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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15391 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4118 Posts
On March 15 2017 03:49 a_flayer wrote: The approval rating of the government as a whole on one of those polling sites went up by 0.5 points over the course of the weekend. It bothers me how people are so easily swayed from one camp to another. I still dislike Rutte and don't see him as a "leader" but rather as a wily politician. Looking at the other party leaders, Rutte never seemed that bad to me. In 2010 I thought Cohen would be a more capable PM, but in 2012 and this year I think he's the best option for PM. Now with best I don't mean good, but hey, I guess we gotta take what we can get. Unfortunately I don't agree with the VVD at all so I won't be voting for them, but I don't think he's that bad. Now as for the polls, they may be a couple seats off, but I don't think they pulled the downwards trend for Wilders out of thin air. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On March 15 2017 07:18 Mohdoo wrote: What in the world is going on over there? Is Le Pen actually gonna get elected? No because of the 2 cycle election process (kind of what california is doing (?)). She might, unfortunately receive surprising support in the primaries but you have to have faith that all voters will vote for her opponent in the second cycle regardless of who he is. Erdogan seems to be reading a general history book to inspire his newfounded vocabulary of insulting references regarding various European countries . . . | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
CDA will probably get more then the polls predict. All in all I think we are pretty safe in the Netherlands due to our political system. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4514 Posts
On March 15 2017 16:46 lastpuritan wrote: So what I understand Wilders is can only be elected if there's a second right wing party gets as much as him? He's polling at around 22 seats, which is roughly 14,66% of the votes, so he'll need some more  | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On March 15 2017 09:21 Kipsate wrote: Wilders probably will get less then the polls predict. CDA will probably get more then the polls predict. All in all I think we are pretty safe in the Netherlands due to our political system. What makes you think that? In germany, rightwing parties often do better than in polls. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6190 Posts
CDA is also centre right btw. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 15 2017 18:44 ZBiR wrote: What parties do you have in mind? Only thing that comes to my mind are the Russian politicians that offered to partition Ukraine, but I wouldn't talk about elections and parties in their political system. Both Wilders and Le Pen have repeatedly expressed that they subscribe to the idea there are better people and worse people (just google some of their public statements). This time, the "worse people" are usually Muslim immigrants, not "just about everyone who isn't properly German", but the logic is very similar. I do not want to go here into another round of debate on immigration, so I just hope we can agree that labelling people in this way is a huge problem, as to our nation was definitely shown by the six years that started exactly 78 years ago. I do not think that debating "who is actually fascist" is too productive at this day, but I just noticed the date and couldn't help but reflect on it. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4690 Posts
On March 15 2017 20:14 opisska wrote: Both Wilders and Le Pen have repeatedly expressed that they subscribe to the idea there are better people and worse people (just google some of their public statements). This time, the "worse people" are usually Muslim immigrants, not "just about everyone who isn't properly German", but the logic is very similar. I do not want to go here into another round of debate on immigration, so I just hope we can agree that labelling people in this way is a huge problem, as to our nation was definitely shown by the six years that started exactly 78 years ago. I do not think that debating "who is actually fascist" is too productive at this day, but I just noticed the date and couldn't help but reflect on it. So You dont want to discuss who is fascist and who is not but comparing someone to Hitler is ok? I mean i dont Like Wilders or LePen but that does sound a little hypocritical. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 15 2017 20:26 Silvanel wrote: So You dont want to discuss who is fascist and who is not but comparing someone to Hitler is ok? I mean i dont Like Wilders or LePen but that does sound a little hypocritical. He compared the rhetoric - and only the rhetoric - of those people to Hitler's. That's completely valid and does not automatically imply that he thinks they are fascists. I fully agree with him. Even if they are not fascists, when I aks myself "how would a fascist behave in the modern times, if he wanted to be successful with the broad masses and at least pave the road to eventual fascism" the answer is: "like party/politician X", then that is too much for me. It means I couldn't differentiate them from actual fascists. As we can see with recent events, at one day you may vote for some "strong statesman" that finally "cleans up", at the next they take you back to the religiously-fundamentalist world, rig elections, supress the free media and introduce policies of expulsion towards kurds, while threatening to take land from neighboring countries. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On March 15 2017 18:09 RvB wrote: Wilders usually.does worse than in the polls historically. We've seen the same trend this election where Wilders polled 30+ seats a while ago and he fell back to the low 20s. CDA is also centre right btw. This, polls are quite unreliable for Wilders historicaclly, CDA has a fair chance at overperforming because they fucked their voter base years ago when they decided to go into a (pseudo)goverment with the PVV. Buma might be the one able to reclaim that old voter base once again. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30545 Posts
Wilders is still within polling margins of becoming the largest. It can still happen. Turnouts seem to be higher than last time so far. And it's great weather. Not sure which party benifits the most from that. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
When Wilders and Rutte faced off on national television Monday evening, the Freedom Party leader told the prime minister that “we must directly expel the Turkish ambassador and the rest of his staff from the country, otherwise we accept that we are being insulted.” Rutte’s response was to tell Wilders: “That’s the difference between tweeting from your couch and governing the country. If you govern the country, you have to take sensible decisions, and that isn’t sensible.” I laughed my ass off. On March 15 2017 21:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Turnouts seem to be higher than last time so far. And it's great weather. Not sure which party benifits the most from that. Good weather favors name recognition, or the first name on the ballot. People with very strong opinions will go out no matter the weather/traffic. The people that only drag themselves to the polls because they remember grandpa talking about their civic duty are less likely to be fiercely partisan. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
I believe leftist parties overall benefit more from great weather. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 15 2017 22:07 Kipsate wrote:I believe leftist parties overall benefit more from great weather. I think it is usually "whoever rules" that benefits from temporary good mood modificators like good weather. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 15 2017 22:15 Big J wrote: I think it is usually "whoever rules" that benefits from temporary good mood modificators like good weather. We should make the elections in the middle of the winter for the largest chance on snowy/icy conditions and the Communist party won't even reach the threshhold because almost all their voters are elderly | ||
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