European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 947

On September 25 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
The refugee topic is perhaps so pointed in how strongly it intersects with a broad range of other issues of concern. A government consensus for short-sighted decisions that very strongly do not reflect the views of the masses. Cultural and governing differences among member states that are not flexible to any old order from Germany. Economic and demographic stagnation and ill-fated attempts to reverse them. The question of whether the EU can deal with these issues ("EU reform" is always thinly veiled code for "more integration" so that phrase doesn't deserve to be taken seriously). Dealing with even more unemployed individuals without the skills to contribute positively to economics, but with strong tendencies to contribute to crime and to terrorism. And the laughable hypocrisy of German/EU leadership, who can seamlessly transition from "open the floodgates" to "we gotta clamp down on immigration and make deals with Turkey" in but a moment's notice.

Oh sure, it's not a single, overarching issue that trumps all others. But it should be no surprise that immigration alone gets so much attention. What should be more surprising is how despite proving to be one remarkably ineffective leader and a flip-flopper, that Merkel continues to find a coalition to stay in charge. Though given that many of the loudest "Hillary Clinton isn't even that bad" voices come out of Germany, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. The East Germans, at the very least, seem to be a little more sane. The few of them that are left, that is.

On September 25 2017 08:18 Clonester wrote:


A minority Gouvernment by CDU/CSU and FDP are in my opinion more realistic then a CDU/CSU-SPD gouvernment, even if a possible 3 party coalition falls apart midterm.

On September 25 2017 09:09 TheNewEra wrote:
still amazed that a Russian(LL is a Russian right? If not, take this back) is happy that a party which is happy about WW2 soldiers accomplishments went into our parliament.

On September 25 2017 09:12 Nixer wrote:

Yup. Russian living in the US.

On September 25 2017 06:07 virpi wrote:
@refugee topic: Yes, 2015 was managed poorly. No denial. But it's simply absurd to think that Germany will suffer substantially from the mass immigration. It will cost a lot of money and it also will lead to some problems in urban areas. But there are more pressing issues: EU, digitalization, taxes, the healthcare system, pensions, education, etc.

On September 25 2017 14:17 Nyxisto wrote:
The standards in Germany are a little bit different. This is the first time a borderline racist / nationalist /whatever term you like party moves into the Bundestag. The golden rule until now was Josef Strauß "there must be no democratically legitimsed party right of the CSU", so this is really fucked up for a lot of people, even if they "only" got 12%.

On September 25 2017 16:47 r.Evo wrote:

I'd drop the "borderline" and be more specific: Part of the party leadership represents genuine democratic interests. However, that wing of the party (pretty much the ones around Petry) has lost power in favor of elements that do embrace racism, anti-Semitism and nationalistic viewpoints. They're associating themselves with organisations that are already under surveillance due to being right-wing extremist (the Identitarian movement comes to mind).

They, as a party, have decided to be open and even welcoming to all kinds of extremist elements. People who called for the shooting of refugees at the border, people who want homosexuals to be jailed, people who want to celebrate German WW2 achievements. All of them and more are part of the core identity of the AfD at this point and the party as a whole has decided to keep them around.

We're (hopefully) in for a bit of a shitshow when those two major movements within the AfD eventually clash. I wouldn't be surprised if a third or even half of that party ends up tied up in legal issues due to these extremist views. By all means, work with those who show an actual respect for the German constitution, for German traditions and values. Those who overstep those boundaries do not need to be tolerated and not doing so is a core part of the design of the German post-WW2 system as a whole.

On September 25 2017 16:34 Dingodile wrote:


My biggest worry is that CDU invite >500.000 refugees yearly unannounced. Germany will suffer from that amount. They said "200.000 refugees maximum yearly" but this exclude familiy reunifcation.
My city in NRW (120.000 inhabitants) is a nighmare since then. I cannot go to inner city anymore, feels more black than white people around.

CDU wins with 33,0%. Not even every third person is for CDU. Bayern has the biggest CSU loss, they had 49,3% in 2013, now 38,0%.

On September 25 2017 19:05 Simberto wrote:


I really hope they will prove as incompetent as any other extremist right-wing party has so far. Every time the NPD got into a Landtag, they had major infighting, didn't get anything done, and had amazing amounts of corruption. They usually weren't reelected afterwards.

On September 25 2017 19:16 Godwrath wrote:
I am perfectly fine with a democratic "fuck you" if there are no politician that represents me in a reasonable manner. I find the afd victory to get into german politics repugnant.

I don't know a thing about german politics to see if there is a % of the population who could (in my view) legitimaly vote for a "fuck you" but maybe you should try to see how you got there in the first place rather than continue to be dismissal about what is going as if it is only an statistical rarity which won't get to be the norm.

And if the answer to that is only "politicians who exploited racism and xenophobic tendencies due to circumstancial factors", you are in for a long list of dissapointments. Because either you already have a good chunk of your population being racist, so the situation will get normalized and you will have to deal with it anyways, or you are continuing to ignore the people who are eager to tell you go fuck yourself if ignored.