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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
now, all the liberals and libertarians should wrap their heads around this - you use an army to kill people, there's no way around it. whomever agrees with it now is an accessory to murder. also, someone mentioned a proposed or alluded 2% spending; let me fill you in on what's the plan there: EU will leave NATO and that 2% is just masked under/in parallel with the required NATO contribution. they'll just transfer it over. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9304 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:39 xM(Z wrote: i remember me pitching this EU army as a reality months ago and especially the germans were in total denial and very aggressive in shutting that slim possibility down ; well damn dudes ... shit came full circle and now everyone is embracing it. now, all the liberals and libertarians should wrap their heads around this - you use an army to kill people, there's no way around it. whomever agrees with it now is an accessory to murder. also, someone mentioned a proposed or alluded 2% spending; let me fill you in on what's the plan there: EU will leave NATO and that 2% is just masked under/in parallel with the required NATO contribution. they'll just transfer it over. Can you explain the bolded part? What are they trying to mask? | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:42 Plansix wrote: Wait, people die in wars? This was poorly explained to me in the soft, liberal echo chamber of higher education I attended and I've never seen a movie in my life. They don't. Don't be a fool, White Ubermenschen don't die in wars against the black-jewisch Bolschewists with islamic heritage. | ||
Nixer
2774 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Of course one should be prepared to actually use force if necessary. Si vis pacem, para bellum. Never gets old, unfortunately. This is quite far away from an actual EU army, of course it's a possibility in the future but it's still quite a long way away. However I don't see countries jumping ship from NATO quite yet. It's more of a beginning of a proper framework if anything. Still it certainly surprised me. In a good way. On November 15 2017 02:55 Sent. wrote: Can you explain the bolded part? What are they trying to mask? I assume he means that the 2% is already covered and in use in a NATO agreement. (Although infamously not many countries actually meet this benchmark) On November 15 2017 02:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I'm not quite sure that the Russians invaded Poland just for the sole purpose of invading Germany. Other way around :p | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10146 Posts
On November 15 2017 00:55 warding wrote: So now that the EU is on the path to having its own army, who should we invade first? Switzerland obviously. And Norway as a revenge for vikings. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
The Liechtenstein National Police is responsible for keeping order within the country. It consists of 87 field officers and 38 civilian staff, totalling 125 employees. All officers are equipped with small arms. During Liechtenstein’s last military engagement in 1886, none of the 80 soldiers sent were injured, and 81 returned, including a new Italian “friend”. We should also be vary of Italians in this regard. They seem to have a secret alliance with the micro state. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 15 2017 03:28 TheDwf wrote: We should invade the main tax havens in Europe: Netherlands, Luxembourg, Ireland. We should genuinely threaten to sanction tax havens, that we have them inside the EU combined with the veto rights is one of the biggest reasons we cannot get serious reform done. When the US demanded the Swiss to hand over criminal records in 2011 or 2012 (iirc) the issue was resolved pretty quickly | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22415 Posts
On November 15 2017 04:58 Nyxisto wrote: We should genuinely threaten to sanction tax havens, that we have them inside the EU combined with the veto rights is one of the biggest reasons we cannot get serious reform done. When the US demanded the Swiss to hand over criminal records in 2011 or 2012 (iirc) the issue was resolved pretty quickly See, the thing is that they will then just move to a different tax haven. You can't stop it without global measures. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
Just look at the Ireland / Apple tax situation. We can't even get them to take their own darn tax collections back because they're afraid that they'll stop being a convenient destination for apple's tax schemes. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:55 Sent. wrote: Can you explain the bolded part? What are they trying to mask? Masking the non-compliance with the defense spending target, possibly by declaring development aid as defense spending. That's what I could interpret. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1962 Posts
On November 15 2017 02:39 xM(Z wrote: i remember me pitching this EU army as a reality months ago and especially the germans were in total denial and very aggressive in shutting that slim possibility down ; well damn dudes ... shit came full circle and now everyone is embracing it. now, all the liberals and libertarians should wrap their heads around this - you use an army to kill people, there's no way around it. whomever agrees with it now is an accessory to murder. also, someone mentioned a proposed or alluded 2% spending; let me fill you in on what's the plan there: EU will leave NATO and that 2% is just masked under/in parallel with the required NATO contribution. they'll just transfer it over. No, we laughed at your conclusion. It went like that: - The EU will create a european army under the lead of the germans - the germans are trying to get their empire back after they failed in the 20th century. - Europe under germany will then start to attack neighbours, because that's what empires do. The European nations already have armies, coordinating logistical and training effects does not suddenly increase the threat this army poses. If the european countries can save money by not maintaining 40 different tanks, great. Afterwards they can still park the now existing 3 tank types in their barracks like they do it right now. Imperialistic pigs with their standing army. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
The Iraqi who saved Norway from oil well worth a read. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On November 15 2017 06:06 Broetchenholer wrote: you forgot the note/disclaimer at the end of your post: this post contains fictional and dramatic reenactments; reader discretion is advised.No, we laughed at your conclusion. It went like that: - The EU will create a european army under the lead of the germans - the germans are trying to get their empire back after they failed in the 20th century. - Europe under germany will then start to attack neighbours, because that's what empires do. The European nations already have armies, coordinating logistical and training effects does not suddenly increase the threat this army poses. If the european countries can save money by not maintaining 40 different tanks, great. Afterwards they can still park the now existing 3 tank types in their barracks like they do it right now. Imperialistic pigs with their standing army. now let me tell you a story: 1)- me: EU wants an an army men. -you(as in, your whole clueless side): Fuck off dude, EU is an economic union only. 2)-me: EU officials have statements on record about wanting an army/how better it would be with an EU army. you: Fuck off dude, that means nothing or you're misreading/taking things out of context; it'll never happen because veto exists and agreements are needed and ... economical-sociopolitical unity only WTF!. 3)-me: the germans the duch and the czechs started unifying brigades and tank divisions then centralized commands of <various military units> to use as a base for an eventual EU army. -you: ... 4)-me: EU builds an army. -you: fuck yea, it's about time!. 5)-me: ??? but, the actual problem with your whole side is the failure to see the (natural)progression from 1 to 4; you dudes always(and this is unbelievable to me) see those as separate/distinct points(in time and fucking space, to go full SF here) with no connection to each other then treat them as such. i'm perplexed by the ability of the liberal to not follow a simple causal link, be it logical or factual.+ Show Spoiler + there's also the see the causality but never admit it here even when lives depend on it, but that's for another time @the 2%: there are countries who do not want to give NATO 2% because it's US controlled and limited in its attributions(doesn't serve their interests); an EU army provides them with the perfect excuse to increase their defense spending, make those MICs happy and achieve their dreams. countries already with 2%@NATO will give nothing more(monetary wise) to the EU army. also, 2% has/is a familiar value by now(psychology on the masses) since it was used so many times in conjunction with NATO spending, that people got used to it. Edit: about the deterrent factor - give me a break dude, you already have NATO; what, you need 2 deterrence armies to be safe?. the EU army is to be used abroad, offensively, to defend EU interests(killing (other then us)people in the process). Ex: what frenches did in Mali or how the italians sent their army to defend/protect (private)economical interests in Irak(a dam if i remember correctly) ... etcetcetc. | ||
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Nixer
2774 Posts
NATO and an EU army in the same space does not make sense so you've got one thing right for once, but I don't see NATO losing its grip on these countries completely any time soon. As for your fantasy of the EU army to be an offensive force in places of interest.. Well, that's indeed just fantasy and a preposterous statement. | ||
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