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Chobohobo
United States945 Posts
On January 11 2007 21:05 Silverand Cold wrote: seriously people stop making a big deal about the battery life. One thing which is kinda a big deal is that the battery does not seem to be user changeable like in the iPods. What happens after a year when talk time goes down to 2 hours or worse and you have a 500-600 dollar device? | ||
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Storchen
Sweden4385 Posts
 I will buy one, love the design. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Details: Pros and Cons Etc. | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On January 11 2007 20:37 Wangsta wrote: Cisco obtained the name "I.Phone" (short for Internet Phone) from some company they bought in 2003, forgot the name but I am 99% sure about these dates. That company obtained a patent for the name I.Phone in 1996 or something, and patents expire after 7 years. Also, I.Phone and iPhone are different, stand for different things, and represent separate markets. Even if their patent was still valid, there would be no real case. Only partially correct. Don't have time to explain properly, but in a nutshell: - Cisco (through the company they purchased) has a registered TRADEMARK (not a patent). A registered federal trademark in the US lasts for ten-year terms that can be renewed and extended indefinitely as long as the mark is being used by the registrant to identify a good or service. - On the face of it, it appears that Apple is infringing on Cisco's intellectual property right with respect to the trademark "iPhone". Cisco is the owner of the registered trademark, and that brings with it a host of very powerful assumptions that favor Cisco. - BUT: Apple is not stupid. They are certainly smarter and more thoughtful than any of the amateur pundits that are posting all over the internet right now about how they blundered. Apple must've done their homework and determined that a) there is a legal basis on which they can use iPhone without Cisco's permission, AND/OR b) they are confident they can negotiate a satisfactory settlement with Cisco for continued use of the "iPhone" mark regardless of what the law says. Bottom line: Apple has done a risk assessment and concluded that the benefits outweigh the risks. They did not just do this on a whim. - Speaking of legal principles, there are a number ways Apple can joust with Cisco in the courtroom and come out on top. Off the top of my head: 1) Trademark rules in the US allow the use of the same mark by two different products/organizations if the product/industry is different enough so that consumers could not reasonably be confused between the two. There is actually a trucking/transportation company operating in N. America called "Sysco". They could probably call themselves "Cisco" and the real Cisco likely would not have a case against them because there is little reasonable chance of confusion (i.e. no one is going to call Cisco the trucking company to order internet equipment). Accordingly, Apple may argue that the iPhone cell phone is a significantly different product than what Cisco (Linksys) is offering (a VOIP phone) and that both companies should be allowed to use the "iPhone" name. I suspect this is why Apple's spokespeople having been heard repeating publicly the mantra that Apple is the first company to use the name "iPhone" for a cell phone. 2) Apple may try using the "McDonald's" defense. A trademark argument most famously used by our beloved fastfood chain, that anything that has a "Mc" in front of it, even if it has nothing to do with food (McPhone, McTshirt, McHouse, etc), is reasonably associated in the public's mind with our favorite global peddler of transfat-enriched food products and that McDonald's, by virtue of its marketing success, owns the entire family of potential trademarks. I think this argument is quaint, but weak. "i" is too weak as a distinguishing trademark, especially today. Too many products by too many companies are already out there for Apple to argue now that they somehow should have a monopoly on "i". They might of tried this a decade ago when the "iMacs" first started coming out, but too late now, me thinks. 3) The name "iPhone" may actually be too generic a term for any one company to claim exclusive ownership within an identifiable industry sector. In other words, both Apple AND Cisco may be able to use the name for their products. I'm no expert and I haven't spent much time thinking about this issue, so I'm sure there are plenty of other legal arguments Apple could make. Anyway, who cares? Clash of the titans, let the jousting begin! And the Apple phone looks like it could have some serious potential. I'd hold off on purchasing one though until it's gone through a few iterations first. The "iPhone" won't be a mature product for another two or three years at least. But there is little doubt Apple has another hit on its hands. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
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Mynock
4492 Posts
 Ouch? (BTW, for people never really getting into any of the iFad (like me) - what exactly is it that made me "change the way I look at music" in an iPod? Cause I honestly never understood what's so significantly different about an iPod and an mp3 player except for the HD space and the price.) -Mynock | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
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Pressure
7326 Posts
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
Me wants! And to all of you people complaining about 600$, I can assure you the danish price will not be lower than 800$.. Stupid danish prices... | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
Me wants! And to all of you people complaining about 600$, I can assure you the danish price will not be lower than 800$.. Stupid danish prices... | ||
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dredredre
100 Posts
This is how you will be remembered. | ||
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asel
Germany1601 Posts
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zdd
1463 Posts
On January 13 2007 14:58 dredredre wrote: All of you are mindless consumer sheep. An irreplacable part of the corporate ladder, the bottom rung. The masters offer you a new toy, and you obey. You never disappoint. This is how you will be remembered. Capitalism is going to be around for a long time, because it's fueled by greed. Countless utopian schemes have been tried, and nothing has worked, so it's for the best. | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20140 Posts
On January 13 2007 15:16 Yogurt wrote: when are they coming out with the iwasteofmoney? code name is ipod | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On January 13 2007 15:16 Yogurt wrote: when are they coming out with the iwasteofmoney? it is not wast of money if did not just buy a new iPod or/and a new cell and if you like style. In the states it will be out arround June in Europe unfortunatly later, arround November. And <3 rea :D toooo bad i never see you online ;( | ||
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
you're wrong sysco is a bulk food distributor WOOWOO | ||
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GuYuTe-
United States550 Posts
On January 13 2007 14:58 dredredre wrote: All of you are mindless consumer sheep. An irreplacable part of the corporate ladder, the bottom rung. The masters offer you a new toy, and you obey. You never disappoint. This is how you will be remembered. LOL, don't you have better things to do? Like maybe cutting yourself while you wallow in the misery of your existence? | ||
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decafchicken
United States20140 Posts
On January 13 2007 19:56 GuYuTe- wrote: LOL, don't you have better things to do? Like maybe cutting yourself while you wallow in the misery of your existence? The cutting insult is getting old. | ||
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