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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
On April 04 2017 04:00 bardtown wrote: The funniest thing is NL beating Germany. Why? Because they're closer? Feels like a lack of ambition to me. Revenge for 1688? | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
Nothing really to take revenge for, given that they were invited. And I doubt many people even know about it. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On April 04 2017 04:00 bardtown wrote: The funniest thing is NL beating Germany. Why? Because they're closer? Feels like a lack of ambition to me. as people stated some comment ago, anglo-german relationship is really recent when it comes to war, rivalry with the dutch and spain (both of them once challenging naval power) and france (to deny continental dominance) were bigger edit: also good to know that the responsible for the terrorist attack in russia have been exposed | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 04 2017 04:19 LightSpectra wrote: William of Orange was invited by seven parliamentarians, which doesn't justify an invasion. Unless you also happen to think a Russian invasion of England would be justified if the Liberal Democrat MPs signed a letter asking for it. Yeah, that might indeed make it justified if a significant part of the government asked a foreign nation to intervene. But it would ultimately be judged in the court of winner's justice. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
What sort of people you are? This is hilarious. Old Brits are treasure to this world. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On April 04 2017 08:36 lastpuritan wrote: https://twitter.com/FreeThinker2030/status/848609864427483136 What sort of people you are? This is hilarious. Old Brits are treasure to this world. Skip to 3.45 if it doesn't automatically. People are pretty touchy about this subject. A previous British government was in talks with Spain about co-sovereignty, in response to which Gibraltar held a referendum and voted 99% against shared rule. It's worth making it clear from this outset that it's not up for negotiation. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On April 04 2017 09:59 Nyxisto wrote: glad that we've reached the "fight me irl" stage of Europe two days after the Brexit negotiations have started lol. Mitterand's 'nationalism is war' was no hyperbole. I'm sure there'll be some point in the future where people will recognise this role of the European Union again. Yea I had this thought. It took literally a couple of days. >< Worst part is that Europe is full to the brim of all these small border disputes accrued over 1000 years of war. Just as people are finally starting to talk about rearming too. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On April 04 2017 10:07 bardtown wrote: What an idiotic comment. The EU caused this by giving Spain a veto over the situation of a territory which it has not had any say in for 300 years. The people of this territory rejected Spanish co-sovereignty by 99%. If anything it is another illustration of how little the EU cares about democracy. It is antagonistic and bullying. Gibraltar also voted to stay in the European Union last year, so they presumably want to keep all the benefits that being in the European Union entailed, so things are a little more complicated. Also the new UK-EU deal following the negotiations will have to be ratified by the European council unanimously, so Spain gets a veto anyway, this is just how the EU works. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5275 Posts
Background: things, have been going on for a while there; it could also be that it's the piece of land that started it all - UK didn't want EU to control the strait. Strategically important, Gibraltar was reluctantly ceded to Great Britain by Spain in the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht; the British garrison was formally declared a colony in 1830. In a referendum held in 1967, Gibraltarians voted overwhelmingly to remain a British dependency. The subsequent granting of autonomy in 1969 by the UK led Spain to close the border and sever all communication links. Between 1997 and 2002, the UK and Spain held a series of talks on establishing temporary joint sovereignty over Gibraltar. In response to these talks, the Gibraltar Government called a referendum in late 2002 in which the majority of citizens voted overwhelmingly against any sharing of sovereignty with Spain. Since late 2004, Spain, the UK, and Gibraltar have held tripartite talks with the aim of cooperatively resolving problems that affect the local population, and work continues on cooperation agreements in areas such as taxation and financial services; communications and maritime security; policy, legal and customs services; environmental protection; and education and visa services. Throughout 2009, a dispute over Gibraltar's claim to territorial waters extending out three miles gave rise to periodic non-violent maritime confrontations between Spanish and UK naval patrols and in 2013, the British reported a record number of entries by Spanish vessels into waters claimed by Gibraltar following a dispute over Gibraltar's creation of an artificial reef in those waters. A new noncolonial constitution came into effect in 2007, and the European Court of First Instance recognized Gibraltar's right to regulate its own tax regime in December 2008. The UK retains responsibility for defense, foreign relations, internal security, and financial stability. . if UK gets to keep it(as is) and closes the strait(or randomly asks for new tariffs) for EU bound shipping/trading ... | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10107 Posts
On April 04 2017 10:07 bardtown wrote: What an idiotic comment. The EU caused this by giving Spain a veto over the situation of a territory which it has not had any say in for 300 years. The people of this territory rejected Spanish co-sovereignty by 99%. If anything it is another illustration of how little the EU cares about democracy. It is antagonistic and bullying. What veto ? As far i know this all started because the UK didn't include Gibraltar into the negotiations when it's fiscal exceptionality certainly warrants for it. Klackon is on the money here. | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
On April 04 2017 16:00 xM(Z wrote: if UK gets to keep it(as is) and closes the strait(or randomly asks for new tariffs) for EU bound shipping/trading ... Europe and Africa are separated by 7.7 nautical miles (14.3 km; 8.9 mi) of ocean at the strait's narrowest point. (...) The Strait [of Gibraltar] lies mostly within the territorial waters of Spain and Morocco, except for at the far eastern end. The United Kingdom (through Gibraltar) claims 3 nautical miles around Gibraltar putting part of the Strait inside British territorial waters, and the smaller-than-maximal claim also means that part of the Strait therefore lies in international waters according to the British claim. However, the ownership of Gibraltar and its territorial waters is disputed by Spain, meanwhile Morocco dispute the far extern end (of Ceuta). UK can't close the strait or impose tariffs for passing, as the part of the strait it claims is too small to block passage through. It's also much less than what Spain and Morocco control. | ||
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Philoctetes
Netherlands77 Posts
This Howard guy is one of those Englishmen that still think they are in charge of an empire. But they need to get it into their thick skulls that their own blebs, which they egged on with lies and xenophobia themselves, voted for England to step out of the UK. England is out of the UK. It has no say anymore over Gibraltar, Northern Ireland, Scotland, or pieces of rock on the other side of the globe. These English empire-dreamers should be more concerned about how they are able to pay their financial obligations to the EU. | ||
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