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HAZE.tQ
United States251 Posts
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
it's something i want in canada badly as well currently you end up with numbers like Apple party: 51% of vote, 43% of seats Orange party: 49% of vote, 57% of seats <- new government | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
Skill at speaking often has NOTHING to do with intelligence. You can be a bad public speaker and very smart. You can even have a quick wit and not be a good speaker. Often times when you're put on the spot, your mind just won't abstract. Also, with the right training (for instance, as mentioned, if you're an actor), you can be a great, seemingly smart speaker, while really not being that smart. However, the OP was just saying that he liked starcraft barracks because he was good at pumping marines, not that he was going to mindlessly vote for him in the next election. And that's fine. By the way, Edwards will be the next POTUS. Starcraft barracks guy's background sounds too extreme. I'm speaking about the muslim stuff. I consider myself enlightened and all of that, but I wouldn't (haha this year I can finally say I WONT!) vote for him. Ahhh, at least I know I'm biased. That's got to count for something. Hilary has no shot. Just like you can feel repubs are going down, hilary is going down. Wouldn't you like to punch her? Fucking fake. Plus she's a woman, and again, I'd have reservations about voting for her, even though I know that might be unfair. Repubs out, hilary out, marine medic firebat dude out, edwards will win (or some other gosu dem will come in and dominate) | ||
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oshibori_probe
United States2936 Posts
On January 26 2007 17:47 uhjoo wrote: i love how people love to bash kerry, who is smart, a proven leader, and a decorated vietnam veteran (a bronze star, a silver star, 3 purple hearts) because karl rove is a master propagandist the republicans do a much better job of making their candidates look good and democrats look bad, and fooling the average american (which is not hard, b/c, let's face it, electing bush twice in a row takes at least some measure of idiocy) but actually none of this matters, what the u.s. needs is a proportional representation system Nothing against you Uhjoo but kerry is not a proven leader, and shouldent be a decorated vietnam veteran. In vietnam, kerry got all 3 purple hearts without ever needing surgery or being seriously injured. Does a proven leader play around with a bag of rice and explosives, then after getting rice picked out of their ass and awarded a purple heart clame it was 'shrapnel'? Does a proven leader try to get sent home by getting very minor injurys? And should America's president be someone who hates America? Maybe there is a reason that people in the Army or people that were in the Military at that time tend to dissaprove of kerry. While I cant say bush is any better. Infact he is as bad if not worse, neither bush or kerry should have been considered presidential candidates. Bush was president because of his dad, and kerry was a presidential candidate because he was as much of a war hero as Jack Murtha. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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oshibori_probe
United States2936 Posts
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HAZE.tQ
United States251 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Regardless of what is going to happen or what candidate comes into play: Republicans use underhanded tactics, untruthful statements, fox news, & bad imagery to make the other guys look bad. I hope if Guliani or McCain is the front runner for them, they will atleast not be nearly as underhanded as whatever the hell Rove did. Democrats retaliate after the fact and point out what they're saying about them isn't true while not attacking the republicans nearly as much as they should be. Hilary might play the Republican slander card and hit her candidate hard. I doubt she could win in America because they're not ready for a woman president. Obama is a great choice. I also like Senator Joe Biden. However i'm not informed nearly enough of their political stances etc. Republicans in general seem so much dirtier when it comes to major politics and aggressive strategies. | ||
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
On January 26 2007 18:03 -_- wrote: By the way, Edwards will be the next POTUS. Starcraft barracks guy's background sounds too extreme. I'm speaking about the muslim stuff. I consider myself enlightened and all of that, but I wouldn't (haha this year I can finally say I WONT!) vote for him. Ahhh, at least I know I'm biased. That's got to count for something. Hilary has no shot. Just like you can feel repubs are going down, hilary is going down. Wouldn't you like to punch her? Fucking fake. Plus she's a woman, and again, I'd have reservations about voting for her, even though I know that might be unfair. What muslim stuff?? I agree that Hillary has no shot. No one really likes her that much. Gore only got 50% and I can't think of anyone who didn't vote for Gore who would vote for Hillary...but I can think of a lot of people who are vice-versa... so I doubt she'll have a shot. The Democrats have an annoying tendency to nominate extremely uncharismatic candidates. I hope Hillary isn't the next one. Biden is an interesting candidate, but I'm not sure if he's got a chance. To whoever was talking about Kerry's military record and the bag of rice, stop pathologically lying. I'm sick of having to disabuse people of the most ridiculous Republican-smear-machine lies. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On January 26 2007 18:03 -_- wrote: Skill at speaking often has NOTHING to do with intelligence. You can be a bad public speaker and very smart. You can even have a quick wit and not be a good speaker. Often times when you're put on the spot, your mind just won't abstract. Also, with the right training (for instance, as mentioned, if you're an actor), you can be a great, seemingly smart speaker, while really not being that smart. You're speaking in generalities. Often enough there are exceptions. | ||
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HAZE.tQ
United States251 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On January 26 2007 18:03 oshibori_probe wrote: Nothing against you Uhjoo but kerry is not a proven leader, and shouldent be a decorated vietnam veteran. In vietnam, kerry got all 3 purple hearts without ever needing surgery or being seriously injured. Does a proven leader play around with a bag of rice and explosives, then after getting rice picked out of their ass and awarded a purple heart clame it was 'shrapnel'? Does a proven leader try to get sent home by getting very minor injurys? And should America's president be someone who hates America? Maybe there is a reason that people in the Army or people that were in the Military at that time tend to dissaprove of kerry. While I cant say bush is any better. Infact he is as bad if not worse, neither bush or kerry should have been considered presidential candidates. Bush was president because of his dad, and kerry was a presidential candidate because he was as much of a war hero as Jack Murtha. Kerry hates America? How did you get to this conclusion? | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On January 26 2007 19:50 HAZE.tQ wrote: Vote for Ron Paul if you have a free mind and is not controlled by corporate media. He is truly founding father material. Just PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEASE do not vote for the lesser evil. There is still a year before the elections and plenty of time to overcome the powers that be. I'm definitely going to vote for the lesser evil. Even if Ron Paul is a better candidate (which I have no idea of). There are a lot of lives and money at stake by these decisions. I'd reconsider if some third candidate had a chance of winning, but not as it is. If Nader supporters hadn't thought like you, Bush wouldn't have been President. They threw their votes away on someone who had no chance and wound up with someone as far from their ideals as possible. It doesn't seem smart to me, especially since Gore was relatively close to their values. | ||
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Shymon
United States620 Posts
But least anyone think i am merely criticizing the Dems alone let's take a quick look at the Republicans, who are the supposed to be the party of small goverment...... yeah right. let's raise the deficit and increase spending more then ANY OTHER CONGRESS. small goverment indeed. Add fear mongering and bigotry and a complete undesire to do any of the things that it's base really wants done (closing the border for one) and you have one of the largest failures of a party i have ever seen. Both parties suck, all the canidates suck at the moment, honestly i am shocked a third party hasn't risen up strongly to take a share of the market as all the historical conditions are set for it. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On January 26 2007 20:10 Shymon wrote: (An example comes to mind of the last presidential debates where Kerry wax poetic about the need for worldly involvment in a situation like iraq, but when North Korea was mentioned the worldly approuch, as favored by the 6 nation talks by Bush, was soundly critized by Kerry who called for the USA to deal alone with North Korea....wtf man?). Get your fucking facts straight. While Bush wanted only multilateral negotiations with North Korea, Kerry was in favor of having both unilateral and multilateral negotiations. Both the EU and China wanted the US to conduct seperate, unilateral talks with North Korea along with the multilateral negotiations. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On January 26 2007 20:10 Shymon wrote: For half a decade the Dems line has been simply, "we hate republicans". that's it, nothing more nothing less. How does anyone reach this conclusion? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
The same way you reach the conclusion that candidate A "hates america" or doesnt "support our troops." America is the land of politcal slogans, sound bites and catch phrases. The end result is that people start taking theatre as fact. | ||
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pr0n
United States277 Posts
On January 26 2007 17:57 HAZE.tQ wrote: Someone re-ban pr0n please. He's a fucking Rtard. I'm sorry that i disagree with you. Clearly you are the only person on this forum entitled to an opinion. EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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