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HAZE.tQ
Profile Joined October 2006
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-26 08:59:00
January 26 2007 08:57 GMT
#61
Someone re-ban pr0n please. He's a fucking Rtard.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-26 09:02:42
January 26 2007 09:00 GMT
#62
i assume uhjoo meant a voting system that distributes seats in a manner relating increasingly to # of votes - cause under the current system some seats have less votes behind them than others so some votes are worth more than others

it's something i want in canada badly as well

currently you end up with numbers like
Apple party: 51% of vote, 43% of seats
Orange party: 49% of vote, 57% of seats <- new government
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
January 26 2007 09:03 GMT
#63
I mostly agree with pron.

Skill at speaking often has NOTHING to do with intelligence. You can be a bad public speaker and very smart. You can even have a quick wit and not be a good speaker. Often times when you're put on the spot, your mind just won't abstract. Also, with the right training (for instance, as mentioned, if you're an actor), you can be a great, seemingly smart speaker, while really not being that smart.

However, the OP was just saying that he liked starcraft barracks because he was good at pumping marines, not that he was going to mindlessly vote for him in the next election. And that's fine.






By the way, Edwards will be the next POTUS. Starcraft barracks guy's background sounds too extreme. I'm speaking about the muslim stuff. I consider myself enlightened and all of that, but I wouldn't (haha this year I can finally say I WONT!) vote for him. Ahhh, at least I know I'm biased. That's got to count for something.

Hilary has no shot. Just like you can feel repubs are going down, hilary is going down. Wouldn't you like to punch her? Fucking fake. Plus she's a woman, and again, I'd have reservations about voting for her, even though I know that might be unfair.

Repubs out, hilary out, marine medic firebat dude out, edwards will win (or some other gosu dem will come in and dominate)
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2937 Posts
January 26 2007 09:03 GMT
#64
On January 26 2007 17:47 uhjoo wrote:
i love how people love to bash kerry, who is smart, a proven leader, and a decorated vietnam veteran (a bronze star, a silver star, 3 purple hearts) because karl rove is a master propagandist

the republicans do a much better job of making their candidates look good and democrats look bad, and fooling the average american (which is not hard, b/c, let's face it, electing bush twice in a row takes at least some measure of idiocy)

but actually none of this matters, what the u.s. needs is a proportional representation system

Nothing against you Uhjoo but kerry is not a proven leader, and shouldent be a decorated vietnam veteran. In vietnam, kerry got all 3 purple hearts without ever needing surgery or being seriously injured. Does a proven leader play around with a bag of rice and explosives, then after getting rice picked out of their ass and awarded a purple heart clame it was 'shrapnel'? Does a proven leader try to get sent home by getting very minor injurys? And should America's president be someone who hates America? Maybe there is a reason that people in the Army or people that were in the Military at that time tend to dissaprove of kerry.

While I cant say bush is any better. Infact he is as bad if not worse, neither bush or kerry should have been considered presidential candidates. Bush was president because of his dad, and kerry was a presidential candidate because he was as much of a war hero as Jack Murtha.
Fuck KeSPA.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 26 2007 09:05 GMT
#65
I remember once it becamse evident that Kerry would win the Democratic nom, a website was already created called "johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com." This was like days after the Iowa caucus, and Kerry is already running as the "not-Bush" candidate. He was already being called a moron by his own party before he could even begin his campaign. I don't know if the Republicans are great political strategists or if the Democrats are just terrible political strategists.
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2937 Posts
January 26 2007 09:09 GMT
#66
You know, if theres one man who could save america it would be:
Collin Powel
Fuck KeSPA.
HAZE.tQ
Profile Joined October 2006
United States251 Posts
January 26 2007 09:17 GMT
#67
Collin Powel doesnt care for corruption and lies, he is a rightgeous man.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
January 26 2007 09:31 GMT
#68
Colin Powel is openly white, but happens to be black. Couldn't resist.

Regardless of what is going to happen or what candidate comes into play:
Republicans use underhanded tactics, untruthful statements, fox news, & bad imagery to make the other guys look bad.
I hope if Guliani or McCain is the front runner for them, they will atleast not be nearly as underhanded as whatever the hell Rove did.

Democrats retaliate after the fact and point out what they're saying about them isn't true while not attacking the republicans nearly as much as they should be.

Hilary might play the Republican slander card and hit her candidate hard. I doubt she could win in America because they're not ready for a woman president.

Obama is a great choice. I also like Senator Joe Biden. However i'm not informed nearly enough of their political stances etc.

Republicans in general seem so much dirtier when it comes to major politics and aggressive strategies.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Clutch3
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1344 Posts
January 26 2007 09:56 GMT
#69
On January 26 2007 18:03 -_- wrote:
By the way, Edwards will be the next POTUS. Starcraft barracks guy's background sounds too extreme. I'm speaking about the muslim stuff. I consider myself enlightened and all of that, but I wouldn't (haha this year I can finally say I WONT!) vote for him. Ahhh, at least I know I'm biased. That's got to count for something.

Hilary has no shot. Just like you can feel repubs are going down, hilary is going down. Wouldn't you like to punch her? Fucking fake. Plus she's a woman, and again, I'd have reservations about voting for her, even though I know that might be unfair.


What muslim stuff??

I agree that Hillary has no shot. No one really likes her that much. Gore only got 50% and I can't think of anyone who didn't vote for Gore who would vote for Hillary...but I can think of a lot of people who are vice-versa... so I doubt she'll have a shot.

The Democrats have an annoying tendency to nominate extremely uncharismatic candidates. I hope Hillary isn't the next one. Biden is an interesting candidate, but I'm not sure if he's got a chance.

To whoever was talking about Kerry's military record and the bag of rice, stop pathologically lying. I'm sick of having to disabuse people of the most ridiculous Republican-smear-machine lies.
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
January 26 2007 10:00 GMT
#70
The best way to get a feel for someones stance is looking at there voting record. Both are relatively new to congress so there is limited information to look at. Obama is a great speaker which gives the automatic impresion of strong leadership, but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is policy. Being the beginning of both campaigns, we still have alot to learn about the both of them. What I find interesting is that a democrat, regardless of who, is probably going to win the next election. If the Hillary/Obama hype continues then we are either going to have our first black or our first female president.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
January 26 2007 10:30 GMT
#71
On January 26 2007 18:03 -_- wrote:
Skill at speaking often has NOTHING to do with intelligence. You can be a bad public speaker and very smart. You can even have a quick wit and not be a good speaker. Often times when you're put on the spot, your mind just won't abstract. Also, with the right training (for instance, as mentioned, if you're an actor), you can be a great, seemingly smart speaker, while really not being that smart.


You're speaking in generalities. Often enough there are exceptions.
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HAZE.tQ
Profile Joined October 2006
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-26 10:53:16
January 26 2007 10:50 GMT
#72
Vote for Ron Paul if you have a free mind and is not controlled by corporate media. He is truly founding father material. Just PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEASE do not vote for the lesser evil. There is still a year before the elections and plenty of time to overcome the powers that be.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 26 2007 10:59 GMT
#73
On January 26 2007 18:03 oshibori_probe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2007 17:47 uhjoo wrote:
i love how people love to bash kerry, who is smart, a proven leader, and a decorated vietnam veteran (a bronze star, a silver star, 3 purple hearts) because karl rove is a master propagandist

the republicans do a much better job of making their candidates look good and democrats look bad, and fooling the average american (which is not hard, b/c, let's face it, electing bush twice in a row takes at least some measure of idiocy)

but actually none of this matters, what the u.s. needs is a proportional representation system

Nothing against you Uhjoo but kerry is not a proven leader, and shouldent be a decorated vietnam veteran. In vietnam, kerry got all 3 purple hearts without ever needing surgery or being seriously injured. Does a proven leader play around with a bag of rice and explosives, then after getting rice picked out of their ass and awarded a purple heart clame it was 'shrapnel'? Does a proven leader try to get sent home by getting very minor injurys? And should America's president be someone who hates America? Maybe there is a reason that people in the Army or people that were in the Military at that time tend to dissaprove of kerry.

While I cant say bush is any better. Infact he is as bad if not worse, neither bush or kerry should have been considered presidential candidates. Bush was president because of his dad, and kerry was a presidential candidate because he was as much of a war hero as Jack Murtha.


Kerry hates America? How did you get to this conclusion?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
January 26 2007 11:00 GMT
#74
On January 26 2007 19:50 HAZE.tQ wrote:
Vote for Ron Paul if you have a free mind and is not controlled by corporate media. He is truly founding father material. Just PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEASE do not vote for the lesser evil. There is still a year before the elections and plenty of time to overcome the powers that be.


I'm definitely going to vote for the lesser evil. Even if Ron Paul is a better candidate (which I have no idea of). There are a lot of lives and money at stake by these decisions. I'd reconsider if some third candidate had a chance of winning, but not as it is.

If Nader supporters hadn't thought like you, Bush wouldn't have been President. They threw their votes away on someone who had no chance and wound up with someone as far from their ideals as possible. It doesn't seem smart to me, especially since Gore was relatively close to their values.
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Shymon
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States620 Posts
January 26 2007 11:10 GMT
#75
i would greatly prefer a candiate who actually runs on their ideas and beliefs rather then the bullshit that both sides put out. For half a decade the Dems line has been simply, "we hate republicans". that's it, nothing more nothing less. And they would openly contridict themselves on terms of policy stands simply to be oppisite of whatever the republicans. (An example comes to mind of the last presidential debates where Kerry wax poetic about the need for worldly involvment in a situation like iraq, but when North Korea was mentioned the worldly approuch, as favored by the 6 nation talks by Bush, was soundly critized by Kerry who called for the USA to deal alone with North Korea....wtf man?). If the democratics really want to push a more socialistic plan of goverment, they should come out and SAY so. tell the american people what you actually want to do besides punish the opposing party. (and no nancy palosasi's (yes i KNOW i misspelled that) "do it for the children" bullshit does not count).

But least anyone think i am merely criticizing the Dems alone let's take a quick look at the Republicans, who are the supposed to be the party of small goverment......

yeah right. let's raise the deficit and increase spending more then ANY OTHER CONGRESS. small goverment indeed. Add fear mongering and bigotry and a complete undesire to do any of the things that it's base really wants done (closing the border for one) and you have one of the largest failures of a party i have ever seen.

Both parties suck, all the canidates suck at the moment, honestly i am shocked a third party hasn't risen up strongly to take a share of the market as all the historical conditions are set for it.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-26 11:17:39
January 26 2007 11:17 GMT
#76
On January 26 2007 20:10 Shymon wrote:
(An example comes to mind of the last presidential debates where Kerry wax poetic about the need for worldly involvment in a situation like iraq, but when North Korea was mentioned the worldly approuch, as favored by the 6 nation talks by Bush, was soundly critized by Kerry who called for the USA to deal alone with North Korea....wtf man?).


Get your fucking facts straight. While Bush wanted only multilateral negotiations with North Korea, Kerry was in favor of having both unilateral and multilateral negotiations. Both the EU and China wanted the US to conduct seperate, unilateral talks with North Korea along with the multilateral negotiations.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
January 26 2007 11:19 GMT
#77
On January 26 2007 20:10 Shymon wrote:
For half a decade the Dems line has been simply, "we hate republicans". that's it, nothing more nothing less.


How does anyone reach this conclusion?
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 26 2007 11:22 GMT
#78
On January 26 2007 20:19 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2007 20:10 Shymon wrote:
For half a decade the Dems line has been simply, "we hate republicans". that's it, nothing more nothing less.


How does anyone reach this conclusion?


The same way you reach the conclusion that candidate A "hates america" or doesnt "support our troops." America is the land of politcal slogans, sound bites and catch phrases. The end result is that people start taking theatre as fact.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
pr0n
Profile Joined September 2005
United States277 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-26 11:26:40
January 26 2007 11:24 GMT
#79
On January 26 2007 17:57 HAZE.tQ wrote:
Someone re-ban pr0n please. He's a fucking Rtard.


I'm sorry that i disagree with you. Clearly you are the only person on this forum entitled to an opinion.

EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
January 26 2007 11:26 GMT
#80
BTW 4 pages and almost no one discussed Obama or Hillary. I guess no one knows much about them yet. I'll try and dig some interesting stuff tomorrow I guess :o
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