EPTSome crazies say those men are needed to form the European army because the locals wouldn't want to enlist. Other crazies say it's because (((THEY))) want to mix European and Middle Eastern cultures so it will be easier to expand the EU towards the South. Example
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
Some crazies say those men are needed to form the European army because the locals wouldn't want to enlist. Other crazies say it's because (((THEY))) want to mix European and Middle Eastern cultures so it will be easier to expand the EU towards the South. Example | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 06 2016 22:21 Sent. wrote: WhiteDog is right but I think this "import" is also a result of governments trying to help the refugees while being completely unprepared for that. Totally. We are mostly helping those refugee for humanitarian purposes, which is great, but with insufficient regulation. I think there is right in every argument to a certain degree, even the crazy argument you mention. But, the european union also admitted they wanted to tone down nationalism through various means in order to promote a possible unification of the european people - the way the euro was thought is quite clear on that for exemple (no national figure or monument on the bills to prevent nationalism). They argue for migration within the european union since the beginning. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On October 06 2016 21:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So why import millions of mostly unskilled migrants from Africa and the Mid East when half the jobs will be automated in 10 years anyway. Cheap(er) labor isn't the only reason, declining demography and the aging of the population are decisive factors too. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On October 07 2016 02:36 Sent. wrote: That Polish abortion ban was rejected today. What were the numbers for/against? | ||
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Sent.
Poland9275 Posts
Total votes: 428, Reject: 352, Don't reject: 58, Abstain: 18 Glorious Supreme Leader Kaczyński said his party wants to protect life but that project was too radical and would achieve the opposite of what was intended. His party promised to prepare their own project someday but I doubt they will do this in this term. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On October 06 2016 22:21 Sent. wrote: WhiteDog is right but I think this "import" is also a result of governments trying to help the refugees while being completely unprepared for that. Some crazies say those men are needed to form the European army because the locals wouldn't want to enlist. Other crazies say it's because (((THEY))) want to mix European and Middle Eastern cultures so it will be easier to expand the EU towards the South. Example If anything it should tell you just how shit the left is. Even despite its history people would prefer to flock to Nazi's who use this to label (((people))) rather than stick up with this social justice shit the left is peddling. It's literally the labour platform in the UK. They don't have much to say, they just want to celebrate equality, diversity, and social justice. "A more equal society, a more socially just society." "Ok, great? What does that mean and how is it implemented?" | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On October 07 2016 05:47 SK.Testie wrote: What a great line of reasoning:If anything it should tell you just how shit the left is. Even despite its history people would prefer to flock to Nazi's who use this to label (((people))) rather than stick up with this social justice shit the left is peddling. It's literally the labour platform in the UK. They don't have much to say, they just want to celebrate equality, diversity, and social justice. "A more equal society, a more socially just society." "Ok, great? What does that mean and how is it implemented?" I don't want to read up on anything and they don't get to tell it to me in detail. So that means I don't know much about their issues. Come to think of it, there are a lot more people who also don't know much about their issues. But that fact is obviously on them. They should be able to explain themselves even to people who don't care. Without shoving their opinion down our throats of course! That would be the worst. And the fact that they can not square this circle is proof enough, that there must me no deep reason behind their words in the first place. So they are obviously just talking nonsense. :D | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On October 07 2016 07:26 lord_nibbler wrote: What a great line of reasoning: I don't want to read up on anything and they don't get to tell it to me in detail. So that means I don't know much about their issues. Come to think of it, there are a lot more people who also don't know much about their issues. But that fact is obviously on them. They should be able to explain themselves even to people who don't care. Without shoving their opinion down our throats of course! That would be the worst. And the fact that they can not square this circle is proof enough, that there must me no deep reason behind their words in the first place. So they are obviously just talking nonsense. :D That's not what I said. I didn't even begin on the point that they don't have an honest dialogue. They go to their talking points and their very shallow studies, but when confronted with hard facts they dismiss it and begin again from their talking points. I feel I can prove this a thousand times over. You're blaming the person for not buying what they're selling. If they're going to sell their idea and themselves, they need to sell it better. Or people will go to the person selling what seems and may be better at the time. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9170 Posts
Moscow is considering plans to return to Cuba and Vietnam where it had military bases in the past, Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Nikolay Pankov said on Friday, according to RIA news agency. “We are working on this,” Pankov said, while declining to elaborate. The Russian Defense Ministry is re-assessing the decisions made in the past to shut down the bases in those countries, according to the defense official. Previously the deputy head of the foreign affairs committee of the Russian parliament, Aleksey Chepa said that Russia “should re-assess the issue of our presence in other regions of the world. I believe that it would correspond with Russian interests to restore the bases in Latin America, Southeast Asia, and Africa that were closed,” as quoted by TASS. There were Soviet and Russian military bases in Cuba and Vietnam until 2002. The Russian navy was deployed in Cam Rahn, Vietnam, and Russia had a radio-electronic intelligence center in Lourdes, Cuba. While functioning, the Lourdes SIGINT facility was the largest of its kind operated by the USSR (and later Russia) outside of the country. The facility occupied 73 square kilometers and hosted some 1,500 employees at the peak of its activity. The Soviet Union leased the Cam Rahn base rent-free from 1979 until 2004. In June 2001, the Vietnamese government announced that following the expiry of Russia's lease, Hanoi would “not sign an agreement with any country to use Cam Ranh Bay for military purposes.” However, at the end of 2014, a deal was signed between Russian and Vietnam, setting up standards of use of Russian warships in the port of Cam Ranh. According to the simplified procedure, Russian ships would only have to give prior notice to the Vietnamese authorities before entering Cam Ranh Bay, while other foreign navies would be limited to only one ship visit a year to Vietnamese ports. Back in May, Vietnamese Ambassador to Russia Nguyen Thanh Sean told RIA Novosti that Vietnam isn’t against the return of Russia to the military base in Cam Ranh Bay, but this cooperation shouldn’t be directed against third countries. https://www.rt.com/news/361886-russia-bases-cuba-vietnam/ "We are dealing with this issue," the agencies quoted Pankov as saying in Russia's parliament. Russia lowered its flag at the Lourdes signals intelligence base in Cuba and the deepwater Cam Rahn naval base in Vietnam in the early 2000s as part of a drawing down of Russia's military presence around the world after the demise of the Soviet Union. But since then, Moscow's foreign policy has become more assertive, leading to tensions with the United States and its allies over, among other issues, the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria, and the presence of NATO troops in eastern Europe. Pankov said the Defence Ministry was currently "rethinking" past decisions on closure of the bases, but declined to go into detail. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-military-bases-idUSKCN1270PN | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On October 08 2016 01:22 Nyxisto wrote: I have questions for the French people here, there's a few constellations in the elections in 2017, who makes it when Juppe runs against Sarkozy? Has Melenchon a chance to beat Hollande, and what happens when the second round ends up being Sarkozy/Hollande or Melenchon/Juppe? What about Macron? And is it safe to assume that Le Pen is voted out in the second round if she wins the first regardless who she runs against? In polls, Juppé is slightly favored vs Sarkozy as of now (53/47 for the lastest). It will depend on who comes to vote, some left-wingers might specifically come to eliminate Sarkozy at the second round. Mélenchon has good chances to surpass the candidate of the PS, yes. Those scenarios were not tested. Juppé would beat Mélenchon for sure, don't know for Sarkozy vs Hollande. Macron would probably beat most candidates in the second round, but he won't get there. Too many candidates would compete for the center-left to center-right electorate. Le Pen would probably lose to anyone, yes; though there was a poll in which she would beat Hollande 52/48, but should this unlikely scenario really happen I think he would edge her out. (Even if she wins she would not have the parliamentarian majority afterwards.) | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 08 2016 01:47 TheDwf wrote: In polls, Juppé is slightly favored vs Sarkozy as of now (53/47 for the lastest). It will depend on who comes to vote, some left-wingers might specifically come to eliminate Sarkozy at the second round. Mélenchon has good chances to surpass the candidate of the PS, yes. Those scenarios were not tested. Juppé would beat Mélenchon for sure, don't know for Sarkozy vs Hollande. Macron would probably beat most candidates in the second round, but he won't get there. Too many candidates would compete for the center-left to center-right electorate. Le Pen would probably lose to anyone, yes; though there was a poll in which she would beat Hollande 52/48, but should this unlikely scenario really happen I think he would edge her out. (Even if she wins she would not have the parliamentarian majority afterwards.) One thing for sure, I'll not vote for anybody, except maybe Mélenchon. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9170 Posts
On October 09 2016 06:49 WhiteDog wrote: One thing for sure, I'll not vote for anybody, except maybe Mélenchon. Why? Whichever the 2nd round candidates will be, surely you can find some difference between them. I can't think of any election where I've disliked the candidates equally | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 09 2016 20:38 corumjhaelen wrote: And Jospin not getting to the second turn in 2002 yadayadayada... French don't care that much, rightfully so. Was that an answer to my point? How is it not scary to have Le Pen as president? Parlamentary powers shift over the course of time. While she might not have a majority at the start, it can happen over time, right? I'd imagine that to be as if Germany would have a chancellor made of a fusion between Seehofer and Petry. ugh. | ||
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