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JimmiC
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Ben...
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It sounds like the potential of a teacher's strike in Ontario starting on Monday could shake things up a bit. Apparently the Conservatives are quite concerned since this will bring up the sore spot in Ontario that is Doug Ford back to the fore, which could sink Conservatives in Ontario since every time something negative involving the Ford government happens, the Conservatives take a hit at the polls. | ||
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Rebs
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On October 04 2019 02:20 JimmiC wrote: That was probably the smart move, I mean dumb that he waited this long but it means that people like me could vote for them, whereas before he made this statement even if I wanted to for other reasons I couldn't because of my fear of us going backwards in a horrible way. Hopefully Theresa May kills it in the debates and makes the choice easy for me. That would be quite impressive if she does.. | ||
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I don't ultimately think this will be that big of a deal, but it does seem like an oversight on behalf of the Conservatives, especially given their past choices when attacking other parties. edit: here's the blog post where he talks about Jean. It's the one dated August 13th. The one dated August 6th does not reflect nicely on him. It really makes him seem like a judgmental jerk. Did they vet this guy at all before choosing him? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On October 03 2019 22:49 JimmiC wrote: Yes it does, it is softball because you should know it is comming and their are easy answers. Such as, yes I support womens right to choose. Or in my own life I dont believe it as an option, but it should and will remain an option for Canadian women, or lastly no it is always wrong and Ill work to reverse the rules. His non answer is the worst because it looks weak and leaves all of the majority of Canadians who are scared of option 3 and what prohibition of abortion ends up doing to society unable to vote conservative even if they wanted too. All the answers you provide oversimplify the issue and end up marginalizing both the patients and the providers. So , no its not a "super easy question" to answer and people oversimplifying the issue is a contributing factor to why the issue remains contentious. Catch phrases like "My Body My Choice" and "Abortion is Murder" are very simple statements. If anything they make dealing with the issue more difficult rather than less difficult. On October 04 2019 01:16 Ben... wrote: It sounds like the potential of a teacher's strike in Ontario starting on Monday could shake things up a bit. Apparently the Conservatives are quite concerned since this will bring up the sore spot in Ontario that is Doug Ford back to the fore, which could sink Conservatives in Ontario since every time something negative involving the Ford government happens, the Conservatives take a hit at the polls. In the last 50 years how many days has the same party run province of ontario and also been in power in Ottawa running Canada at a federal level? i'll bet you its less than 600 days. As I've said before... look for the Liberals to win this election. Its nice to see cutbacks to Ontario's education system because children's lives are over regulated by adults. if Ford had the skills of Mike Harris he could smash the teacher's union and have everyone in the province cheering him on. | ||
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On October 04 2019 09:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: All the answers you provide oversimplify the issue and end up marginalizing both the patients and the providers. So , no its not a "super easy question" to answer and people oversimplifying the issue is a contributing factor to why the issue remains contentious. Catch phrases like "My Body My Choice" and "Abortion is Murder" are very simple statements. If anything they make dealing with the issue more difficult rather than less difficult. In the last 50 years how many days has the same party run province of ontario and also been in power in Ottawa running Canada at a federal level? i'll bet you its less than 600 days. As I've said before... look for the Liberals to win this election. Its nice to see cutbacks to Ontario's education system because children's lives are over regulated by adults. if Ford had the skills of Mike Harris he could smash the teacher's union and have everyone in the province cheering him on. As someone who has lived a completely unregulated unsafe childhood. I strongly disagree. Coddling is bad but how does defunding education directly result in childrens lives being free of over regulation. Thats about stupidest correlation you can make.. unless you have proof that that majority of the funding is going into buying trophies for people coming in last that is an absurd claim.. EDIT: Regarding abortion, there is no devil in any details except for the people concerned. Those people have to live with their decisions and they are the most affected. Your opinion on what someone else is doing in this matter should be irrelevant. There is no oversimplifying. There is only simplifying. With a simple cutoff of only allowing it as long as its determined to be safe. Thats it. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/student-performance-does-not-reflect-increased-spending-on-ontario-public-schools "between 2006/07 and 2015/16, spending on public schools in Ontario increased from $20.2 billion to $26.6 billion—an increase of 31.5 per cent." The result has been declining math test results over the past decade. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-elementary-math-scores-declining-1.5262440 On October 04 2019 11:21 Rebs wrote: As someone who has lived a completely unregulated unsafe childhood. I strongly disagree. Coddling is bad but how does defunding education directly result in childrens lives being free of over regulation. I lived through Mike Harris obliterating the Teacher's Union just fine. Listening to their screaming, whining and complaining you would've thought the world was coming to an end. For the record, I grew up in a single parent household. I grew up on Wright Avenue in Toronto and Cawthra and Lakeshore in Mississauga. Not exactly 2 great neighbourhoods. There is nothing paying the teachers more money for a few more hours of supervising me and my classmates would've done to help me. Check my previous posts on "The Coddling Of The American Mind". Steve Paikin of "The Agenda" gives the book a fair treatment and it covers quite well how the over-regulation of childrens' lives by adults is producing dysfunctional adolescents. On October 04 2019 11:21 Rebs wrote: As someone who has lived a completely unregulated unsafe childhood. I strongly disagree. Coddling is bad but how does defunding education directly result in childrens lives being free of over regulation. Spending less on education means less money spent on the professional adults constantly interfering in the child's life. The Teacher's Union reflexive response to any threat to the pile of money the province gives them is to lower service levels. After this, the children fend for themselves rather than constantly appealing to a moral authority. https://tl.net/forum/general/480705-canadian-politics-mega-thread?page=56#1103 If you'd like to discuss the long term repercussions of over protecting children in great detail this post is a great place to start. On October 04 2019 11:21 Rebs wrote: EDIT: Regarding abortion, there is no devil in any details except for the people concerned. Those people have to live with their decisions and they are the most affected. Your opinion on what someone else is doing in this matter should be irrelevant. There is no oversimplifying. There is only simplifying. With a simple cutoff of only allowing it as long as its determined to be safe. Thats it. There is no simple cutoff. It varies from case to case and sometimes requires extensive diagnostic work to determine. who pays all that work? What level of urgency is this kind of diagnostic work given? Its not a "very easy question" to answer which is why people on the pro-abortion side are still debating and disagreeing the exact details of what "pro abortion" means. The lack of a very easy question to answer is also partly why the debate has raged on for decades. | ||
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Rebs
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On October 04 2019 11:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I lived through Mike Harris obliterating the Teacher's Union just fine. Listening to their screaming, whining and complaining you would've thought the world was coming to an end. For the record, I grew up in a single parent household. I grew up on Wright Avenue in Toronto and Cawthra and Lakeshore in Mississauga. Not exactly 2 great neighbourhoods. There is nothing paying the teachers more money for a few more hours of supervising me and my classmates would've done to help me. Check my previous posts on "The Coddling Of The American Mind". Steve Paikin of "The Agenda" gives the book a fair treatment and it covers quite well how the over-regulation of childrens' lives by adults is producing dysfunctional adolescents. Also Wright Ave and Cawthra and Lakeshore are pretty ok. Anywhere near Dixie is great now for that matter. I live downtown and have different priorities but all of those places are great now. Again for some reason you are translating funding to coddling. This is a huge fallacy. Like get the fuck over your "I did it, so can they. Attitude please." Its a consistent theme and you pretend like you overcame some seemingly insurmountable shit to do it when you have no idea what real obstacles are or you wouldnt speak this way. I've lived through murderous dictators, lawlessness on the streets, been robbed at gunpoint (cell phone and wallet snatching being a popular hobby). Places where training and education are big business but dont teach you anything, so really alot of parents spend their money just so you can teach yourself 90% of the shit you need and even then with the atrocious teaching standards the environment is ultra competitive because while the teaching is shit, the testing is insane. But thats not healthy. it also doesnt mean that a case of someone succeeding despite obstacles means that you shouldnt work to resolve obstacles Teachers being treated well and being paid well will have direct impact on the quality of the work. Its like any other bloody private sector industry. You will attract better talent to it if there is more financial incentive. And there should be. I dont need to check your book, because I agree with the sentiment in general. Over regulating children is not a great sell to me either. But how does reducing funding in education solve any of those problems? The answer is in better policy. Not in being an asshole. Again you are suggesting that more funding just means a teacher is going to hang around your head a bit longer. Those arent teachers. Those are glorified baby sitters. On October 04 2019 11:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote: There is no simple cutoff. It varies from case to case and sometimes requires extensive diagnostic work to determine. who pays all that work? What level of urgency is this kind of diagnostic work given? Its not a "very easy question" to answer which is why people on the pro-abortion side are still debating and disagreeing the exact details of what "pro abortion" means. The lack of a very easy question to answer is also partly why the debate has raged on for decades. Yes there is, the simple cutoff is the determination of a doctor. I literally play soccer with 9 medical professionals and two gyno's every Sunday. This is what they had to say when I just asked them your question It varies from case to case and sometimes requires extensive diagnostic work to determine. who pays all that work? The first part is true. The second part is not sometimes, its very rare. Again no one is happy about a situation where they need to make a determination to keep a pregnancy going or not. Its extremely damaging to the person so whoever is making that decision as long as its in an informed/safe manner. Respect their decision. And bringing life into the world just so it can be coddled more into hopeless math scores doesnt seem like a great idea in the first place. I am sure you would agree with that yeah ? | ||
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CorsairHero
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wot He criticized the Governor General for having dual citizenship in the past https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/dd6t2z/andrew_scheers_2005_blog_post_about_the_gg_having/ | ||
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On October 05 2019 01:54 CorsairHero wrote: Andrew Scheer the American wot He criticized the Governor General for having dual citizenship in the past https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/dd6t2z/andrew_scheers_2005_blog_post_about_the_gg_having/ And the Conservative party went after Thomas Mulcair basically non-stop for a while last election for having a dual citizenship, claiming that Mulcair's dual citizenship showed his loyalties were in question. They similarly attacked Stephane Dion a few elections back for the same thing. It's a bad look to say the least. | ||
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But I do believe the hypocrisy involved is definitely worth the shade they are getting for it. | ||
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On October 05 2019 03:33 Rebs wrote: But I do believe the hypocrisy involved is definitely worth the shade they are getting for it. This is ultimately what it comes down to. I don't care about Scheer's dual citizenship, and I don't think dual citizenship makes one any less Canadian. I do care about the fact that he has attacked others over dual citizenship while failing to mention that he himself has it as well. It's a bad look and reeks of bad faith. | ||
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