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1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
January 08 2015 10:25 GMT
#941
Poor woman never imagined she was going to have the same luck next morning ..
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
January 08 2015 10:27 GMT
#942
AFP confirmed that the police knows where are the 2 guys.
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Ishentar
Profile Joined February 2014
France122 Posts
January 08 2015 10:28 GMT
#943
However, this terror attack is very different from most of other attacks. Except the policemen who were killed because they fought the terrorists, the other victims have not been blindly assassinated like most of terror attacks, the cartoonists were executed in what's nearly their home, it's a very targeted attack, Stephane Charbonnier was "WANTED" by Al-Qaeda and other jihadists, it's assassination, not mass murder. And it's also extremely scary.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 08 2015 10:29 GMT
#944
On January 08 2015 19:27 Aeromi wrote:
AFP confirmed that the police knows where are the 2 guys.


Near Villers Cotterets apparently.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
January 08 2015 10:31 GMT
#945
On January 08 2015 19:28 Ishentar wrote:
However, this terror attack is very different from most of other attacks. Except the policemen who were killed because they fought the terrorists, the other victims have not been blindly assassinated like most of terror attacks, the cartoonists were executed in what's nearly their home, it's a very targeted attack, Stephane Charbonnier was "WANTED" by Al-Qaeda and other jihadists, it's assassination, not mass murder. And it's also extremely scary.

Yes, it's not quite comparable to the wanton indiscriminant murder that was seen in Mumbai. Also comparable is how the policemen in Paris, despite being severely outgunned, fought back instead of running away like in Mumbai.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23545 Posts
January 08 2015 10:31 GMT
#946
On January 08 2015 19:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 19:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:01 OtherWorld wrote:
The main title of Le Monde is "The French 09/11", and that's not what I expected from a newspaper such as LeMonde...
I mean, it's a terrible attack, and apparently it's still not over, but can it really be compared with something that did, iirc, around 3000 killings?

On January 08 2015 19:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 08 2015 18:56 Aeromi wrote:
According to a French journalist working for LeMonde, the guy did not use the subway, he uses a car.


Do you have link for another newsfeed than this one : http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/07/01016-20150107LIVWWW00152-en-direct-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php

People cited source but i would like to have two or three newsfeed to cross read.


http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/live/2015/01/07/en-direct-des-coups-de-feu-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_4550635_3224.html

Symbolically and in its effect, it might be really close indeed. And we are not talking about the death toll, obviously, but about a terror attack that leave the country traumatized and changes it forever.


There is probably more that separates the two than they have in common. It's convenient rhetoric though. That's not to make light of the situation but they are dramatically different in scope, scale, significance, among many other important factors.

If this was France 9/11 then what would it be if there was actually an attack that was really comparable?

Look, of course you are right. What Le Monde says is that there will be a "before" and an "after", just as it has been with 11/9. That's it. If you want, "11/9" is used in that context as "a terror attack that changes everything from the day it happens". That's pretty much it. You can think that "a terror attack that changes everything" shouldn't be called an "11/9" because an 11/9 is when four planes are diverted and kill 4000 people, and maybe you are right, but I don't think it's a big deal.


It's not even just about the deaths, but the targets, the planning, the masterminds, the ramifications, etc..... A more loose reference like "The day after" or something and mention 9/11 in the article would of been more appropriate.

The comparison is clearly hyperbolic and sensationalist for titles sake. If someone woke up from a coma and saw that headline they would be grossly misinformed by it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Ishentar
Profile Joined February 2014
France122 Posts
January 08 2015 10:35 GMT
#947
Selon des sources policières, c'est le gérant d'une station-essence à proximité de Villers-Cotterêt qui a "formellement reconnu" Chérif et Said Kouachi "les deux hommes soupçonnés d'avoir participé à l'attentat de Charlie Hebdo". Les deux hommes sont cagoulés, avec kalachnikov et lance-roquettes apparentes.

They have rocket launchers, WTH ?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 08 2015 10:36 GMT
#948
On January 08 2015 19:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 19:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On January 08 2015 19:01 OtherWorld wrote:
The main title of Le Monde is "The French 09/11", and that's not what I expected from a newspaper such as LeMonde...
I mean, it's a terrible attack, and apparently it's still not over, but can it really be compared with something that did, iirc, around 3000 killings?

On January 08 2015 19:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 08 2015 18:56 Aeromi wrote:
According to a French journalist working for LeMonde, the guy did not use the subway, he uses a car.


Do you have link for another newsfeed than this one : http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/07/01016-20150107LIVWWW00152-en-direct-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php

People cited source but i would like to have two or three newsfeed to cross read.


http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/live/2015/01/07/en-direct-des-coups-de-feu-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_4550635_3224.html

Symbolically and in its effect, it might be really close indeed. And we are not talking about the death toll, obviously, but about a terror attack that leave the country traumatized and changes it forever.


There is probably more that separates the two than they have in common. It's convenient rhetoric though. That's not to make light of the situation but they are dramatically different in scope, scale, significance, among many other important factors.

If this was France 9/11 then what would it be if there was actually an attack that was really comparable?

Look, of course you are right. What Le Monde says is that there will be a "before" and an "after", just as it has been with 11/9. That's it. If you want, "11/9" is used in that context as "a terror attack that changes everything from the day it happens". That's pretty much it. You can think that "a terror attack that changes everything" shouldn't be called an "11/9" because an 11/9 is when four planes are diverted and kill 4000 people, and maybe you are right, but I don't think it's a big deal.


It's not even just about the deaths, but the targets, the planning, the masterminds, the ramifications, etc..... A more loose reference like "The day after" or something and mention 9/11 in the article would of been more appropriate.

The comparison is clearly hyperbolic and sensationalist for titles sake. If someone woke up from a coma and saw that headline they would be grossly misinformed by it.

That's what I felt as well. I get the idea of the symbolic comparison, but imo what it just does is being sensationalist instead of characterizing the events that happened.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 10:38:36
January 08 2015 10:36 GMT
#949
Le monde is saying that they do not have confirmation of all rumors saying the police know where the suspects are. Le figaro saying they were guy saw with ski masks, long weapons and the same vehicule near Villers cotteret

BUT

Earlier they said they found the gateway car (the white one). So one of those information are incorrect since.
- They found the car so how can they have the same vehicules.
- They saw the guys with ski masks and the same car and ... they didn't found the gateway car.

It's confusing.

And i don't really understand why they would still wear masks.

EDIT :


Selon des sources policières, c'est le gérant d'une station-essence à proximité de Villers-Cotterêt qui a "formellement reconnu" Chérif et Said Kouachi "les deux hommes soupçonnés d'avoir participé à l'attentat de Charlie Hebdo". Les deux hommes sont cagoulés, avec kalachnikov et lance-roquettes apparentes.

Selon Le Point, le duo aurait braqué la station-service.

"
Police source, the owner of a gas station near viller cotter recognized for sure the two man. They were wearing masks and had kalashnikov and rocket launcher.

The journal "Le point" is saying that they robbed the gas station.

"

I'm sure there is so misinformation somewhere because all the informations aren't logical.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 08 2015 10:39 GMT
#950
I don't see why you would carry a rocket launcher when doing a precise assassination mission like they did tbh
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Ishentar
Profile Joined February 2014
France122 Posts
January 08 2015 10:40 GMT
#951
FFW_Rude the Aisne and Montrouge events are supposed to have no relation.

If the information are true, it's different people that made the attacks.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 08 2015 10:40 GMT
#952
On January 08 2015 19:39 OtherWorld wrote:
I don't see why you would carry a rocket launcher when doing a precise assassination mission like they did tbh


Doesn't require much imagination to figure out a scenario where rocket launcher would come in handy in a situation like this.. Situation is completely different right now compared to yesterday.
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Ishentar
Profile Joined February 2014
France122 Posts
January 08 2015 10:41 GMT
#953
Otherworld : They had no rocket launcher at Charlie Hebdo's shooting, maybe after their assassination they plan something else. I hope not.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
January 08 2015 10:41 GMT
#954
Lots of ramifications being reported right now.

Another shooting took place in Paris, as it's been reported in the thread already.

A grenade was thrown at a mosque in Le Mans (article in French).

An explosion of criminal origins occurred near a mosque in Lyon (article in French also).

More attacks on mosques are being reported. Looks like madness is beginning.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
January 08 2015 10:41 GMT
#955
I also find it hard to believe that they've managed to move around with an RPG launcher without being detected sooner

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one of the best responses I think
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 10:44:44
January 08 2015 10:42 GMT
#956
On January 08 2015 19:41 Spaylz wrote:
Lots of ramifications being reported right now.

Another shooting took place in Paris, as it's been reported in the thread already.

A grenade was thrown at a mosque in Le Mans (article in French).

An explosion of criminal origins occurred near a mosque in Lyon (article in French also).

More attacks on mosques are being reported. Looks like madness is beginning.


Muslims are non guilty

The Vigipirate plan is used in France, a friend working on a high school just received a call from police asking him not to allow anyone unknow to enter on the high school.
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Ishentar
Profile Joined February 2014
France122 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 10:44:31
January 08 2015 10:44 GMT
#957
ahswtini :

Nice drawing, what has happened at Charlie Hebdo will only gave birth to more freedom of speech, and more creation against terrorists;

They won't win, they can't win.

1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
January 08 2015 10:44 GMT
#958
On January 08 2015 19:41 Ishentar wrote:
Otherworld : They had no rocket launcher at Charlie Hebdo's shooting, maybe after their assassination they plan something else. I hope not.


It was reported already during yesterday's shooting that they were carrying a rocket launcher
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 10:48:28
January 08 2015 10:45 GMT
#959
The attacks on mosques are retarded. Even if one holds all muslims responsible, this won't achieve anything.

On January 08 2015 19:44 Ishentar wrote:
ahswtini :

Nice drawing, what has happened at Charlie Hebdo will only gave birth to more freedom of speech, and more creation against terrorists;

They won't win, they can't win.


I sure hope they don't win. We'll have overcome any fear of such attacks. That's why the censoring of the cartoons by some papers was such a letdown. They seem to fundamentally not understand what this is about.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23545 Posts
January 08 2015 10:45 GMT
#960
On January 08 2015 19:42 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 19:41 Spaylz wrote:
Lots of ramifications being reported right now.

Another shooting took place in Paris, as it's been reported in the thread already.

A grenade was thrown at a mosque in Le Mans (article in French).

An explosion of criminal origins occurred near a mosque in Lyon (article in French also).

More attacks on mosques are being reported. Looks like madness is beginning.


Muslims are non guilty


I just hope the Muslims show more restraint than the terrorists attacking them. I also hope the French authorities do what's right about the incidents.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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