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Sermokala

United States14153 Posts

January 17 2019 01:37 GMT

#20801

I think Mcconnell would have gotten a deal and opened the government by now if it really were up to him either way. He made a deal before the shutdown even happened and got it passed (not entirely sure on that) but Trump decided to veto it . I think trumps cares more about the image of him winning more then anything real. This shutdown is going to last until the dems cave or they're able to pick off enough GOP votes to get a veto buster.

Gahlo

United States35173 Posts

January 17 2019 01:48 GMT

#20802

Speaking of lord turtle being able to hide blame for the shutdown, AOC has noticed.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/818180/mitch-mcconnell-only-reason-trump-hasnt-seen-spending-bill-says-alexandria-ocasiocortez

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

January 17 2019 03:04 GMT

#20803

Yeah McConnell is laying low because before the shutdown, Congress passed a bill to keep the govt open and expected trump to sign, but then he changed his mind. The shutdown is trumps fault, as he stated himself unequivocally. I dont think the public is okay with shutdown threats being a component of negotiations. This is why trumps approvals are tanking. It's very bad for him but he's a political beginner so he may not realize it.

Personally I wonder whether a president who shuts down the government and asserts that it is his shutdown and that it was his idea is taking care to faithfully execute the laws. He is in fact shutting down the execution of laws. A shutdown is supposed to be an exercise by Congress of its power of the purse (according to the Republican reasoning used to justify the 2014 shutdown). Clearly the current shutdown was initiated by the president so I dont imagine they have a real argument to defend it.

sigh_so_sad

1 Post

January 17 2019 05:48 GMT

#20804

On January 17 2019 08:59 Wulfey_LA wrote:

This is a tough call. On the one hand, it was quite easy for Vladimir And Donald to convince Senate Republicans to stick with lifting sanctions on Russian oligarch OLEG DERIPASKA.

Europe wanted the sanctions dropped...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-11/europe-backs-mnuchin-s-bid-to-lift-sanctions-on-deripaska-firms

Ambassadors to the U.S. representing the U.K., France, Germany and the European Union are among those who wrote a joint letter addressed to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Foreign Affairs Chairman Eliot Engel saying that lifting the sanctions would “safeguard” more than 75,000 workers across the EU’s aluminum industry.

Do you not care about your precious NATO allies?

User was banned for being a PBU.

Excludos

Norway8266 Posts

January 17 2019 08:41 GMT

#20805

On January 17 2019 06:26 Logo wrote:
It's amazing how well McConnell seems to have avoided anywhere near the amount of blame he deserves for this whole ordeal since he is completely unwilling to work on any veto-proof options to re-open the government despite that being very much in his power.

If r/politics is anything to go by (which, granted, is rather left leaning right now), then at least 1/3 of articles posted on the subject blames Mitch for not not doing his job. It hasn't gone under the radar for the people who already hate him, but it might very well do for republicans who doesn't see through his shenanigans.

iamthedave

England2814 Posts

January 17 2019 09:09 GMT

#20806

What's a PBU (two posts up)?

Worrying signs that some of the Dems are wavering. They're done if they cave on this. How many need to break ranks before Trump can get what he wants without the mainline Democrats?

Gorsameth

Netherlands22440 Posts

January 17 2019 09:22 GMT

#20807

On January 17 2019 18:09 iamthedave wrote:
What's a PBU (two posts up)?

Worrying signs that some of the Dems are wavering. They're done if they cave on this. How many need to break ranks before Trump can get what he wants without the mainline Democrats?

Previously Banned User.

19 Dems need to break ranks if all Republicans vote in favor (which they may not do), but doesn't Pelosi control what gets voted on, in the same way McConnel does?

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

January 17 2019 11:48 GMT

#20808

Even Trump’s base is unhappy with the job he is doing. The amount of people set to vote against the president in 2020 is sky high. Obama at he worst was at 47% and 48% of voters voting against him. We are starting to see his control slip without the House Republicans to cover for him and his mistakes.

iamthedave

England2814 Posts

January 17 2019 12:19 GMT

#20809

Eh. That's what they say now. You know as well as I do that come election time things will be different. As has been pointed out in the other thread, the last two times the Republicans 'lost' shutdowns it went on to have very little affect on their electability (with one leading directly into the Republicans taking both houses of Congress from Obama).

Polling while people aren't been paid and are pissed off is always going to lead to these kinds of results.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

January 17 2019 15:11 GMT

#20810

Mueller's report will have the final say on how 2020 goes anyways, so polls concerning an election almost 2 years away I take with a grain of salt

BTW, got to love Guiliani changing his defense from "there was no collusion " to "The campaign may have colluded but Trump didnt." If Guiliani changing his stance is a barometer for how much trouble Trump is in, then we are in Def Con 2.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

January 17 2019 15:19 GMT

#20811

Damn I called it. Trump looking into getting McConnell to invite him to the Senate. Who knows if it will work but something like this should be expected with him as president. Norms and laws are secondary to his whims.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

January 17 2019 15:21 GMT

#20812

mcconnell has covered for trump thus far by preventing the senate from voting on a government funding bill. however, i'm questioning if he'd go to those lengths - like, he's got to see what a farce that would be, right?

KOFgokuon

United States14912 Posts

January 17 2019 15:24 GMT

#20813

He doesn’t care

He has ultimate cover from trump

TheTenthDoc

United States9561 Posts

January 17 2019 15:30 GMT

#20814

As if we needed more evidence online clicker polls are a pile of hot garbage, apparently Cohen rigged several on Trump's behest during the election season. I always wonder if Trump's mentality when he retweeted or spoke about results like this being "the right ones" was straight up lying or delusion that he's rigging them to be where they should have been in the first place.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

January 17 2019 15:32 GMT

#20815

McConnell will cave the instant he knows that Republicans will break ranks and force a vote. Moments before they have to break with party leadership, he will drop his hard line and let them off the hook. He has done this forever.

The only way McConnell doesn’t do this is if someone pulls a McCain and breaks ranks without messaging anything to leadership. But they would need several senators to join with Democrats to do this, so its unlikely.

And Trump’s plan to be invited to the Senate is super funny. Just feed the democrats more B-roll of Trump forcing people to protect him and the Republicans without pay.

farvacola

United States18865 Posts

January 17 2019 15:46 GMT

#20816

I bet McConnell declines to invite Trump to give the SotU before the Senate precisely because it will highlight how much executive bootlicking GOP senators have been doing

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

January 17 2019 16:12 GMT

#20817

Now the White House is asserting that the State of the Union can happen and there are no security concerns. I don’t think the people making those statements realize they will be called before the House to detail exactly how they made that determination. They also seem to be making some half hearted attempt to claim that the Speaker of the House can’t cancel the State of the Union.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

January 17 2019 16:39 GMT

#20818

if trump really tried to force the issue, i suppose we could see a hilarious standoff between the house sergeant at arms vs the secret service or something.

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

January 17 2019 16:43 GMT

#20819

On January 18 2019 01:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
if trump really tried to force the issue, i suppose we could see a hilarious standoff between the house sergeant at arms vs the secret service or something.

I doubt it. Secret Service is there to prevent Trump from being hurt/hurting himself.
They'll probably talk to the House sergeant at arms, like reasonable people, and help prevent Trump from entering.

Likely, it's something that they've planned for already