter of Natural gas once Johan Sverdrup is up and running. But we don't use any of it ourselves. Only a few minorities of houses still uses gas (and according to my brother who used to own one, it's a real pain), and zero of our power plants does.

We like to sit high on our horses scoffing at everyone still using fossil fuels while we provide it to them..
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 17:55:35
March 06 2019 17:33 GMT
#23719
And that we can all agree is the most important thing. To feel superior. Damn smug Norwegians and their dirty oil money. : )
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 17:39:07
March 06 2019 17:37 GMT
#23720
On March 07 2019 01:46 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 01:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 07 2019 01:16 Sermokala wrote:
America has natural gas like Norway has fish.
Just want to chuckle over the strangest analogy ever. Proportionally Norway has natural gas over and beyond anything America has. Norway has natural gas... like Norway has fish I guess?


If I'm not mistaken, we're going to be the worlds biggest exporter of Natural gas once Johan Sverdrup is up and running. But we don't use any of it ourselves. Only a few minorities of houses still uses gas (and according to my brother who used to own one, it's a real pain), and zero of our power plants does.

We like to sit high on our horses scoffing at everyone still using fossil fuels while we provide it to them..


Natural gas is still less damaging than coal to my knowledge. My state (Michigan) in the United States wanted to close 3 coal factories and open 1 natural gas one instead. Yet there were protests.

DTE pledged to increase renewable energy to 25% in the next few years, and end coal usage by 2040, but I guess it's not enough of a start. They also pledge to be on 100% renewable by 2050.
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