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o my fucking god i just saw this on gamespot.com forums. I listen to this radio station like everyday, on my way to school, going home from work ETC. Well anyway i remember they have this WATER DRINKING CONTEST (if it wasnt enough for that one torture case of i think it was a frat making this kid drink gallons of water...) ANYWHO my former favorite radio station 107.9 THE end from sacramento basically palys the coolest pop hits that i listen to.
Their just like any other radio station they give out stuff listen to stuff talk to people etc.
Well theres a contest where they see who can drink the most WATER basically without peeing. Im not sure how much time they were given but they had to down like 100 ounces of water something like that.. and as it progresses they move u up in yet BIGGER water. I like how fucking whoever organized this didnt even test it, or see any of the precaution of doing this(i mean if it can save a life wtf are they thinking). Anyhow this mother age 28 who was in the contest was found dead due to water intoxication according to the coroner's office. This really sickens me because i was hearing about it and they were even joking how not enough water was given to contestants blah blah i knew something like this was gonna happen. Note checkout the catchy name "Hold Your Wee for a Wii".... good god have some common sense what kind of competition is that.
anyhow heres the full story
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865
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Sounds like something a POP music station would do. But i never knew you could die from drinking too much water. Are they going to sue?
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To be fair, I think that it is excusable for the radio station to have thought water to be safe. It is terrible that the lady died, don't get me wrong. I don't think anyone can really be blamed.
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I had no idea that was even possible--one would think that one's bladder would give out before one's actual life--but this isn't the first time I've heard of such a contest. I was watching a Japanese game show once in which the contestants had to eat a ton of spicy food but were allowed all the water they wanted. Then in the next round, there was a machine that gently beat on the area between the crotch and the belly button (give it a try the next time you really have to pee), and it was an elimination contest; whoever held out the longest moved on.
Added: Still, the whole incident is tragic. I sort of figured that, out of everything we consumed in this world, water would be the most innocuous. I guess it really is everything in moderation.
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wtf is wrong with ppl... i remember a girl at my school in highschool ate like 52 recees cups to get an A in her history class. Idiots
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I am surprised more people don't realize that drinking too much water can be deadly. My understanding is that it can cause too much swelling in the brain.
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United States37500 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_toxicity
You learn something new everyday...
The concept is basic chemistry: osmosis. Cells in your body need both water and electrolytes to function properly. When you drink too much water, it saturates your system and your blood becomes too hypotonic (too much water, not enough solutes.) As a result, electrolytes are flushed out of the cell while water rushes in. One of the most common consequences is that red blood cells literally explode because too much water is going into each cell.
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It's kind of stupid to blame the radio station, and sorry to say this, but I don't mean any offence: it's an american thing. You have to blame someone, you have to sue the radio station. WHY?? If I'd tell a 28 year old woman to jump from the 20th-floor of a building for a free car would she do it?
I feel sorry for her, but it wasn't really the radio station who should have considered water is bad for your health it's the people who choose to drink it! I can see how this could be blamed on the radio station if there were kids in it or so, but at that age you should ask yourself some questions before doing crap like that.
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Yea but people get carried away. Theres other factors such as Pressure, or not thinking enough/lack of proper support. I dont konw what to say this contest was ridicoulous to start out with. They shoulda done like a donut or sausage eating contest instead. But not stuff like water where it's harder to realize where ur limit is...
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They should have done a Mentos and Diet Coke contest. Eat about 3-4 mentos without chewing them then drink as much Diet Coke as fast as you can. And have someone film it even!
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... I thought it was fairly well known that too much water does this.
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Osaka27149 Posts
Too much water also gets you high.
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On January 14 2007 02:16 RequieScat wrote:
... I thought it was fairly well known that too much water does this.
!! Guess I'm smart after all !
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If you drink too much water you flush all the minerals from your system... your pee should never be white, it should always be a little bit yellowish... 2 L of water MAX per day... 1.2 L minimum.. spread over the entire day of course..
personally, i found that I drank too much water and couldn't understand why I always looked so pale and "flushed"... then I realised the water was literally draining all the nutrients I was taking in... like DJ said... EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!! VARIETY VARIETY VARIETY!!!
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I live in Sacramento and I listened to the 107.9 contest live on my way home.
"Hold Your Wee for a Wii" was a funny contest. It was fun to a lot of people that entered as well as for the listeners.
I think she was either the lady that got the 1st place prize, the Nintendo Wii, or the other lady that placed 2nd to receive a consolation prize, a pair of pop concert tickets. Both females out lasted several big males in the contest. I recall the lady that got first place, could drink more if she wanted, but the 2nd lady wasn't feeling so good so she opt out and got the consolation prize.
It is unfortunate that the lady died, but let's be serious.. who the hell is gonna predict that someone is going to die from drinking water? Drinking water is nothing compared to the other funny contest they have.
I recall they both drank more than 1 gallon of water. I'm not a big guy and during the summer, I drink almost a gallon a day.
Let's not overreact if we don't know the complete story. Should we start banning hot dog eating contest too?
On January 14 2007 01:58 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
It's kind of stupid to blame the radio station, and sorry to say this, but I don't mean any offence: it's an american thing. You have to blame someone, you have to sue the radio station. WHY?? If I'd tell a 28 year old woman to jump from the 20th-floor of a building for a free car would she do it?
I feel sorry for her, but it wasn't really the radio station who should have considered water is bad for your health it's the people who choose to drink it! I can see how this could be blamed on the radio station if there were kids in it or so, but at that age you should ask yourself some questions before doing crap like that.
Agreed.
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If only these people would be more educated and try consuming things like ecstacy. One of the first things you learn (assuming you research drugs before you try them out) is that it's far more likely to be harmed by drinking too much water than you are by consuming the actual drug.
These people need to get their act together and set their priorities straight. Doing drugs = good. Entering Drinking Water Contests = bad.
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that's absolutely tragic, i wonder what it'd be like dying from water overdose.
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“I was talking to her and she was a nice lady,” Ybarra said. “She was telling me about her family and her three kids and how she was doing it for kids.”
That's sad. T_T
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The ironic thing is that this might not have happened had it been alcohol instead of water.
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On January 14 2007 03:36 Aphelion02 wrote:
The ironic thing is that this might not have happened had it been alcohol instead of water.
On the contrary, if she drank as much alcohol as she did water to the point where she suffered from water toxicity, she would die instead from alcohol poisoning.
Either way, too much of anything can kill.
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On January 14 2007 02:43 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
If you drink too much water you flush all the minerals from your system... your pee should never be white, it should always be a little bit yellowish... 2 L of water MAX per day... 1.2 L minimum.. spread over the entire day of course..
personally, i found that I drank too much water and couldn't understand why I always looked so pale and "flushed"... then I realised the water was literally draining all the nutrients I was taking in... like DJ said... EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!! VARIETY VARIETY VARIETY!!!
if your pee looks white it is similiar to pure water,if it is yellow then it is obvius something else is in it(dunno how to count 'em all in eng. cuz it's chemistry stuff and i ain't interested 2much into chem). I've always found it good if it was white-whenever u'r sick it gets really yellow...(unless u drink gallons of tea so u go to wc every 5sec)
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I find it really irresponsible of the radiostation to have a competion of the type "do as much as possible of X" where this X is something that will kill you if you do it too much. Drinking water, alcohol, leaning out of a window on 10:th floor, w/e. And I hope that they get sued for every penny they got. And convicted for murder or something...
At least her kids got the the Wii I hope?
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a life for a couple hundred dollars
that's just sick and sad
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On January 14 2007 03:55 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2007 03:36 Aphelion02 wrote:
The ironic thing is that this might not have happened had it been alcohol instead of water. On the contrary, if she drank as much alcohol as she did water to the point where she suffered from water toxicity, she would die instead from alcohol poisoning. Either way, too much of anything can kill.
A gallon of beer won't kill you. I've drank 2 gallons (about 16 beers) in one night several times. You'll piss it all out.
And you can easily drink one gallon of water if you spread it out through the day. I do it on hot summer days.
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I knew about drinking too much water could kill you since they told me when I was little that drinking too much water could flood out your electric lights(and since I've been reading post before I posted), it seems to be true?
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On January 14 2007 02:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Too much water also gets you high.
lol OMG I'm out of weed, time to drink gallons of water!!
LOL LOL LOL
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On January 14 2007 05:13 doedrikthe2nd wrote:
And you can easily drink one gallon of water if you spread it out through the day. I do it on hot summer days.
hot summer day: 40°C
airconditioned radio station: 28°C
hot summer day: 10 hours of sunlight
water drinking contest: 1-2 hours
...you get the point.
sad sad story...and whoever said "i hope the kids got their Wii"...i don't think thats gonna make them happy.
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On January 14 2007 05:13 doedrikthe2nd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2007 03:55 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 14 2007 03:36 Aphelion02 wrote:
The ironic thing is that this might not have happened had it been alcohol instead of water. On the contrary, if she drank as much alcohol as she did water to the point where she suffered from water toxicity, she would die instead from alcohol poisoning. Either way, too much of anything can kill. A gallon of beer won't kill you. I've drank 2 gallons (about 16 beers) in one night several times. You'll piss it all out. And you can easily drink one gallon of water if you spread it out through the day. I do it on hot summer days.
What are you talking about... where did I even mention the woman drinking a gallon of water through out the day?
From wikipedia: Consuming as little as 1.8 litres of water in a single sitting may prove fatal for a person adhering to a low-sodium diet, or 3 litres for a person on a normal diet.
I'll assume the woman drank a gallon of water or more in roughly one hour which eventually lead to water toxicity and her death. What I'm saying is that it can be a gallon of water, Smirnoff, vodka, beer, whatever drink you can think of. That amount of fluid in such little time, you'll either die of water toxicity or alochol poisoning. I'm stating that Aphelion02 is incorrect to assume that she would've lived if she drank alcohol instead of water.
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On January 14 2007 05:14 JudgeMathis wrote:
I knew about drinking too much water could kill you since they told me when I was little that drinking too much water could flood out your electric lights(and since I've been reading post before I posted), it seems to be true?
Yes, and you can get electrocuted should the electric lights touch the water in your blood stream. Becareful, keep them eletric lights awayyyyyyy
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Neo, what I'm saying is that had it been beer or something, she'd might have been stopped / out before she could drink enough to die. She'd have a god awful hangover though.
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On January 14 2007 05:53 Aphelion02 wrote:
Neo, what I'm saying is that had it been beer or something, she'd might have been stopped / out before she could drink enough to die. She'd have a god awful hangover though.
It might not have been this mom, but had the radio station done the contest with beer/alcohol instead of water, I am willing to bet there is someone out there dumb enough to drink himself into oblivion for that Wii. This woman was obviously tenacious enough to continue drinking water after her body was giving her signs to ease up. God knows that there are college students out there who do the exact same thing with beer on a weekly basis.
All in all, I'm just being a stickler here. Imo, human stupidity knows no bounds and drinking more than a gallon of any fluid in an hour will cause death. Put two and two together, I am not surprised at all that someone died from a contest as stupid as this one.
And lastly, hangovers don't occur for at least 5-6 hours into heavy drinking. Alcohol is a diuretic but it doesn't cause you to dehydrate that quickly for a duration of a radio contest (roughly 1-2 hours.)
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the company should be sued
imo
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Theory: humanity is bored and can only get kicks by finding new, previously-unheard-of ways to die.
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The mineral level can be restored in a short time, so only when you drink water really fast your system can't process it and you could die. In a desert, people drink 2 gallons of water a day.
And I had over 15 beers yesterday (table tennis with drinking tourney), but since i never had more than 2-3 per hour it's okay. I don't even feel any hangover effects.
The radio station could be sued, but i don't really see the point. What is gained?
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On January 14 2007 04:28 Dendra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2007 02:43 MaZza[KIS] wrote:
If you drink too much water you flush all the minerals from your system... your pee should never be white, it should always be a little bit yellowish... 2 L of water MAX per day... 1.2 L minimum.. spread over the entire day of course..
personally, i found that I drank too much water and couldn't understand why I always looked so pale and "flushed"... then I realised the water was literally draining all the nutrients I was taking in... like DJ said... EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!!!! VARIETY VARIETY VARIETY!!! if your pee looks white it is similiar to pure water,if it is yellow then it is obvius something else is in it(dunno how to count 'em all in eng. cuz it's chemistry stuff and i ain't interested 2much into chem). I've always found it good if it was white-whenever u'r sick it gets really yellow...(unless u drink gallons of tea so u go to wc every 5sec)
You pee to flush the stuff out that your body can't handle. If it's yellow, that's good because it means it's flushing out a lot of bad stuff - it's doing its job. If it's really clear like water, however, it's just mostly water which means you drank too much and your body is just getting rid of the excess of water.
It's kind of incredible this happened - it should be common knowledge that too much of anything will kill you.
Her relatives might have a case if they sued the radio station, but it could be argued that if the radio station was supposed to know it was harmful, so should she.
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Hehehehe, yeah, sue the water.
Come on, it's not like they forced her to drink. there are eating contests all the time, what if one of the competitors choke? Or get food poisoning and die. Come on, nobody's making you do it.
Let's sue FIFA each time a player breaks his leg, or NBA, or NASCAR each time there's a crash. What if someone hosts a contest where you should eat as much candy as possible, and one of the contestants has diabetes? It's the same thing.
But... as I said... everybdoy wants to blame someone else for their own bad choises. I feel sad for the kids, but what the hell... it's more her fault than the radio station's. Let's get real.
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On January 14 2007 03:30 Sn0wy wrote:Show nested quote +“I was talking to her and she was a nice lady,” Ybarra said. “She was telling me about her family and her three kids and how she was doing it for kids.” That's sad. T_T
i read the whole story too, and its pretty sad 
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we should have God draft a Labor Protection.life (doc) so will be covered for our brain shortage
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had i said what apehlion said, i would have meant she probably wouldnt have been able to hold it down, and puked her brains out instead.
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I told you fools that dihydrogen monoxide was lethal, but no one listens to the beaver until it's too damn late!
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 that joke was bad the first time i heard it
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thedeadhaji
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sosososososososososo dumbbbbbb (the pple who organized this)
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Actually people can manage to drink 2-3 gallons of alcohol in one night. The thing is, alcohol is a diuretic, so you have to pee it out. I don't know about trying to hold it in, especially if you were drunk.
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This is incredibly irresponsible. If they didn't know about the dangers of holding such a contest they must be retarded.
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hey look on the bright side
before her son was going to get a shitty wii
now he'll probably get a $200 MM settlement
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They should've done their research on how much water can be dangerous for you and make a contest who can drink an x amount of water (x being an amount thats not dangerous)the fastest, this is just so retarded. Damn right they deserve to be sued.
I remember a similar case happening here in Holland, some kid who had to drink water for his pledge everytime he got told or w/e.
On January 14 2007 10:12 lil.sis wrote:
hey look on the bright side
before her son was going to get a shitty wii
now he'll probably get a $200 MM settlement
That's not funny.
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On January 14 2007 07:40 vGl-CoW wrote:
Her relatives might have a case if they sued the radio station, but it could be argued that if the radio station was supposed to know it was harmful, so should she.
I am 99% certain that that defense won't work. I'm very confident that (in the American legal system at least) the contest holders are always responsible for knowing more about the safety concerns of their contest than the people who enter it. Which makes the most sense to me, too.
I am fairly sure the radio station can be successfully sued for this, and her family should definitely do it. At the very least, the extra money will help to compensate for the fact that this family has no mother any longer. They might have to hire maids to clean up, therapy for the kids if they're young and have a hard time dealing with this, etc. There are going to be myriad negative affects for the family from this tragedy, which in my opinion is a very good reason for them to sue, so that at least they will have the extra money to deal with those affects.
I can realistically see the radio station getting away without paying a cent, unfortunately (good lawyers + gullible jury (+ waiver signed by her?)). But hopefully that won't be the case.
All the radio station had to do was Google for "water overdose" to learn about this effect. Now, if she had died of some other, much less predictable complication, then I can understand why the radio station would not be liable for her death. But I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect them to at least try that single Google query or something equivalent before running this contest.
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On January 14 2007 01:51 alphablend wrote:
wtf is wrong with ppl... i remember a girl at my school in highschool ate like 52 recees cups to get an A in her history class. Idiots
howd that happen? the teacher was in on it?
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Belgium8305 Posts
Yeah, I don't think it'd work either, but it's the only argument I can see the defense making here (other than "we didn't know!!" which will definitely get shot down in court)
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On January:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Too much water also gets you high.
Are you serious? Like lightheaded?
This woman was innocent I cannot believe this happened
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On January 14 2007 01:51 alphablend wrote:
wtf is wrong with ppl... i remember a girl at my school in highschool ate like 52 recees cups to get an A in her history class. Idiots
rofl
i woulda did that
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On January 14 2007 10:41 Chibi[OWNS] wrote:
yes they would lose
its like a company not putting danger warnings on a rollercoaster or having suitable safety supervision Exactly. Should i know the structural limitations of 5 inches of pure grade 3.0 aluminium at a 25 degree bank when hit with 5000 lbs of roller cars at a velocity of 55 mph generating a 3g force tripling the overall load against the orbital bearing nuts which hold the tresses together at 45 degree angles using solid I-beams secured with 20 feet of solid concrete in a rock face overlooking the edge of a cliff whos dirt after a rainy day can only maintain a sustainability of 300.352 lbs per square inch after the sun comes back out during the summer with an average humidity index of 4 only to have the metal break apart and the coaster go flying off into the abyss because some jackass designer didnt bother to do his homework when putting this shit together?
Look at the responses to this thread, most of the people here didnt know that water could be toxic either. Now if they were told that they could die from drinking 10 gallons of water in under an hour then the responsibility has been shifted to them. But obviously these stupid DJ's dont know shit either.
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i really dont see the link between drinking water and wining a Wii.
What a stupid competition.
If it was to play some game ok... I can relate.
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A very tragic story.
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I can hold my pee for days
I would have totally rocked this competition~
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On January 14 2007 12:36 Leath wrote:
i really dont see the link between drinking water and wining a Wii.
What a stupid competition.
It's hold your Wee(wii) for a Wii. A play on words.
The people that enter aren't typically hardcore gamers. Many try to win it for fun for theirs kids.
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how do you die from drinking too much water anyway, do you just pass out or does your bladder rupture?
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On January 14 2007 15:11 EAGER-beaver wrote:
how do you die from drinking too much water anyway, do you just pass out or does your bladder rupture?
Your body has an incorrect sugar (I think it is sugar, could be salt, bleh) to water ratio, and that sends you into a coma and you eventually die. If you ever read The Hypochondriac's Pocket Guide to Horrible Diseases You Probably Already Have, you would know about it  .
Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication see also.
Edit2: Wow, her case was already posted in the Water intoxication fatalities, wikipedia is fast :O
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On January 14 2007 03:55 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2007 03:36 Aphelion02 wrote:
The ironic thing is that this might not have happened had it been alcohol instead of water. On the contrary, if she drank as much alcohol as she did water to the point where she suffered from water toxicity, she would die instead from alcohol poisoning. Either way, too much of anything can kill.
except laughter, sex, vegetables and fish 
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On January 14 2007 15:11 EAGER-beaver wrote:
how do you die from drinking too much water anyway, do you just pass out or does your bladder rupture?
Its just an osmotic effect. Too much water enters your cells, too much dissolved contents inside your cells leave your cells. Some cells such as red blood cells will gain so much water that they even burst, and obviously thats not going to be very good for you.
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On January 14 2007 15:13 hasuprotoss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2007 15:11 EAGER-beaver wrote:
how do you die from drinking too much water anyway, do you just pass out or does your bladder rupture? Your body has an incorrect sugar (I think it is sugar, could be salt, bleh) to water ratio, and that sends you into a coma and you eventually die. If you ever read The Hypochondriac's Pocket Guide to Horrible Diseases You Probably Already Have, you would know about it . Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication see also. Edit2: Wow, her case was already posted in the Water intoxication fatalities, wikipedia is fast :O
Solutes in your blood, namely NaCl.
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thedeadhaji
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On January 14 2007 10:35 Bill307 wrote:
I can realistically see the radio station getting away without paying a cent, unfortunately (good lawyers + gullible jury (+ waiver signed by her?)). But hopefully that won't be the case.
It'd depend on whethere these contestants some sort of release of liability contract too.
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drink artificial blood and hole ur wee next time then
does this help btw :D
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Since nobody has mentioned it...
Body fluids contain electrolytes (particularly sodium compounds, such as sodium chloride) in concentrations that must be held within very narrow limits. Water enters the body orally or intravenously and leaves the body primarily in the urine and in sweat. If water enters the body more quickly than it can be removed, body fluids are diluted and a potentially dangerous shift in electrolyte balance occurs.
Most water intoxication is caused by hyponatremia, an overdilution of sodium in the blood plasma, which in turn causes an osmotic shift of water from extracellular fluid (outside of cells) to intracellular fluid (within cells). The cells swell as a result of changes in osmotic pressure and may cease to function. When this occurs in the cells of the central nervous system and brain, water intoxication is the result. Additionally, many other cells in the body may undergo cytolysis, wherein cell membranes that are unable to stand abnormal osmotic pressures rupture, killing the cells. Initial symptoms typically include light-headedness, sometimes accompanied by nausea, vomiting, headache and/or malaise. Plasma sodium levels below 100 mmol/L (2.3g/L) frequently result in cerebral edema, seizures, coma, and death within a few hours of drinking the excess water. As with alcohol poisoning, the progression from mild to severe symptoms may occur rapidly as the water continues to enter the body from the stomach or intravenously.
A person with two healthy kidneys can excrete about 1.5 litres of water per hour at maximum filtration (other studies find the limit to be as little as 0.9L/h [2]). Consuming as little as 1.8 litres of water in a single sitting may prove fatal for a person adhering to a low-sodium diet, or 3 litres for a person on a normal diet. However, this must be modulated by potential water losses via other routes. For example, a person who is perspiring heavily may lose 1 L/h of water through perspiration alone, thereby raising the threshold for water intoxication. The problem is further complicated by the amount of electrolytes lost in urine or sweat, which is variable within a range controlled by the body's regulatory mechanisms. Water intoxication can be prevented by consuming water that is isotonic with water losses, but the exact concentration of electrolytes required is difficult to determine and evolves over time, and the greater the time period involved, the smaller the disparity that may suffice to produce electrolyte imbalance and water intoxication.
Sodium is not the only mineral that can become overdiluted from excessive water intake. Magnesium is also excreted in urine. "Magnesium deficiency can cause metabolic changes that may contribute to heart attacks and strokes."[3] Intravenous magnesium is used in cardiac care units for cardiac arrhythmias.[4]
-Wiki
So for short:
Your body fluid is kinda like salt water. If too much salt ratio, your cell turns into fucking jerkies, dry out withering death. If too little salt ratio, your cells instead of shrinking, they blow up and burst a glorious death.
Woman drank too much. Brain cells blew up. GG
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“I was talking to her and she was a nice lady,” Ybarra said. “She was telling me about her family and her three kids and how she was doing it for kids.”
Ah shit
Imagine... if she won the contest kids would be like "SHIT COOL MOM!"
But now it's probably "Stupid woman!"
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On January 14 2007 02:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Too much water also gets you high.
so does drugs o0
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this is not the first time that someone dies due to water intoxication. i think that the radio should be sued for it. when they do such a contest, then they should inform themselves first what can happen..
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On January 14 2007 01:58 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
It's kind of stupid to blame the radio station, and sorry to say this, but I don't mean any offence: it's an american thing. You have to blame someone, you have to sue the radio station. WHY?? If I'd tell a 28 year old woman to jump from the 20th-floor of a building for a free car would she do it?
I feel sorry for her, but it wasn't really the radio station who should have considered water is bad for your health it's the people who choose to drink it! I can see how this could be blamed on the radio station if there were kids in it or so, but at that age you should ask yourself some questions before doing crap like that.
Well, she wouldn't jump from the 20th floor of a building because she KNOWS she's going to get killed, or at least get her bones broken. If the radio station planned and hosted this event, I would think it was their responsibility to check up on any risks and make SURE that all the contestants were made aware of them.
I'm not discussing the fairness of suing the radiostation. Just pointing out that your example isn't suitable.
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I live in Sacramento and listen to the radio station fairly often. They do some dumb things but usually nothing this dangerous. I read that all the contestants had to sign waivers acknowledging the health risks of the contest and were told to not push themselves too hard if they felt something was wrong.
Either way its a stupid thing to do, but more likely than not the station won't get into trouble because of those waivers.
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Ok Gandalf, say I'd give you 50$ to eat some weird-looking mushrooms. Would you do it? And if so, could I end up in jail if you die?
I'm seriously asking, because i've heard of some really fucked up things in the criminal justice system of the US. It doesn't seem normal to me that the radio station is to blame. Yes, it would be great if they weren't idiots and looked up the risks, but SHE WAS NOT A GODDAMN CHILD, OR A RETARDED PERSON. You have to take responsabilities for your own actions! If you didn't know electric shock would kill you, could you blame the electric company if you stick your fingers in an outlet?
I really, really understand the "she didn't know" argument, but she did it to herself, shouldn't she at least CONSIDER that there might be a risk? I hate it how you get to blame your own idiotic actions on somone else.
Also, I'm going to make a poll on starcraft.ro to see how many people in Romania (who are not accustomed to the US justice system) think the radio station is to blame. I'll come back with the results in a couple of days. 
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On January 14 2007 22:36 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:Ok Gandalf, say I'd give you 50$ to eat some weird-looking mushrooms. Would you do it? And if so, could I end up in jail if you die? I'm seriously asking, because i've heard of some really fucked up things in the criminal justice system of the US. It doesn't seem normal to me that the radio station is to blame. Yes, it would be great if they weren't idiots and looked up the risks, but SHE WAS NOT A GODDAMN CHILD, OR A RETARDED PERSON. You have to take responsabilities for your own actions! If you didn't know electric shock would kill you, could you blame the electric company if you stick your fingers in an outlet? I really, really understand the "she didn't know" argument, but she did it to herself, shouldn't she at least CONSIDER that there might be a risk? I hate it how you get to blame your own idiotic actions on somone else. Also, I'm going to make a poll on starcraft.ro to see how many people in Romania (who are not accustomed to the US justice system) think the radio station is to blame. I'll come back with the results in a couple of days.
Uhh NO ONE would eat "weird looking mushrooms" because, uhh, they're weird looking. If it were steaks, on the other hand, I would. Why? Because I eat steaks all the time, and I believe they aren't harmful. Weird mushrooms? No, thanks. Water? Sure, because I drink water all the time, every day, and it wouldn't occur to me that its actually harmful.
Bad example again.
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Also, this isn't a "bet" between two teenagers. This is a radio station doing something for publicity or w/e, and they're exposing people to it, and its their responsibility to be aware of anything that can go wrong.
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Ok final example:
Should you blame BLIZZARD for the people that died due to too much playign WOW? Or should those two parents who left their kid die sue blizzard for making wow?
I mean they used to play computer games all the time, they didn't think too much of it could harm them/their child. I think this is the most accurate example I can think of, hope it's satisfying.
I mean blizzard didn't state anywhere that you shouldn't play more than x hours. And they gave rewards in game for people who did play a lot, like higher levels, etc. It's not the exact same thing, but it's really close, and it's the people's fault, as usual.
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On January 15 2007 00:25 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:Ok final example: Should you blame BLIZZARD for the people that died due to too much playign WOW? Or should those two parents who left their kid die sue blizzard for making wow? I mean they used to play computer games all the time, they didn't think too much of it could harm them/their child. I think this is the most accurate example I can think of, hope it's satisfying. I mean blizzard didn't state anywhere that you shouldn't play more than x hours. And they gave rewards in game for people who did play a lot, like higher levels, etc. It's not the exact same thing, but it's really close, and it's the people's fault, as usual.
should you blame gun manucturers for shootings?
should you blame tobacco companies for causing lung cancer?
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On January 15 2007 00:25 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
I mean blizzard didn't state anywhere that you shouldn't play more than x hours.
I'm almost certain every single game comes with a warning against prolonged playing, somewhere along the lines of "rest 15 minutes every 1 hour of playing" or something similar to that language in order to avoid such liability.
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On January 15 2007 00:35 geometryb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2007 00:25 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:Ok final example: Should you blame BLIZZARD for the people that died due to too much playign WOW? Or should those two parents who left their kid die sue blizzard for making wow? I mean they used to play computer games all the time, they didn't think too much of it could harm them/their child. I think this is the most accurate example I can think of, hope it's satisfying. I mean blizzard didn't state anywhere that you shouldn't play more than x hours. And they gave rewards in game for people who did play a lot, like higher levels, etc. It's not the exact same thing, but it's really close, and it's the people's fault, as usual. should you blame gun manucturers for shootings? should you blame tobacco companies for causing lung cancer? Should we blame the water bottling company for bottling the water?
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On January 15 2007 00:43 Klogon wrote:
[Should we blame the water bottling company for bottling the water?
hmmm. didn't a coffee company get sued for making coffee hot without the proper warning labels? i think people need to know of the dangers of drinking too much water now.
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Yes exactly, so don't blame the radio station for her actions!
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Yeah, and maybe food companies should put warnings such as "Please don't consume more than 145 serving sizes in a 2 hour period" or something else.
I mean it is all unfortunate and everything... but pointing fingers in this situation isn't "just" in my opinion.
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On January 15 2007 00:25 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:Ok final example: Should you blame BLIZZARD for the people that died due to too much playign WOW? Or should those two parents who left their kid die sue blizzard for making wow? I mean they used to play computer games all the time, they didn't think too much of it could harm them/their child. I think this is the most accurate example I can think of, hope it's satisfying. I mean blizzard didn't state anywhere that you shouldn't play more than x hours. And they gave rewards in game for people who did play a lot, like higher levels, etc. It's not the exact same thing, but it's really close, and it's the people's fault, as usual.
Haha man I love you! Its great to discuss something and not have it deteriorate into a flame war
Ok, this is my take on your example about Blizzard:
Blizzard manufactures WOW and sells it to whomever wants to purchase and play it. In a similar fashion, watter bottling companies sell bottled water to whomever. Agreed? Neither will be liable if a person dies or gets injured because of either excessive playing or excessive drinking. Why is this? Because neither company is *forcing* the consumers to do so. There is no compulsion, no reward, nothing. It is left entirely up to the consumer.
This competition was different though. A reward was being offerred, and that was direct compulsion. See the difference?
Were your example true, a lot of companies would be in a lot of shit. Gun manufacturers would be the first to be screwed. What about automobile companies? I mean, a lot of people die in car crashes. And so on and so forth.....you get the drift.
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if you drink 2-3 litre of water in a very short time, it is UNEVITABLE do die, the amount of water depends on ypur type.
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On January 15 2007 03:47 rest_less wrote:
if you drink 2-3 litre of water in a very short time, it is UNEVITABLE do die, the amount of water depends on ypur type.
Wrong. I have drink more than 3l of water in less than 1 min.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipudus
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This happened a long time ago in USA if i remember because a doctor told a pacient to drink as much water as she could (she had to put down on weight or something) and her cell exploded.
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I love how almost every reply with a quote is from Wikipedia... as though you have just learned something and you are 10x more credible... rofl o.O
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Water Poisoning....
To die by water poisoning is to suck at life.
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compulsion - an irrational need to perform some action, often despite negative consequences
reason - a intellectual faculty by which HUMANS seek or attain knowledge or truth ; reason is the power to think rationally and logically and to draw inferences ; (it defines us as humans)
Gandalf , i see in your post christian reasoning : blame Satan for everything worse that a human does(even towards himself) ;so i'll ask you where is the freewill God gave us?
(yes i wikip.ed)
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I thought it was common knowledge that drinking too much water too quickly can die? I remember reading about that in I can't remember where but it was fucking shit hot so this woman drank loads of water to avoid dehydration and ended up killing herself.
Also with an official event like that, you would expect the organisers had researched it properly and told contestants (probably just average joe's) that drinking lot of water can be lethal, and they might not actually want that Wii as much they thought at first.............
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I see your point Gandalf, but I can't agree.
If you take this on a slightly smaller scale, it happens with other things too.
As I said, in WoW, you get in-game-rewards for playing more. There are billions of contests on cola, water, soda, etc, that offer some sort of price if you send in x caps of beverage, or if you find the lucky something in the bag of product x.
So even though they're not flat-out telling them, they are encouraging their consumers to... consume more of their products. And if someone were to die from over-dose of pringles, nobody would blame pringles.
This was more straight-forward, but I don't see it fair that you could blame a person/company that did not force those people to do what they did in any way. It's free will. Sure, on some level the radio station is to blame. But that woman is to blame on a much higher level. Like 60 or something.
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This is really sad....But on a side note, I'm starting to see a connection between god and wikipedia...
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I kinda just had time to skim over 5 or 6 posts on each page.
This sucks...
Honestly the radio station shouldnt be blamed for this because like someone said, its not like the first thing that comes to mind when we think water, is DEATH. we think, water makes up like 75% of our body. so its good for you?
But the whole idea of the contest is completely idiotic. Not being alowed to take a piss... that part really does make it a bad contest. I could see Drinking the most water, piss or not But the not urinating part is probably what really made it fatal, she wasnt able to get rid of the excess water content so it just basically soaked into her like a sponge.
The Radio Station really should think through their Contests much more thoroughly.
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On January 15 2007 00:51 geometryb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2007 00:43 Klogon wrote:
[Should we blame the water bottling company for bottling the water? hmmm. didn't a coffee company get sued for making coffee hot without the proper warning labels? i think people need to know of the dangers of drinking too much water now.
Actually i do believe it was a fast food chain, that got sued because some lady bought a cup of coffee through the drive through, and while she was driving away she spilled it on her lap Scaulding her.
i dont know if it caused an accident or what other details but im 90% sure about this.
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On January 15 2007 00:51 geometryb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2007 00:43 Klogon wrote:
[Should we blame the water bottling company for bottling the water? hmmm. didn't a coffee company get sued for making coffee hot without the proper warning labels? i think people need to know of the dangers of drinking too much water now.
People need a warning label that reads: "warning: dont be stupid".
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mcdonalds was sued by an asshole because he burned himself when drinking coffee that he just bought and was obviously hot. he won and that is why there is this label that warns us that the contents of your styrofoam cup and apple pie (or whatever pie) is not cold, but hot.
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On January 14 2007 03:55 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2007 03:36 Aphelion02 wrote:
The ironic thing is that this might not have happened had it been alcohol instead of water. On the contrary, if she drank as much alcohol as she did water to the point where she suffered from water toxicity, she would die instead from alcohol poisoning. Either way, too much of anything can kill.
generally you throw up before you get to that point ;x
water poisioning is fairly common. didn u guys ever take DARE in school? this is like the first thing they tell you about taking ecstacy
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On January 15 2007 04:39 IntoTheWow wrote:
This happened a long time ago in USA if i remember because a doctor told a pacient to drink as much water as she could (she had to put down on weight or something) and her cell exploded.
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is awesome32274 Posts
Almost cow
edited for emoticon
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On January 15 2007 07:22 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2007 04:39 IntoTheWow wrote:
This happened a long time ago in USA if i remember because a doctor told a pacient to drink as much water as she could (she had to put down on weight or something) and her cell exploded.
DBZ!@!!@!#
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wow gj idiots. should've known better
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The hot coffee incident was not as outrageous as it first sounds. The woman didnt simply spill hot coffee on herself and sue. But rather spilled coffee that was at near boiling temperatures due to incorrect settings on machines which had already received numerous previous complaints about but were ignored.
As for the water death. Look, when a company puts together a public competition, they have to ensure a reasonable level of safety for their competition, or inform the public of the danger. They did neither, therefore they become liable since they sponsored the event and coerced peopled into participating with the expectation of living in the end.
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On January 14 2007 02:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Too much water also gets you high.
*Laughs at the few who will read this and then run off to try and trip on water*
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On January 14 2007 01:39 gLyo wrote:
To be fair, I think that it is excusable for the radio station to have thought water to be safe. It is terrible that the lady died, don't get me wrong. I don't think anyone can really be blamed.
i disagree, the same thing happened before to the frat guy who died from just drinking water until he died. This is one time when I wouldn't think it's dumb if her family sued for a whole bunch.
Although i can see why she was stupid to do it, but if they were allowing it she must've beleived it was safe, as would I.
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"should you blame gun manucturers for shootings?
should you blame tobacco companies for causing lung cancer?"
No because they clearly stated those risks and therefore are not liable.
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