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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 08 2017 18:14 GMT
#13181
On February 09 2017 02:58 Nyxisto wrote:
LL is the sputnik news of Teamliquid, whatever is the newst anti-EU talking point in Russian news is going to come your way here, it's not new.

You're funny.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4726 Posts
February 08 2017 18:42 GMT
#13182
But he is right.
Pathetic Greta hater.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 18:47:52
February 08 2017 18:45 GMT
#13183
On February 09 2017 03:42 Silvanel wrote:
But he is right.

Not at all. But I do understand the appeal of "everyone opposed is just Russian propaganda."

Hell of a lot easier than introspection, I'll tell you that much.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 08 2017 20:13 GMT
#13184
I wouldn't have made that comment if it weren't for your particular bait-ish tone recently. Like, you can't just wander into a discussion with a comment like "yeah the EU really is dying, ought to be replaced by something better and why isn't Germany lording over Europe btw" or the polish plumber thing.

This is exactly the kind of inflammatory stuff that comes out of Russian or more broadly anti-EU news sources.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-08 20:32:08
February 08 2017 20:26 GMT
#13185
On February 09 2017 05:13 Nyxisto wrote:
I wouldn't have made that comment if it weren't for your particular bait-ish tone recently. Like, you can't just wander into a discussion with a comment like "yeah the EU really is dying, ought to be replaced by something better and why isn't Germany lording over Europe btw" or the polish plumber thing.

This is exactly the kind of inflammatory stuff that comes out of Russian or more broadly anti-EU news sources.

Not really. You consistently make such comments whenever you are faced with commentary you don't like. I find it's not really worth taking you seriously as a poster for that reason. That's not even getting into the fact that what you posted is a severe strawman of my position.

You remind me of that one British MP who said "Russia bombed Syria to encourage Brexit" then "Russian hackers made Brexit happen." It's about as absurd in its lack of introspection, yet widespread appeal within a specific echo chamber subsect of the population.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 08 2017 22:40 GMT
#13186
LL is certainly biased, but so is everyone. he is not as biased as zeo for example
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4726 Posts
February 09 2017 09:42 GMT
#13187
Its hard to top zeo when it comes to bias i will give him that.
Pathetic Greta hater.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
February 09 2017 12:26 GMT
#13188
Man, Sweden is really leading the way when it comes to tolerance and submission.

There's a migrant rape case pretty much every day, but some really do take your breath away:
Rapist gets 2 months in jail

So young men go to Sweden, pretend to be younger than they are so they can go to schools. This one rapes a fourteen year old, doesn't get punished, so he rapes a second girl and goes to jail for TWO months. Swedish authorities say he was 18 when he came to Sweden, but because during the trial he says he's only seventeen, he's treated as a minor.

Sorry to use Infowars, but there aren't any other English language sources. Because of course there aren't, wouldn't want to appear intolerant of rapists.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
February 09 2017 12:32 GMT
#13189
Is it your position that other news sites don't publish many of the stories that end up on infowars solely because they don't "want to appear intolerant of rapists?" Do you think there are other reasons that news sites don't publish similar stories? What kind of investigation do you think infowars does?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-09 12:42:59
February 09 2017 12:36 GMT
#13190
Infowars doesn't do any "investigation" or "journalism". At best they translate, at worst they copy and add their own biases.

I just reckon you'd rather read an English text than an "English" Google Translate copy of a Swedish article.

And I don't know why, but at least German media is very good about concealing the origin of the rapist / murderer / violent aggressor.
They usually describe it as: "young man" or "man in his thirties" and whenever they can: "young man, born in Bavaria".

Now if that happens once, it's an isolated incident. But it's been happening daily, it's systemic.

Last week there's been a murder of an Arab man here in in Rheinland Pfalz. Local media made it sound like a right wing hate crime when in fact the murderer was a Syrian immigrant.

I really don't want to defend Infowars, I think Alex Jones is a class A moron, but honestly, European MSM is extremely close to power (parteinah), so they jump through all possible hoops as to not make migrants look bad.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11822 Posts
February 09 2017 13:00 GMT
#13191
On February 09 2017 21:26 DickMcFanny wrote:
Man, Sweden is really leading the way when it comes to tolerance and submission.

There's a migrant rape case pretty much every day, but some really do take your breath away:
Rapist gets 2 months in jail

So young men go to Sweden, pretend to be younger than they are so they can go to schools. This one rapes a fourteen year old, doesn't get punished, so he rapes a second girl and goes to jail for TWO months. Swedish authorities say he was 18 when he came to Sweden, but because during the trial he says he's only seventeen, he's treated as a minor.

Sorry to use Infowars, but there aren't any other English language sources. Because of course there aren't, wouldn't want to appear intolerant of rapists.


Sweden has around 6k rapes reported yearly (according to wiki). That translates to around 16 per day.

Sweden has 1,676,264 immigrants (according to Wiki) in the 9,981,799 population. This means immigrants are 17% of the population according to that definition. They should be committing ~3 rapes per day to be part of the normal trend. If they only commit one a day they are much better than the normal Swedes.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
February 09 2017 13:13 GMT
#13192
It's more complicated than that. It's really difficult to find proper stats on that, because Sweden just expanded their definition of rape so far that mansplaning, manspreading and having impure thoughts about women constitutes rape as well. Slight exaggeration, of course.

Point is, they would have had a huge spike in "rapes" independent of immigration anyway because they widened the definition.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 09 2017 13:23 GMT
#13193
If they just expaned the definition the stats provided by Yurie apply because they cover 2009-2013.

Your point of data being difficult to obtain (i.e. wikipedia data doesn't suffice standards needed for an argument) still stands, I don't condone your reasoning for the lack of data though which seems just MGTOW-esque and completely unnecessary here.
You might not agree with Sweden's definition of rape, but that has nothing to do with obtaining data from a year before so don't bring up totally unrelated things you want to get worked up about.
passive quaranstream fan
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
February 09 2017 13:26 GMT
#13194
What's MGTOW? I'm at work so I'm hesitant to google that.
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-09 13:34:49
February 09 2017 13:32 GMT
#13195
On February 09 2017 22:00 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 21:26 DickMcFanny wrote:
Man, Sweden is really leading the way when it comes to tolerance and submission.

There's a migrant rape case pretty much every day, but some really do take your breath away:
Rapist gets 2 months in jail

So young men go to Sweden, pretend to be younger than they are so they can go to schools. This one rapes a fourteen year old, doesn't get punished, so he rapes a second girl and goes to jail for TWO months. Swedish authorities say he was 18 when he came to Sweden, but because during the trial he says he's only seventeen, he's treated as a minor.

Sorry to use Infowars, but there aren't any other English language sources. Because of course there aren't, wouldn't want to appear intolerant of rapists.


Sweden has around 6k rapes reported yearly (according to wiki). That translates to around 16 per day.

Sweden has 1,676,264 immigrants (according to Wiki) in the 9,981,799 population. This means immigrants are 17% of the population according to that definition. They should be committing ~3 rapes per day to be part of the normal trend. If they only commit one a day they are much better than the normal Swedes.


Immigrants according to your definition includes immigrants from all parts of the world -i.e. Danes, Americans, Poles, Vietnamese, and of course also Middle eastern.Some of these groups will pull down the average, whereas others will increase it. We can't really tell which as Sweden does not keep data on ethnicity/nationality and thus we can't really stratify on this highly important confounder. However, your estimate seems non-informing at best, manipulative at worst. If we were to impute the prior nationality/ethnicity of Swedish immigrants based on data from Denmark (which wouldn't be entirely unreasonable, but more work than I can be bothered to do) and the stratified, I think you would see a significant different picture than the one you are trying to paint.

EDIT: mgtow is apparently "men going their own way" - some obscure subreddit which I've never heard of before.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17982 Posts
February 09 2017 13:38 GMT
#13196
On February 09 2017 22:13 DickMcFanny wrote:
It's more complicated than that. It's really difficult to find proper stats on that, because Sweden just expanded their definition of rape so far that mansplaning, manspreading and having impure thoughts about women constitutes rape as well. Slight exaggeration, of course.

Point is, they would have had a huge spike in "rapes" independent of immigration anyway because they widened the definition.

So what you're saying is that immigrants found guilty of rape in Sweden committed actual rape, whereas native Swedes found guilty of rape were actually innocent and got "mansplaned", "manspread" or whatever shitty misogenystic term you choose to give it.

I'm just gonna say: [citation needed]
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-09 13:44:42
February 09 2017 13:42 GMT
#13197
On February 09 2017 22:38 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 22:13 DickMcFanny wrote:
It's more complicated than that. It's really difficult to find proper stats on that, because Sweden just expanded their definition of rape so far that mansplaning, manspreading and having impure thoughts about women constitutes rape as well. Slight exaggeration, of course.

Point is, they would have had a huge spike in "rapes" independent of immigration anyway because they widened the definition.

So what you're saying is that immigrants found guilty of rape in Sweden committed actual rape, whereas native Swedes found guilty of rape were actually innocent and got "mansplaned", "manspread" or whatever shitty misogenystic term you choose to give it.

I'm just gonna say: [citation needed]


a) That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying we have no way of knowing.
b) How is that misogynistic? Those are terms invented by feminists to describe negative male behaviour.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 09 2017 13:54 GMT
#13198
Men going their own way.
If their webpage wasn't so funny it would be really sad
passive quaranstream fan
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17982 Posts
February 09 2017 13:55 GMT
#13199
On February 09 2017 22:42 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2017 22:38 Acrofales wrote:
On February 09 2017 22:13 DickMcFanny wrote:
It's more complicated than that. It's really difficult to find proper stats on that, because Sweden just expanded their definition of rape so far that mansplaning, manspreading and having impure thoughts about women constitutes rape as well. Slight exaggeration, of course.

Point is, they would have had a huge spike in "rapes" independent of immigration anyway because they widened the definition.

So what you're saying is that immigrants found guilty of rape in Sweden committed actual rape, whereas native Swedes found guilty of rape were actually innocent and got "mansplaned", "manspread" or whatever shitty misogenystic term you choose to give it.

I'm just gonna say: [citation needed]


a) That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying we have no way of knowing.
b) How is that misogynistic? Those are terms invented by feminists to describe negative male behaviour.

If we have no way of knowing, then why is
On February 09 2017 21:26 DickMcFanny wrote:
Man, Sweden is really leading the way when it comes to tolerance and submission.

There's a migrant rape case pretty much every day, but some really do take your breath away:
Rapist gets 2 months in jail

anything other than ballyhoo?
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1448 Posts
February 09 2017 13:57 GMT
#13200
On February 09 2017 22:42 DickMcFanny wrote:a) That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying we have no way of knowing.


Earlier in this page you wrote "Man, Sweden is really leading the way when it comes to tolerance and submission", but now you've seemed to lost confidence and are now claiming "we have no way of knowing"?
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