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On January 26 2007 18:31 MYM.Testie wrote:
Colin Powel is openly white, but happens to be black. Couldn't resist.
Regardless of what is going to happen or what candidate comes into play:
Republicans use underhanded tactics, untruthful statements, fox news, & bad imagery to make the other guys look bad.
I hope if Guliani or McCain is the front runner for them, they will atleast not be nearly as underhanded as whatever the hell Rove did.
Democrats retaliate after the fact and point out what they're saying about them isn't true while not attacking the republicans nearly as much as they should be.
Hilary might play the Republican slander card and hit her candidate hard. I doubt she could win in America because they're not ready for a woman president.
Obama is a great choice. I also like Senator Joe Biden. However i'm not informed nearly enough of their political stances etc.
Republicans in general seem so much dirtier when it comes to major politics and aggressive strategies.
I don't mean to be offensive, but your liberal bias shows in your post. In all actuality, democrats in the US do a lot more of the complaining (unless you're talking specifically about campaigning). I used to find it funny going to cnn.com every day and always seeing their 2 lead politics follow the same format: Story 1: Some Republican(s) propose(s) [idea/policy/etc]. Story 2: Some Democrat(s) bash(es) Republican [idea/policy/etc]. It followed that literally 75% of the time.
Basically there's two parties: the party that proposes bad policy, and the party that whines about how bad the other party's proposals are. No matter who you elect, nothing will get done.
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Korea (South)1740 Posts
On January 26 2007 20:24 pr0n wrote:
EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right.
if this wasn't so funny it'd be sad
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I find it more sad then funny to be honest.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 26 2007 20:24 pr0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2007 17:57 HAZE.tQ wrote:
Someone re-ban pr0n please. He's a fucking Rtard. I'm sorry that i disagree with you. Clearly you are the only person on this forum entitled to an opinion. EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right.
I love how you argue.
Manipulative, emotional, confrontational, and the mouth speaks before the brain thinks.
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Osaka27149 Posts
On January 26 2007 20:24 pr0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2007 17:57 HAZE.tQ wrote:
Someone re-ban pr0n please. He's a fucking Rtard. I'm sorry that i disagree with you. Clearly you are the only person on this forum entitled to an opinion. EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right.
Fortunately, I am in the top .5% of education, and clearly the smartest person on this forum.
Thus, I say you are wrong.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
To OP
I don't think much of us besides Tech)psylo has really followed up enough on Hillary or Obama to have a good oppinion about them.
I myself will reserve any oppinion about them until I actually know anything about them.
In all honesty, I've kind of given up hope on American politics. Americans have lost sense of what a true leader is and the Republicans and Democrats themselves have miserably failed to bring forth a strong leader in the past decade.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 26 2007 21:02 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2007 20:24 pr0n wrote:On January 26 2007 17:57 HAZE.tQ wrote:
Someone re-ban pr0n please. He's a fucking Rtard. I'm sorry that i disagree with you. Clearly you are the only person on this forum entitled to an opinion. EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right. Fortunately, I am in the top .5% of education, and clearly the smartest person on this forum. Thus, I say you are wrong.
No, I have test scores and degrees to back my intelligence up as well.
Therefore YOU are wrong sir because I said so.
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LOL @ this thread.
After reading through the 1st page, I don't have to wonder how the !@#!@# Bush got re-elected anymore. 
.. so much more emphasis on image than on what they have acheive and acomplish in the past and present 
Also, given the potential 2008 presidental candidates, this will be a sad election.
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i'm a democrat but i would vote for guiliani over obama/hillary? i dont know much about either candidate so it's too early to tell, but democrats really need to stop putting out the only candidates that could lose.
i don't think obama can win because he is muslim and it's a christian nation yadda yadda.
i don't think hillary can win because she's a girl and kind of not very pretty anymore.
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On January 26 2007 20:34 pr0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2007 18:31 MYM.Testie wrote:
Colin Powel is openly white, but happens to be black. Couldn't resist.
Regardless of what is going to happen or what candidate comes into play:
Republicans use underhanded tactics, untruthful statements, fox news, & bad imagery to make the other guys look bad.
I hope if Guliani or McCain is the front runner for them, they will atleast not be nearly as underhanded as whatever the hell Rove did.
Democrats retaliate after the fact and point out what they're saying about them isn't true while not attacking the republicans nearly as much as they should be.
Hilary might play the Republican slander card and hit her candidate hard. I doubt she could win in America because they're not ready for a woman president.
Obama is a great choice. I also like Senator Joe Biden. However i'm not informed nearly enough of their political stances etc.
Republicans in general seem so much dirtier when it comes to major politics and aggressive strategies. I don't mean to be offensive, but your liberal bias shows in your post. In all actuality, democrats in the US do a lot more of the complaining (unless you're talking specifically about campaigning). I used to find it funny going to cnn.com every day and always seeing their 2 lead politics follow the same format: Story 1: Some Republican(s) propose(s) [idea/policy/etc]. Story 2: Some Democrat(s) bash(es) Republican [idea/policy/etc]. It followed that literally 75% of the time. Basically there's two parties: the party that proposes bad policy, and the party that whines about how bad the other party's proposals are. No matter who you elect, nothing will get done.
yea there is gonna be liberal bias on this site, but what we call "liberal" is normal or even conservative in other contries;/
while both parties have flaws, something i would like to point out is that the democrats share the more popular views worldwide and would have more backing from the UN and other countries.
I'm not saying this is a reason to vote democrat, just putting that out there as something to think aboutT_T
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Does anyone LIKE pr0n?
I haven't seen a thread that he has posted in that doesn't end as a flame-war with him on the receiving end of verbal gang-rape.
Also, the 'top 5% intelligence' and 'top 1% in education' came off as INCREDIBLY pompous, overly cocky, and asshole-like.
I will probably get a reply to this with petty insults to my character, and start another flame-war.
Maybe now that I predicted it, it will not come true, because he seems like the kind of asshole who would do that just to prove me wrong.
On topic.
This will be the first presidential election that I will be eligible to vote for, and I want to be informed as possible before I make my decision.
Right now, with the limited information I have heard about both candidates, I like Barack better than Hillary.
I dislike Hillary's crusade against violence in video games very much, (as I am a teenage boy, who would have guessed) and I like the idea of a multi-ethnicity president.
I live in Hawaii, where mixed races are common, (Hell, Barack grew up in Hawaii, and how many ethnicities are in him?) and I think that a balanced view and experience of different cultures is very important for a person to experience throughout their life. Before I get pr0n flaming me for 'typically voting for the person who is from my home' I would like to say that YES, I AM making some of my decision based on that. IMHO experiencing the same environment growing up that someone else grew up in is a very good way to understand them as a person better.
_Groove
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Well, games like Grand Theft Auto are pretty stupid.
I'd crusade against them as well for their sheer idiocy.
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On January 26 2007 21:47 geometryb wrote:
i'm a democrat but i would vote for guiliani over obama/hillary? i dont know much about either candidate so it's too early to tell, but democrats really need to stop putting out the only candidates that could lose.
i don't think obama can win because he is muslim and it's a christian nation yadda yadda.
i don't think hillary can win because she's a girl and kind of not very pretty anymore.
Obama is not actually Muslim, you know..
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On January 26 2007 22:29 gLyo wrote:
Obama is not actually Muslim, you know..
wasn't he sworn into office over the Quran? i just assumed he was muslim because of that. sorry if i'm wrong.
edit: you're right he isn't muslim. United Church of Christ
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If you're top five percent in intelligence on this forum, you'd know that saying such a thing would just get you flamed.
EDIT: I don't know much about the platforms of either candidate. In my opinion, voting for the candidate with the views that match your own is the best way to go, but ability to pronounce/speak/combine words to make a logical sentence is generally an indication of intelligence. There are always exceptions of course. Besides, you can be the smartest person in the world, but if you can't show it or use it, what's the point?
Also, I hate to say it, but if Obama or Clinton are elected, I wouldn't be very surprised if some racist or sexist extremist assassinates them.
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going after the baby boomers is probably a bad idea for obama. aarp is one of the most powerful lobbies, everyone over 50 is automatically in it, and senior citizens are one of the largest voting groups. they're the reason why medicare/medicaid/social security are practically untouchable.
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Korea (South)1740 Posts
just to reiterate, many of the shortcomings of the american democratic system flow from the first-past-the-post electoral system which elects winners based on a simple majority. this system encourages two party systems as well as a "move toward the center," meaning parties are virtually indistinguishable in terms of their policy platforms.
thus, other factors become more important in elections:
1) propaganda and media play
2) "dirty" politics and "image" maintenance
3) stupid, staged debates that reveal little if anything about candidate policy platforms, the vast majority of which are never enacted even if the candidate wins
you fix this first by making parties actually count for (and stand for) something, and by widening the scope of political voices that are heard in the policymaking arena. proportional representation does this much better than what we have now. everyone has been crying for a real third party, but it just won't happen with our electoral system being a FPTF simple majority system.
obama and hillary, no matter what their personal strengths and beliefs, are players in this game and have no choice but to play along. they both are greatly disadvantaged as they are not white males (imo it matters little what the polls say, wait until election day when american voters vote with their true gendered and racist beliefs, wanting someone who "looks presidential"). americans are much more likely to want to vote for someone who looks like mccain or edwards.
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Obama seems like a very strong candidate overall---- he is very popular and his only real "weakpoint" politically is his lack of experince.......although many consider that a good thing^_^
On the other hand, hillary has tons of money at her disposal and the support of Bill.....who alot of people still respect and he is very charismatic;/
Personally, I think hillary is too moderate for me;/ Some of her stances i really disagree with;o
edit: like uhjoo said, we wont really know americas gender/race bias till election day.......but i don't see anyone other then obama or hillary winning the dem ticket. (although i do like edwards 2nd best after obama and he is the obvious 3rd choice.)
Also.......I live in Iowa..........woohoo we get to start the fun early~_~
Our governor, Tom Vilsack, is running for pres too....hahaha. I wonder if that will make the Iowa Caucus less reliable this time;p
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The fucking south is gonna screw over him and hilary. (America, sadly, is not ready for a minority nor a woman leader...I think Hilary is a cold bitch, STILL A LITTLE STINGY ABOUT THE SNUGGLY FUN EH?)
CONSERVATIVE MOTHER FUCKERS VOTED FOR BUSH..TWICE.
THEYRE FUCKING TO BLAME. I' believe an ex-vice president like al gore woulda made better situations than this fucktard. (Screw kerry, he is a joke.)
But I'm trying to be short and up to the point here, think how BIll got elected. A talented public speaker and intelligent man, he didn't have a strong political background to start his run for the presidency.(An average governor from Arkansas.) But after giving a speech at a democratic convention in 1990, he gained fame, and boom. Knocked off bush. sr with class. (His rhetoric being, "Its the economy, stupid.")
I see obama possible, probably a better chance than hilary to get the focus, but those fucking uneducated stereotypically lesser culturally experienced individuals from the incestuous lands of countrymen. No, just no...
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