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On January 09 2015 06:11 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. this thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/471242-tl-recruiting-heroes-of-the-storm-staffdoesn't contain the word business or anything like you described... and now that peoples passion lies in league of legends its less of a good reason? finally those writers have a front page.
More like this response blog: http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/471311-on-passion
Granted, there aren't that many Mod/Staff posts on it, but the ones there all say the same general idea, that it's a site for passion and community, and that TL isn't a money making venture.
On January 09 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. I don't think they still try to act like the #passion anymore. althou I don't know what you are refering to with the comments from former Liquid Dota players. But I have to admit that the sc community was toxic as fuck towards league. I hope that changes.
Ex-Liquid.Fluff did an AMA or something, I think, or at least said on stream about how bad Liquid was as an organization for managing a team. Don't want to overstate or misquote anything he said, but it was generally negative.
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On January 09 2015 06:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:11 ComaDose wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. this thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/471242-tl-recruiting-heroes-of-the-storm-staffdoesn't contain the word business or anything like you described... and now that peoples passion lies in league of legends its less of a good reason? finally those writers have a front page. More like this response blog: http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/471311-on-passionGranted, there aren't that many Mod/Staff posts on it, but the ones there all say the same general idea, that it's a site for passion and community, and that TL isn't a money making venture. Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. I don't think they still try to act like the #passion anymore. althou I don't know what you are refering to with the comments from former Liquid Dota players. But I have to admit that the sc community was toxic as fuck towards league. I hope that changes. Ex-Liquid.Fluff did an AMA or something, I think, or at least said on stream about how bad Liquid was as an organization for managing a team. Don't want to overstate or misquote anything he said, but it was generally negative.
I don't understand what you think has changed tho. the mods/writers that have been writing league articles for years are still doing it for free.
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On January 09 2015 06:40 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 06:11 ComaDose wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. this thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/471242-tl-recruiting-heroes-of-the-storm-staffdoesn't contain the word business or anything like you described... and now that peoples passion lies in league of legends its less of a good reason? finally those writers have a front page. More like this response blog: http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/471311-on-passionGranted, there aren't that many Mod/Staff posts on it, but the ones there all say the same general idea, that it's a site for passion and community, and that TL isn't a money making venture. On January 09 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. I don't think they still try to act like the #passion anymore. althou I don't know what you are refering to with the comments from former Liquid Dota players. But I have to admit that the sc community was toxic as fuck towards league. I hope that changes. Ex-Liquid.Fluff did an AMA or something, I think, or at least said on stream about how bad Liquid was as an organization for managing a team. Don't want to overstate or misquote anything he said, but it was generally negative. I don't understand what you think has changed tho. the mods/writers that have been writing league articles for years are still doing it for free.
Sure they have. And again, I hope Liquid expands to whatever games they want and does it well. Esports needs more organizations that are stable and professional.
Just as long as they are being professional about it, and not being whatever they want to be whenever its convenient.
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On January 09 2015 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:40 ComaDose wrote:On January 09 2015 06:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 06:11 ComaDose wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. this thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/471242-tl-recruiting-heroes-of-the-storm-staffdoesn't contain the word business or anything like you described... and now that peoples passion lies in league of legends its less of a good reason? finally those writers have a front page. More like this response blog: http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/471311-on-passionGranted, there aren't that many Mod/Staff posts on it, but the ones there all say the same general idea, that it's a site for passion and community, and that TL isn't a money making venture. On January 09 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. I don't think they still try to act like the #passion anymore. althou I don't know what you are refering to with the comments from former Liquid Dota players. But I have to admit that the sc community was toxic as fuck towards league. I hope that changes. Ex-Liquid.Fluff did an AMA or something, I think, or at least said on stream about how bad Liquid was as an organization for managing a team. Don't want to overstate or misquote anything he said, but it was generally negative. I don't understand what you think has changed tho. the mods/writers that have been writing league articles for years are still doing it for free. Sure they have. And again, I hope Liquid expands to whatever games they want and does it well. Esports needs more organizations that are stable and professional. Just as long as they are being professional about it, and not being whatever they want to be whenever its convenient.
I think you're confusing Liquid the pro team (business) and Team Liquid the community website (passion). It's been that way for a very long time and why they separated the two entities online with the teamliquidpro website.
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Liquid following the money.. which is expected for a business.
Doesn't really affect me because the only esport I care about is Starcraft 2. Still, congratulations to all parties involved.
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TL you treadet LoL like shit for long time and now you come back. I hope not to many forget this. Because your 180 turn flip jump is a good thing but you should write a big peace of excuse me to the people who tried to contribute in the past and the community.
Anways GL in LoL. You need some success as a Pro Gaming Team
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On January 09 2015 06:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:11 ComaDose wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. this thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/471242-tl-recruiting-heroes-of-the-storm-staffdoesn't contain the word business or anything like you described... and now that peoples passion lies in league of legends its less of a good reason? finally those writers have a front page. More like this response blog: http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/471311-on-passionGranted, there aren't that many Mod/Staff posts on it, but the ones there all say the same general idea, that it's a site for passion and community, and that TL isn't a money making venture. Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 06:25 sabas123 wrote:On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club. I don't think they still try to act like the #passion anymore. althou I don't know what you are refering to with the comments from former Liquid Dota players. But I have to admit that the sc community was toxic as fuck towards league. I hope that changes. Ex-Liquid.Fluff did an AMA or something, I think, or at least said on stream about how bad Liquid was as an organization for managing a team. Don't want to overstate or misquote anything he said, but it was generally negative.
you definitely overstated and misquoted lmfao
he said he had no problems with management in terms of enabling the players to play comfortably but felt that liquid failed to promote them as players (implying he wanted commercial marketing of an individual - basically what you see with rtz with eg, or dendi with navi)
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On January 10 2015 07:52 tadL wrote:
TL you treadet LoL like shit for long time and now you come back. I hope not to many forget this. Because your 180 turn flip jump is a good thing but you should write a big peace of excuse me to the people who tried to contribute in the past and the community.
Anways GL in LoL. You need some success as a Pro Gaming Team
dont u mean a 360
also do we really need to take the opinion of fluff ? The guy is a whining crybaby who got kicked for a good reason
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Until liquiddota was around, the only thing separating Dota2 from LoL was the fact that Dota2 articles were featured whereas LoL wasn't. Both had staff that were doing consistent writing in their respective forums and a community to go along with it. While the TL community as a whole isn't hugely accepting of LoL, I would hardly say the administration has tried to snub the League community.
It makes sense that LiquidLegends would be created later than the other sites because TL isn't as large a part of the League community as it is for Dota and HS.
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On January 10 2015 08:22 packrat386 wrote:
It makes sense that LiquidLegends would be created later than the other sites because TL isn't as large a part of the League community as it is for Dota and HS.
Hopefully that will change with this Liquid/Curse merger tho. 
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On January 10 2015 08:22 packrat386 wrote:
Until liquiddota was around, the only thing separating Dota2 from LoL was the fact that Dota2 articles were featured whereas LoL wasn't. Both had staff that were doing consistent writing in their respective forums and a community to go along with it. While the TL community as a whole isn't hugely accepting of LoL, I would hardly say the administration has tried to snub the League community.
It makes sense that LiquidLegends would be created later than the other sites because TL isn't as large a part of the League community as it is for Dota and HS.
Well that alone was pretty meh tbh...
I actually think there is some truth to the comments of thorin and monte, but whatever, NOW TL stands behind lol.
That's something, right?
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This... is kinda huge. It either spells doom for TeamLiquid as we know it, or it's the next big thing in esports. Again.
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On January 10 2015 07:52 tadL wrote:
TL you treadet LoL like shit for long time and now you come back. I hope not to many forget this. Because your 180 turn flip jump is a good thing but you should write a big peace of excuse me to the people who tried to contribute in the past and the community.
Anways GL in LoL. You need some success as a Pro Gaming Team
If you're this mad over liquid not following the same priorities as you you could always just leave.
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On January 09 2015 05:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 03:00 KeksX wrote:On January 09 2015 00:59 Zato-1 wrote:
Is this the same Liquid'Nazgul who publicly dismissed LoL as a casual game? This looks like a very cynical, opportunistic move to me. Teamliquid is a business, he can't just do what he has or has not (allegedly) passion for. Except for, you know, all the times they use "this isn't a business" as a cop-out. Remember a few months ago when they were looking for Heroes writers, and some people were asking "what are the salary/benefits?" I believe the go-to line then was basically that TL isn't a business, it's all passion and community and people who want to do stuff for the site because they love it so much. Personally, I'd love to see TL become a legitimate Esport organization that crosses into as many games as it wants, and treats its players and staff with professional integrity. But all things considered (especially considering some comments from former Liquid DotA players), it still seems like Liquid is stuck between acting like it's all about #passion and #liquidfamily, and trying to become a major Esports club.
The community site and team are both kind of different entities.
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This is pretty cray cray.
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On January 10 2015 12:24 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 07:52 tadL wrote:
TL you treadet LoL like shit for long time and now you come back. I hope not to many forget this. Because your 180 turn flip jump is a good thing but you should write a big peace of excuse me to the people who tried to contribute in the past and the community.
Anways GL in LoL. You need some success as a Pro Gaming Team If you're this mad over liquid not following the same priorities as you you could always just leave.
He does have a point imho. I recall the original release from Naz explaining why Liquid would support Dota 2 vs LOL....seems like a pretty quick change of heart that should be properly explained if Liquid Legends hopes to have any credibility with the LOL scene.
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On January 11 2015 05:43 Mike Tyson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 12:24 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 10 2015 07:52 tadL wrote:
TL you treadet LoL like shit for long time and now you come back. I hope not to many forget this. Because your 180 turn flip jump is a good thing but you should write a big peace of excuse me to the people who tried to contribute in the past and the community.
Anways GL in LoL. You need some success as a Pro Gaming Team If you're this mad over liquid not following the same priorities as you you could always just leave. He does have a point imho. I recall the original release from Naz explaining why Liquid would support Dota 2 vs LOL....seems like a pretty quick change of heart that should be properly explained if Liquid Legends hopes to have any credibility with the LOL scene.
I don't think it's that quick, personally. League has undergone quite a few changes since Victor's original comments, especially with the Summoner's Rift makeover for S5. On top of that, merging with an established League team eliminates a lot of the logistical work required to make a team from scratch, which means it makes a lot more business sense for a team that didn't want to put that kind of work into the game originally.
To reiterate, Liquid didn't want to invest a huge amount of time and resources building up a League team from scratch; they preferred to do that with DotA 2. Curse came along and said, "We already have the players, management, and staff. We just need a brand." Done deal.
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Shouldn't you also consider the matter that the release quotes from the 2 owners say that Liquid approached TL 1st? Its perfectly plausible that without that opportunity presented to them that they wouldn't have a LoL team anytime soon, but that they said "hey why not" when presented with a sound opportunity on the business end and able to please a section of its community. 2 Birds one stone and people here are too bitter for no reason. Monte just likes to talk like that as if he is some fountain of wisdom.
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Awesome! I'll enjoy watching LCS even more now.
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