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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Info #RTL #montrouge : le véhicule du suspect vient d'être retrouvé à Arcueil, Val de Marne. le suspect toujours recherché. Georges Brenier | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:22 1oo wrote: Yea could be that, i meant like everything ends up beeing about the same thing. The police officers are dying btw, isnt that murdering too? and how do u know hes alone, They know he is alone. But another man as been arrested apparently Montrouge: un suspect toujours recherché L'auteur présumé des tirs contre des policiers municipaux jeudi matin à Montrouge est toujours en fuite, a annoncé ce matin Bernard Cazeneuve, qui s'est rendu sur place. Dans le cadre de cette enquête, un autre homme, âgé de 52 ans, a été interpellé peu après les faits, selon des sources policières. Il portait un gilet pare-balles. Mais aucun lien n'a encore été établi entre ce suspect et la fusillade Montrouge. The presumed shooter against policeman at "Montrouge" is still fleeing. Another man 52yo as been arrested. He was wearing bulletproof vest but no link made for now with the shooting. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On January 08 2015 16:35 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: The problem is that those abrahamic faiths have the privilege of being called religions otherwise those books would be illegal and printers/distributers charged with hatespeech and public incitement to criminal acts. (Maybe not in the US with strong freedom of speed laws but I think in a lot of european countries at least) Such a strong freedom of speech when US media don't want to reproduce Charlie drawings, hu ? "Might hurt a religion". | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
The policewoman ( dunno if it's correct ) is dead :/ Newsfeed by LeMonde if you are interested : http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/live/2015/01/07/en-direct-des-coups-de-feu-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_4550635_3224.html | ||
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Ishentar
France122 Posts
The weapon used in the Montrouge Shooting is a MP5. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:45 Nouar wrote: Such a strong freedom of speech when US media don't want to reproduce Charlie drawings, hu ? "Might hurt a religion". Huh? | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:37 Squat wrote: Souns like a war zone down there at the moment. My condolences to France, this looks extremely ugly from what I can see on the news. It is described like this in media for the moment, because any gunfight/explosion today is announced as if it was linked to yesterday's events. The assault on Charlie Hebdo was dreadful, but until a link has been proven the other events are merely life as usual that gets a little more exposure (average is ~10 deaths/day due to firearms in France). Not to say the links don't exist, but I feel the journalists are overdoing it a bit so far. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
AP, Reuters, NY Times, Wallstreet Journal have refused to post the cartoons. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8216 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:45 Nouar wrote: Such a strong freedom of speech when US media don't want to reproduce Charlie drawings, hu ? "Might hurt a religion". This thing of not "offending" religious people is one of the biggest scam in history of democracy. Basically criticism and satire of religion has turned magically into racism and incitement to hatred. Like, I can say that Nietzsche is a pathetic monster and his philosophy completely dumb, and that's fine, but if I say the same about Mahomet or Jesus, I end up in court. Which is simply crazy. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
[offtopic] The guy said that those religion books if they were published now would be forbidden in europe, but not in the US cause there's a strong freedom of speech there. US press refused to show Charlie Hebdo drawings today in mourning, because some of them might hurt muslims.[/offtopic] RIP the cop who just died, it's 3km from where I live :-( Some mosquees and a car from a family of muslims were attacked in the night or this morning (grenades, shots, explosion). These reactions are shit. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:51 mdb wrote: AP, Reuters, NY Times, Wallstreet Journal have refused to post the cartoons. The spinless and utterly contemptible cowardice of this abject surrender is beyond words. If that's the case, then these guys have won. This is what they want; fear. I say plaster the cartoons all over Times Square. This is the time to show solidarity with the victims and stand up for free expression, now more than ever. Sad to see just how squeamish we've truly become. This thing of not "offending" religious people is one of the biggest scam in history of democracy. Basically criticism and satire of religion has turned magically into racism and incitement to hatred. Like, I can say that Nietzsche is a pathetic monster and his philosophy completely dumb, and that's fine, but if I say the same about Mahomet or Jesus, I end up in court. Which is simply crazy. My understanding of French law is that freedom of expression is quite commendably protected in its constitution? I've seen plenty of harsh and scathing criticism of religion in this country which did not lead to any convictions. In fact, I just read about a case where a court threw out a case like you described, citing freedom of expression. I could be wrong of course, and I'll happily be corrected if I am. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8216 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:50 Oshuy wrote: It is described like this in media for the moment, because any gunfight/explosion today is announced as if it was linked to yesterday's events. The assault on Charlie Hebdo was dreadful, but until a link has been proven the other events are merely life as usual that gets a little more exposure (average is ~10 deaths/day due to firearms in France). Not to say the links don't exist, but I feel the journalists are overdoing it a bit so far. Not at all. There are between 4 and 500 people getting killed by firearm per year in France, so it's actually a bit more than one a day. Also you would find that an immense majority of those killings are gangsters shooting other gangsters. It's exceptionally rare and serious that a policeman is killed for no apparent motive in the middle of the street. | ||
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Ishentar
France122 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:56 Aeromi wrote: According to a French journalist working for LeMonde, the guy did not use the subway, he uses a car. Do you have link for another newsfeed than this one : http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/07/01016-20150107LIVWWW00152-en-direct-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php People cited source but i would like to have two or three newsfeed to cross read. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
I mean, it's a terrible attack, and apparently it's still not over, but can it really be compared with something that did, iirc, around 3000 killings? On January 08 2015 19:01 FFW_Rude wrote: Do you have link for another newsfeed than this one : http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/07/01016-20150107LIVWWW00152-en-direct-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php People cited source but i would like to have two or three newsfeed to cross read. http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/live/2015/01/07/en-direct-des-coups-de-feu-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_4550635_3224.html | ||
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Ishentar
France122 Posts
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/en-direct-charlie-hebdo-un-suspect-entendu-deux-autres-activement-8543938.html http://www.20minutes.fr/ http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/en-direct-carnage-a-charlie-hebdo-le-jour-d-apres-08-01-2015-1894849_23.php BFM TV I Tele France 24 (FR/EN) | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:57 Biff The Understudy wrote: Not at all. There are between 4 and 500 people getting killed by firearm per year in France, so it's actually a bit more than one a day. Also you would find that an immense majority of those killings are gangsters shooting other gangsters. It's exceptionally rare and serious that a policeman is killed for no apparent motive in the middle of the street. Depends if you take suicides into account or not. Agreed a policeman dying to assault rifle in the middle of the street is not the most common. | ||
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