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On January 17 2019 02:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2019 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Is anyone in the SS actually furloughed? I always just assumed they are all deemed 'critical' and working without pay. Working without pay. I think they fall under the same funding as border agents and the FBI. FYI: This shit is so stupid that the goverment failed to pay is monthly 5 million dollar water bill to DC.(That is like all of the goverment)
What the hell is the WH doing that it has a 5 mill monthly water bill? Is it for every Gov building in DC?
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I wonder why we don't see uprisings like there have been in France. Things are getting pretty egregious by this point. In the weekly scandal cycle since 2016 I think this has been the most impactful to the American people. Well, if we ignore the more quiet and long term deregulations and such.
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On January 17 2019 03:13 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2019 02:43 Plansix wrote:On January 17 2019 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Is anyone in the SS actually furloughed? I always just assumed they are all deemed 'critical' and working without pay. Working without pay. I think they fall under the same funding as border agents and the FBI. FYI: This shit is so stupid that the goverment failed to pay is monthly 5 million dollar water bill to DC.(That is like all of the goverment) What the hell is the WH doing that it has a 5 mill monthly water bill? Is it for every Gov building in DC?
I’m pretty sure it is for the whole government. I doubt they bill each branch of the government separately. Though that would be funny.
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On January 17 2019 03:17 Starlightsun wrote:
I wonder why we don't see uprisings like there have been in France. Things are getting pretty egregious by this point. In the weekly scandal cycle since 2016 I think this has been the most impactful to the American people. Well, if we ignore the more quiet and long term deregulations and such.
Because the French have never backed down from causing a ruckus when they think one is warranted. Americans are too complacent.
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The French have has a "successful"l history of uprisings. America has had one successful one and the rest have been violently put down.
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Nationally we don’t really have uprisings. It is hard to get the entire country fired up about one thing. But we have had plenty of local uprisings that have caused change. Like the labor and civil rights movement. It is just a question of scale and time zones.
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Give this shutdown a while longer as public servants run out of savings and your going to have mass protests.
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Having Trump submit the speech while at the same time reading it from the Oval Office seems like an excellent way to wind down that awful spectacle. Start a trend!
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Heard something on talk radio about the new dems getting mad at the old dems for not attending the meetings with trump. They want them to compromise on the wall and get the government running again.
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On January 17 2019 05:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Heard something on talk radio about the new dems getting mad at the old dems for not attending the meetings with trump. They want them to compromise on the wall and get the government running again. One does not negotiate with terrorists.
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The centrists democrats from mid western states have always been all about compromise with the Republicans. They just won back a ton of seats in red states, so they want to appear to be willing to work with Trump. Their plan of compromising before forcing the government to reopen is stupid, however. If they give in now, Trump will use this threat on everything he wants for the next two years.
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there was a politico article a few days ago about how new moderates from red districts were in panic mode. I think Pelosi people said they just had jitters from being new. but there have been a few stories to that effect, and those new members are making big shows about how they want to work together, so there is real opportunity there.
also saw that the wall is far more popular among RV than adults in general, which might be something they are watching.
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The new House democrats are worried about their jobs 2 years from now. But the party leadership is worried about the party 10 years from now and winning in 2020. They can’t do that by losing the first fight after being sworn in by caving to a bully.
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It's amazing how well McConnell seems to have avoided anywhere near the amount of blame he deserves for this whole ordeal since he is completely unwilling to work on any veto-proof options to re-open the government despite that being very much in his power.
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On January 17 2019 05:38 Introvert wrote:
there was a politico article a few days ago about how new moderates from red districts were in panic mode. I think Pelosi people said they just had jitters from being new. but there have been a few stories to that effect, and those new members are making big shows about how they want to work together, so there is real opportunity there.
also saw that the wall is far more popular among RV than adults in general, which might be something they are watching.
but after a midterm election with huge turnout, and a 2020 that is going to be huge as well, going just off RV is a mistake I think. There are going to be a lot more voters come 2 years from now
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On January 17 2019 06:26 Logo wrote:
It's amazing how well McConnell seems to have avoided anywhere near the amount of blame he deserves for this whole ordeal since he is completely unwilling to work on any veto-proof options to re-open the government despite that being very much in his power.
That's how. McConnell hasn't done anything but inaction so it's difficult to write about his involvement. He's effectively avoided being part of the negotiation but at the same time has shielded Trump from using a veto and his party looking too involved by not allowing votes on the house bills. Effectively making this a Trump vs democrats, it's a pretty smart play for McConnell as if he really wants to he can throw Trump under the bus after awhile and make it look like the GOP is not the issue only Trump. Ofc the only way that would happen is if Trump's numbers really plummet. Right now all it does is somewhat insulate the GOP from the issue, win win for McConnell.
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On January 17 2019 06:41 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2019 06:26 Logo wrote:
It's amazing how well McConnell seems to have avoided anywhere near the amount of blame he deserves for this whole ordeal since he is completely unwilling to work on any veto-proof options to re-open the government despite that being very much in his power. That's how. McConnell hasn't done anything but inaction so it's difficult to write about his involvement. He's effectively avoided being part of the negotiation but at the same time has shielded Trump from using a veto and his party looking too involved by not allowing votes on the house bills. Effectively making this a Trump vs democrats, it's a pretty smart play for McConnell as if he really wants to he can throw Trump under the bus after awhile and make it look like the GOP is not the issue only Trump. Ofc the only way that would happen is if Trump's numbers really plummet. Right now all it does is somewhat insulate the GOP from the issue, win win for McConnell.
Yeah, but it's also an obvious play. So it's amazing the democrats are doing the predictable thing of focusing their attention on Trump rather than directing the messaging and attention to McConnell.
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McConnell is the king of keeping his head down and not giving a shit. Sadly, as Trump is the foil for Pelosi, McConnell doesn’t get any of the credit for being a blight on Congress and a bootlicker for the Executive branch. A lot of problems in Washington could be solved by removing him from Republican leadership.
On January 17 2019 06:44 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2019 06:41 semantics wrote:On January 17 2019 06:26 Logo wrote:
It's amazing how well McConnell seems to have avoided anywhere near the amount of blame he deserves for this whole ordeal since he is completely unwilling to work on any veto-proof options to re-open the government despite that being very much in his power. That's how. McConnell hasn't done anything but inaction so it's difficult to write about his involvement. He's effectively avoided being part of the negotiation but at the same time has shielded Trump from using a veto and his party looking too involved by not allowing votes on the house bills. Effectively making this a Trump vs democrats, it's a pretty smart play for McConnell as if he really wants to he can throw Trump under the bus after awhile and make it look like the GOP is not the issue only Trump. Ofc the only way that would happen is if Trump's numbers really plummet. Right now all it does is somewhat insulate the GOP from the issue, win win for McConnell. Yeah, but it's also an obvious play. So it's amazing the democrats are doing the predictable thing of focusing their attention on Trump rather than directing the messaging and attention to McConnell.
Trump bring the attention to himself. McConnell just needs to stay out of the way and avoid saying shit when a microphone is around. He isn’t a moron like Trump and won’t engage in a losing fight.
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On January 17 2019 06:44 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2019 06:41 semantics wrote:On January 17 2019 06:26 Logo wrote:
It's amazing how well McConnell seems to have avoided anywhere near the amount of blame he deserves for this whole ordeal since he is completely unwilling to work on any veto-proof options to re-open the government despite that being very much in his power. That's how. McConnell hasn't done anything but inaction so it's difficult to write about his involvement. He's effectively avoided being part of the negotiation but at the same time has shielded Trump from using a veto and his party looking too involved by not allowing votes on the house bills. Effectively making this a Trump vs democrats, it's a pretty smart play for McConnell as if he really wants to he can throw Trump under the bus after awhile and make it look like the GOP is not the issue only Trump. Ofc the only way that would happen is if Trump's numbers really plummet. Right now all it does is somewhat insulate the GOP from the issue, win win for McConnell. Yeah, but it's also an obvious play. So it's amazing the democrats are doing the predictable thing of focusing their attention on Trump rather than directing the messaging and attention to McConnell.
Who do you think is easier to change their mind and pressure, Trump or McConnell.
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On January 17 2019 07:17 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2019 06:44 Logo wrote:On January 17 2019 06:41 semantics wrote:On January 17 2019 06:26 Logo wrote:
It's amazing how well McConnell seems to have avoided anywhere near the amount of blame he deserves for this whole ordeal since he is completely unwilling to work on any veto-proof options to re-open the government despite that being very much in his power. That's how. McConnell hasn't done anything but inaction so it's difficult to write about his involvement. He's effectively avoided being part of the negotiation but at the same time has shielded Trump from using a veto and his party looking too involved by not allowing votes on the house bills. Effectively making this a Trump vs democrats, it's a pretty smart play for McConnell as if he really wants to he can throw Trump under the bus after awhile and make it look like the GOP is not the issue only Trump. Ofc the only way that would happen is if Trump's numbers really plummet. Right now all it does is somewhat insulate the GOP from the issue, win win for McConnell. Yeah, but it's also an obvious play. So it's amazing the democrats are doing the predictable thing of focusing their attention on Trump rather than directing the messaging and attention to McConnell. Who do you think is easier to change their mind and pressure, Trump or McConnell.
This is a tough call. On the one hand, it was quite easy for Vladimir And Donald to convince Senate Republicans to stick with lifting sanctions on Russian oligarch OLEG DERIPASKA. But convincing them that the Coast Guard should be paid for protecting our borders? That is tough. McConnell might come around if some Russian billionaires start getting hurt by the shutdown, but until then Republicans are quite willing to let the people keeping our borders secure go unpaid.
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