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Plansix
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 18 2019 02:17 Plansix wrote: There seems to be this vague rumor about Dems breaking ranks. But that seems to have been effectively killed by the polling out today that shows the overwhelming majority of Americas hate this shut down, don’t want the wall and think that using the shutdown as leverage is bad. But has there been any reporting on it? Where did this rumor come from | ||
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farvacola
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ticklishmusic
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beyond that, i bet the whisperings of dems breaking ranks were started by someone on the other side. also, pelosi rules her caucus with an iron fist. | ||
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Plansix
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On January 18 2019 03:13 Plansix wrote: I doubt she is going to give up the only power democrats have had in congress since 2010 over a few grumpy conservative democrats. And I doubt the conservatives are going to be giddy to break ranks with the recent polling. After all, they need independents to get re-elected. And independents hate that wall. I doubt that anyone should be relying on any polling now and in the future considering the recent revelations from Cohen. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 18 2019 03:18 Trainrunnef wrote: I doubt that anyone should be relying on any polling now and in the future considering the recent revelations from Cohen. Weren't those click polls? Something super easy to manipulate | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On January 18 2019 02:23 farvacola wrote: Thin margins don't matter when no one cares about what happened today in 2 years.Elissa Slotkin, a newly elected Congresswoman from Michigan, has said that she wants both sides to come to the table. She also won her district by razor thin margins and represents a fairly conservative group of people, so that’s to be expected. The Detroit Free Press has done some reporting on it. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
(also, Trump still hilariously lost both polls) Edit: There might have been successful or attempted bribing of real pollsters, but that seems like it would have gone public first if papers had any evidence-much bigger bombshell. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 18 2019 03:18 Trainrunnef wrote: I doubt that anyone should be relying on any polling now and in the future considering the recent revelations from Cohen. All polls were not created equal. The NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll is not a clicker poll and posts methodology. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On January 18 2019 03:39 Gorsameth wrote: Thin margins don't matter when no one cares about what happened today in 2 years. You’re free to inform politicians like Ms. Slotkin of that, if you’d like. | ||
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Ayaz2810
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Wulfey_LA
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On January 18 2019 04:23 Ayaz2810 wrote: So the day Graham went from being a Trump critic to being his lapdog was the same day they golfed together. What do you want to bet that was the day Trump told him that the Kremlin possessed his emails from the hack and detailed some of the contents? This is not the usual "supporting your party" or "supporting your President". I guarantee we will find out something is hanging over his head before this is through. Alternatively, multi decade Senator Graham is a shrewd Republican politician from a red state that takes its red seriously. Graham could also have correctly read the political winds that the Republican party is the Trump party. Trump didn't just win the Republican primary, he blew it out. There was no second place. Graham has blown in the political winds for decades and decisively kept his seat despite obviously being a gay man (he puts his sister in his campaign picture to make it look like he dates women). The real bullshitters are the nevertrumpers and anti-anti-Trumpers who think the Republican party isn't the party of Trump. Graham has a much better read on the state of the modern Republican party and who they would primary. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Let's not kid ourselves. These Republicans know Trump is a fucking idiot. He is literally the dumbest person in every room he enters yet he usually is the one in charge of what goes on in those rooms. Graham, and the other savvy Republicans, will be the first to throw Trump under the bus once they have any political room to. The rats are praying for a life boat to escape the Titanic. | ||
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Plansix
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On a side now, the President can’t restrict a congress member’s travel. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 18 2019 04:46 Plansix wrote: Trump just tried to cancel Pelosi’s trip to a combat zone, while also dropping the details of a congress member’s trip to a combat zone. On a side now, the President can’t restrict a congress member’s travel. And on another note, Pelosi had already postponed the trip because of the shutdown. She canceled recess, so presumably she was going to be in town anyways. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 18 2019 04:27 Wulfey_LA wrote: Alternatively, multi decade Senator Graham is a shrewd Republican politician from a red state that takes its red seriously. Graham could also have correctly read the political winds that the Republican party is the Trump party. Trump didn't just win the Republican primary, he blew it out. There was no second place. Graham has blown in the political winds for decades and decisively kept his seat despite obviously being a gay man (he puts his sister in his campaign picture to make it look like he dates women). The real bullshitters are the nevertrumpers and anti-anti-Trumpers who think the Republican party isn't the party of Trump. Graham has a much better read on the state of the modern Republican party and who they would primary. To be fair, the blowout victory was as much a product of the Wild West Republican "first past the post some places but not others" delegate apportionment system as it was of actual popular support in the primary. Before Kasich and Cruz were all that was left and self-destructed by nakedly saying you should vote for the other in some states, Trump consistently struggled to crack 50% support once people voted, and overall he still only got 45% of the votes despite having 70% of the delegates-he was a plurality candidate, not a majority one, which makes it hard to say what would have happened if it had just been a Sanders vs Clinton scenario. Of course, if the primaries were reheld today they would be a blowout against any other R. Charitably, because he delivered on what many thought he would back out of; less charitably, because the Republican primary electorate has totally abandoned the idea that being a perpetual liar is a worrisome attribute (this is in fact now a virtue) even if the politicians still pay lip service to the idea-with that lip service showing signs of falling off as well. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 18 2019 04:51 ticklishmusic wrote: And on another note, Pelosi had already postponed the trip because of the shutdown. She canceled recess, so presumably she was going to be in town anyways. It also begs to question what about all the other congress members who have trips out of the country planned. Are those canceled? | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 18 2019 05:05 Plansix wrote: It also begs to question what about all the other congress members who have trips out of the country planned. Are those canceled? Of course not, its just Pelosi. It is also kidna funny to be honest | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: apparently we also stood up NATO commanders and our allies. We have reached the petulant child part of the presidency where he dares congress to limit his powers. | ||
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