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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:03 TheDwf wrote: Correct me if I'm mistaken, but don't you live outside of the country where you were born? Well yes, but until you clarify that sounds like a gigantic strawman. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:03 TheDwf wrote: Correct me if I'm mistaken, but don't you live outside of the country where you were born? Are you trying to imply that once you're an immigrant, you have to support all immigrants? I don't think that's how it works. Immigration should be based on skills not at random. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 25 2017 03:59 LegalLord wrote: Expel them would be a decent solution, yes. Not without damage of course but stupid decisions in the past require painful responses in the present. What's your stance on German bankers causing the trouble of 2008 that has caused 1000-times the cost of taking in refugees. Gulag? Gas chamber? Obviously you can't throw Germans out of Germany. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
www.tagesschau.de E: of course preliminary Sending refugees from war zones back to camps in Turkey where they have no future while Europe's population continues to dwindle is surely what we need. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:06 Big J wrote: What's your stance on German bankers causing the trouble of 2008 that has caused 1000-times the cost of taking in refugees. Gulag? Gas chamber? Obviously you can't throw Germans out of Germany. Was it Germans though? I thought it was a world financial crisis. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:06 Big J wrote: What's your stance on German bankers causing the trouble of 2008 that has caused 1000-times the cost of taking in refugees. Gulag? Gas chamber? Mostly hyperbole to try to distract from the fact that removing refugees not given a path to citizenship is nothing like any of those. On September 25 2017 04:06 Big J wrote: Obviously you can't throw Germans out of Germany. Yes, if they already have citizenship they can't be thrown out. But those with significantly less legal authority for existing in the country, not sure you can really call them Germans. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:10 sc-darkness wrote: Was it Germans though? I thought it was a world financial crisis. Insert any country you want. It was a mass phenomenom in the financial sector. People buy stupid things because others buy stupid things, pyramid scheme implodes, nobody believes they are responsible because "everyone did it". People believe too much in trends and regression algorithms as it is the only way too handly big data fast. Incomplete information and mass behavior --> reason why people who believe in market forces are idiots. Back to the question: How does someone like LL deal with people who cause actual problems. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9270 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:08 Artisreal wrote: Graphical representation of voter shifts www.tagesschau.de If I got this right AfD received 500 000 votes from former SPD suporters. From center left to far right in four years lol | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:16 Sent. wrote: If I got this right AfD received 500 000 votes from former SPD suporters. From center left to far right in four years lol AfD also got 430k from Die Linke, which is way more to the left than the SPD | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:16 Sent. wrote: If I got this right AfD received 500 000 votes from former SPD suporters. From center left to far right in four years lol You're correct in your understanding. Somewhere in the statistic they lost/mingled the previous nonvoters. And from the supposed far left (die linke) they gained nearly as much as well. Those I, personally, attribute to Eastern German voters who are against the system and/our afraid of foreign domination albeit having seen noon bio Germans only on TV. But that's just my prejudice and one year living in Leipzig talking | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
To categorically deny another grand coalition though, and Schulz really attacked her hard, did hit her unprepaired. She looked genuinely shocked. I don't think the CDU was informed at all and she thought she could continue to govern on like this for another four years. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
AfD says they are going to go into opposition: Neoliberals and Conservatives (and of course also not the mainstream media that is heavily supporting anything on the right) who have like a 90% political overlap with them don't even mention that there are possible coalitions with them. Right-winged, a special kind of being mentally-challenged. Edit: Ah yeah, obviously CDU and FDP also won't talk to the The Left. But hey, everything is democratic if you are a right-wing oligarch-controlled idiot choosing who to speak with, but noone else must have a different opinion! | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
The voting system is indirect (thus pretty much no one in the population cares about sénatoriales...) and is detrimental to new parties which don't have local representatives yet (EM, FI). But mostly, the austerity measures for local collectivities angered the elected representatives (they are the ones who vote for senators). Mélenchon's movement did not participate (didn't want to make alliances with other left-wing parties, which are basically forced if you want to get senators). The FN got no senator. Social-democrats now have ~70 senators, down from 86 previously. The communists still have a group in the Senate. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9270 Posts
On September 25 2017 04:49 Big J wrote: It's funny, SPD says they are going to go into opposition: Neoliberals and Conservatives call them undemocratic in every comment, saying everyone has to talk to everyone. AfD says they are going to go into opposition: Neoliberals and Conservatives (and of course also not the mainstream media that is heavily supporting anything on the right) who have like a 90% political overlap with them don't even mention that there are possible coalitions with them. Right-winged, a special kind of being mentally-challenged. Edit: Ah yeah, obviously CDU and FDP also won't talk to the The Left. But hey, everything is democratic if you are a right-wing oligarch-controlled idiot choosing who to speak with, but noone else must have a different opinion! I know report button exists but maybe asking nicely will work: Would you kindly stop calling people with different views mentally-challenged? | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
https://www.bundeswahlleiter.de/en/bundestagswahlen/2017/ergebnisse.html | ||
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856 Posts
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Germany2952 Posts
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