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Keep the discussion ON TOPIC. This thread is for discussing the terror attacks in Paris.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 13 2015 22:22 GMT
#61
On November 14 2015 07:20 heliusx wrote:
People assume Muslim because they have been subjected to repeated attacks by Muslim terrorists. Why is that hard to comprehend?

Yes, that is how prejudices works. Just like the store owner who is shitty to teenagers because one teen stole from him years ago.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 13 2015 22:22 GMT
#62
On November 14 2015 07:21 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:17 AngryMag wrote:
That really sucks. Condolences to the victim's families and friends.


I wrote the same comment under the thread regarding the CH massacre. This will continue to happen until we as western societies and the muslim minorities living in them honestly discuss muslim extremism and its legitimization via salafist ideology based on the muslimic holy book. We need to aim for a point where we can find a consensus where people say "hear young muslimic dude you shouldn't take this line in the koran literally you should rather see the totally different times and context in which it was written".
This ideology still gets tolerated in our socities (by muslims and nonmuslims) despite its facist nature.Our societies should put the gloves off against these guys and stop allowing them to hind themselves behind the freedom of religion line. Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to facism and it doesn't mean to agitate the youth for violent means either.

But I am sceptical I don't think that we are at a point where we can honestly discuss these things. Tomorrow we will hear the usual defense "these weren't muslims" brought up by politicians and people working for muslimic organisations. Of course they were muslims incited to kill inferior nonmuslims by other muslims in France and abroad. I fear a lot more people will die until we tackle these extremism in our societies.

the problem is, the people currently in power dont want to talk about this, and eventually the population will get fed up and elect the (often unpleasant) people who are willing to deal with this.

wait until it happens again in 2016 because you can be sure it's gonna happen again and the Front National is gonna have a free road
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 13 2015 22:23 GMT
#63
On November 14 2015 07:20 heliusx wrote:
People assume Muslim because they have been subjected to repeated attacks by Muslim terrorists. Why is that hard to comprehend?


Dude, what did i just say?
On track to MA1950A.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6351 Posts
November 13 2015 22:23 GMT
#64
On November 14 2015 07:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Now they say 40 dead


and 100+ hostages

What's the context for the hostages? Like all in one location?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
November 13 2015 22:23 GMT
#65
I can't believe this is happening again.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
November 13 2015 22:23 GMT
#66
Oh god...

I'm close from Paris, this is scary as fuck.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
November 13 2015 22:24 GMT
#67
On November 14 2015 07:22 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:21 ahswtini wrote:
On November 14 2015 07:17 AngryMag wrote:
That really sucks. Condolences to the victim's families and friends.


I wrote the same comment under the thread regarding the CH massacre. This will continue to happen until we as western societies and the muslim minorities living in them honestly discuss muslim extremism and its legitimization via salafist ideology based on the muslimic holy book. We need to aim for a point where we can find a consensus where people say "hear young muslimic dude you shouldn't take this line in the koran literally you should rather see the totally different times and context in which it was written".
This ideology still gets tolerated in our socities (by muslims and nonmuslims) despite its facist nature.Our societies should put the gloves off against these guys and stop allowing them to hind themselves behind the freedom of religion line. Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to facism and it doesn't mean to agitate the youth for violent means either.

But I am sceptical I don't think that we are at a point where we can honestly discuss these things. Tomorrow we will hear the usual defense "these weren't muslims" brought up by politicians and people working for muslimic organisations. Of course they were muslims incited to kill inferior nonmuslims by other muslims in France and abroad. I fear a lot more people will die until we tackle these extremism in our societies.

the problem is, the people currently in power dont want to talk about this, and eventually the population will get fed up and elect the (often unpleasant) people who are willing to deal with this.

wait until it happens again in 2016 because you can be sure it's gonna happen again and the Front National is gonna have a free road

yes, marine le pen getting a free ride into power. who also happens to be good buddies with putin.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 22:25:30
November 13 2015 22:24 GMT
#68
On November 14 2015 07:17 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:15 m4ini wrote:
On November 14 2015 07:11 WhiteDog wrote:
A guy heard "Allahu Akbar" before the shootings. There may still be shootings in the place of republic.


Not ruling out muslim terrorist, but Allahu Akbar is not restricted to terrorists, it's used the same way we say "oh my god".

Again: i agree it looks alot like "the usual culprit", but since we literally now nothing, that prejudice is quite disturbing.


the real disturbing thing is that people are getting shot in the streets of Paris. People jumping to a conclusion based on their own personal opinion about recent world events isn't that bad. Let's be honest.

A guy said "it's for syria" and then shot.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 13 2015 22:24 GMT
#69
On November 14 2015 07:23 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Now they say 40 dead
https://twitter.com/stefandevries/status/665290341357125632

and 100+ hostages

What's the context for the hostages? Like all in one location?


They seem to be all in the Bataclan, yes. At least from what i gather of the news.
On track to MA1950A.
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
November 13 2015 22:25 GMT
#70
Lol @ people talking about prejudices. We know who is doing this here in France.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 13 2015 22:25 GMT
#71
On November 14 2015 07:23 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Now they say 40 dead
https://twitter.com/stefandevries/status/665290341357125632

and 100+ hostages

What's the context for the hostages? Like all in one location?

Yeah, it's in le Bataclan, a concert hall, during a rock concert. O'Gaming did a show there a couple of years ago.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 22:26:19
November 13 2015 22:25 GMT
#72
[image loading]
map of locations where attacks have occurred


On November 14 2015 07:23 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Now they say 40 dead
https://twitter.com/stefandevries/status/665290341357125632

and 100+ hostages

What's the context for the hostages? Like all in one location?

I belive so. At the Bataclan Theater. Seems like there was metal concert.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 13 2015 22:25 GMT
#73
On November 14 2015 07:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:20 heliusx wrote:
People assume Muslim because they have been subjected to repeated attacks by Muslim terrorists. Why is that hard to comprehend?

Yes, that is how prejudices works. Just like the store owner who is shitty to teenagers because one teen stole from him years ago.

That's hardly a fair comparison.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Himmel
Profile Joined January 2009
United States68 Posts
November 13 2015 22:26 GMT
#74
On November 14 2015 07:25 Maluk wrote:
Lol @ people talking about prejudices. We know who is doing this here in France.


Seriously are people blind?
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 22:27:35
November 13 2015 22:26 GMT
#75
On November 14 2015 07:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:20 heliusx wrote:
People assume Muslim because they have been subjected to repeated attacks by Muslim terrorists. Why is that hard to comprehend?

Yes, that is how prejudices works. Just like the store owner who is shitty to teenagers because one teen stole from him years ago.


You seem to conflict two things here. Thinking that by default it's because of Syria and from muslim extremist, because it's simply the most likely in 2015 in France, is not the same thing as having prejudices against all muslims.

Sure it's always better to have all information but it's very likely that's what is happening right now.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 22:28:32
November 13 2015 22:26 GMT
#76
On November 14 2015 07:24 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:17 OmniEulogy wrote:
On November 14 2015 07:15 m4ini wrote:
On November 14 2015 07:11 WhiteDog wrote:
A guy heard "Allahu Akbar" before the shootings. There may still be shootings in the place of republic.


Not ruling out muslim terrorist, but Allahu Akbar is not restricted to terrorists, it's used the same way we say "oh my god".

Again: i agree it looks alot like "the usual culprit", but since we literally now nothing, that prejudice is quite disturbing.


the real disturbing thing is that people are getting shot in the streets of Paris. People jumping to a conclusion based on their own personal opinion about recent world events isn't that bad. Let's be honest.

Seriously at this point it is pure stupidity. A guy said "it's for syria" and then shot. Stop blinding yourself and accept facts... Who do you think did it ?
Eye witnesses testimony is considered one of the more unreliable forms of evidence and the attack is ongoing. Saying that people are jumping to conclusions without all the facts is 100% accurate.

I agree that is likely terrorism from the middle east, but I can hold on for a couple hours to have that confirmed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 22:27:26
November 13 2015 22:26 GMT
#77
On November 14 2015 07:25 Maluk wrote:
Lol @ people talking about prejudices. We know who is doing this here in France.

You know? Come on now.
Let's put it this way; I mean would I be that surprised? Not really, but I don't have such a prejudice that I automatically assume that it's fact.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
November 13 2015 22:28 GMT
#78
Allegedly eyewitnesses heard the guys with AKs yelling "Allahu Akbar." This is coming from a British tabloid so who knows...
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
November 13 2015 22:28 GMT
#79
On November 14 2015 07:23 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 07:20 heliusx wrote:
People assume Muslim because they have been subjected to repeated attacks by Muslim terrorists. Why is that hard to comprehend?


Dude, what did i just say?

Let me be clear, I don't care what you say.
dude bro.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
November 13 2015 22:29 GMT
#80
On November 14 2015 07:28 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Allegedly eyewitnesses heard the guys with AKs yelling "Allahu Akbar." This is coming from a British tabloid so who knows...

People inside the bataclan said that the guy who attacked them were crying "it's for syria, it's for syria".
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
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