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On January 11 2016 22:49 xM(Z wrote:
don't worry, i won't report you for name calling, i'm above that.
thing is, this is not a matter of what you said but a matter of what you didn't said. get it?.
your silence is shameful in itself.
So you admit to being utterly incapable of finding any post in which I defended the position that you falsely attributed to me (I obviously and unambiguously condemn the acts we're talking about, but nice try). Yes, I get it, you like imagining things and pretending you have a clue of what you're talking about.
On January 11 2016 22:49 xM(Z wrote:
(lol, at your edit in the first post; the amount of ideas, notions, concepts that bounce in my head are inconceivable to you. i could write books you'd read in awe but for me it would be as if it was nothing; just another grey matter flicker. 5 min of those could entertain your whole lifetime and i wouldn't even break a sweat).
This is too funny. The delusion is strong with this one.
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This sounds like the teamliquid version of the Navy seal meme
And regarding the AfD, they'll get lucky if they get 10%, especially because the leadership of the party is starting to disintegrate.
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Germany's educated populous is a bulwark to right wing movements.
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On January 12 2016 01:21 Deathstar wrote:
Germany's educated populous is a bulwark to right wing movements.
I wonder what people international observers used to say in the 1930s?
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On January 12 2016 01:21 Deathstar wrote:
Germany's educated populous is a bulwark to right wing movements.
I wish that would be true. Sadly it is not a 100% fail safe mechanism. Take Höcke for example. This guy is like a wannbe Hitler if you listen to the stuff he says publicly (next 1000 years Reich etc.). He is such a nazi that even the leadership of pegida (Petry) has to reign him in. And Höcke is a teacher, even worse a history teacher!! He should know how bad the bullshit is he is gloryfying. I´m seriously worried that he acted like that too, as he was still working as a teacher and poisened the minds of young, susceptible youths.
So no, education is good, but it is sadly not perfect 
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There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously.
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https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6342236
"According to Peter Ågren, who was heading the police operation this summer, one explanation as to why they did not talk more openly about this may be because the young men who were accused of harassing the girls, were mainly said to have foreign backgrounds. "Some times we do not really say how things are because we believe it may play into the hands of the Sweden Democrats," Ågren told Dagens Nyheter, referring to the anti-immigration party in Parliament."
For all those who said there was no organised cover up by government agencies in here yesterday. 
It's not only happening in Germany. I started out with a quite liberal view to the whole refugee problem, but now I can't help myself but hope they'll throw the whole lot out again and start a coordinated program for letting refugees migrate.
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On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously.
Are you talking about the NYE events specifically? There have been no arrests (yet) so that number doesn't exist. As of today there have been over 500 reports and 19 suspects.
I highly doubt there was any organization, certainly not inter-city organization. Also Cologne is the only place where there is talk of possibly hundreds of men gathering in front of the train station so it wasn't thousands.
Edit: Summary of figures from today: 516 Reports, 237 for sexual assault, of those 107 combined with robbery. 19 suspects, of those 10 asylumn seekers, 7 illegal residents, 2 minors
Source Cologne Police via http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2016-01/uebergriffe-koeln-silvesternacht-ralf-jaeger-nrw-innenminister (In German).
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On January 12 2016 02:37 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously. Are you talking about the NYE events specifically? There have been no arrests (yet) so that number doesn't exist. As of today there have been over 500 reports and 21 suspects. I highly doubt there was any organization, certainly not inter-city organization. Also Cologne is the only place where there is talk of possibly hundreds of men gathering in front of the train station so it wasn't thousands.
I donno, to many people in cities across the country for it to be entirely random coincidence.
There had to be some communication going on.
Also if it was really random you would expect it to happen in incidents over a longer period of time and not all on 1 evening.
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On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously.
couldn't find anything like that in the 5 minutes of googling I just did but yeah I'd assume so.
What I found was 500+ charges/complaints in cologne alone ( www.spiegel.de, german, 1 day old news. Have not actually read it beyond the title, sorry  )
And 31 suspects as well as 2 arrests ( www.n-tv.de, again german, 3 days old news. Have not actually read it beyond the title) so far.
With the 2nd one being 3 days old no idea if there's more up to date info and obviously amount of charges/complaints is not equivalent to the number of perpetrators but I couldn't find any hard numbers on that.
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A kid, 16 years old, attacked a jewish teacher (who had his kippah on his head) in the street of Marseille, saying he was acting in the name of ISIS. Don't worry, just stay a little bit far from kids and don't put your kippah on the street.
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On January 12 2016 02:50 WhiteDog wrote:
A kid, 16 years old, attacked a jewish teacher (who had his kippah on his head) in the street of Marseille, saying he was acting in the name of ISIS. Don't worry, just stay a little bit far from kids and don't put your kippah on the street.
What's your point?
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On January 12 2016 02:53 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 02:50 WhiteDog wrote:
A kid, 16 years old, attacked a jewish teacher (who had his kippah on his head) in the street of Marseille, saying he was acting in the name of ISIS. Don't worry, just stay a little bit far from kids and don't put your kippah on the street. What's your point?
Maybe he should have stayed at arms length from the kid?
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On January 12 2016 02:44 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously. couldn't find anything like that in the 5 minutes of googling I just did but yeah I'd assume so. What I found was 500+ charges/complaints in cologne alone ( www.spiegel.de, german, 1 day old news. Have not actually read it beyond the title, sorry ) And 31 suspects as well as 2 arrests ( www.n-tv.de, again german, 3 days old news. Have not actually read it beyond the title) so far. With the 2nd one being 3 days old no idea if there's more up to date info and obviously amount of charges/complaints is not equivalent to the number of perpetrators but I couldn't find any hard numbers on that.
Sounds about right given what we have known about so called "flash mobs" in the US where a bunch of kids from poor neighborhoods would show up at a luxury store and cause a commotion and rob it. The general confusion caused along with the group solidarity leading to low intra-group reporting makes it seem very similar. Which is why I asked about social media.
Also, not to be confused with the fun flash mobs where people all dressed the same break out into dancing to MMBop in Millennium Park.
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On January 12 2016 02:43 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 02:37 zatic wrote:On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously. Are you talking about the NYE events specifically? There have been no arrests (yet) so that number doesn't exist. As of today there have been over 500 reports and 21 suspects. I highly doubt there was any organization, certainly not inter-city organization. Also Cologne is the only place where there is talk of possibly hundreds of men gathering in front of the train station so it wasn't thousands. I donno, to many people in cities across the country for it to be entirely random coincidence. There had to be some communication going on. Also if it was really random you would expect it to happen in incidents over a longer period of time and not all on 1 evening.
It's not random coincidence, but I doubt it's coordinated either. It's simply 1.1 million refugees, most of who view women as toys and western women as sluts, who suddenly got all reunited for a nye event at the same places (not all 1.1M obv). What they did was what they also do in their countries when a lot of people is reunited at the same place. They even have a word for that, I mean here in europe we don't have a word for "mass sexual assaults in public manifestations", because it doesn't happen. There, they have a word for it, because there is a reality behind the word and usually words are created because they describe something.
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On January 12 2016 02:43 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 02:37 zatic wrote:On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously. Are you talking about the NYE events specifically? There have been no arrests (yet) so that number doesn't exist. As of today there have been over 500 reports and 21 suspects. I highly doubt there was any organization, certainly not inter-city organization. Also Cologne is the only place where there is talk of possibly hundreds of men gathering in front of the train station so it wasn't thousands. I donno, to many people in cities across the country for it to be entirely random coincidence. There had to be some communication going on. Also if it was really random you would expect it to happen in incidents over a longer period of time and not all on 1 evening.
this behaviour is normal in the arabien world. women get molested every day and everywhere there.
what happend most likely is that the mixture of a new years eve euphorism and massive amount of alcohol which they cant handle well made them forget that they are in a civilized country now.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 12 2016 02:56 dismiss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 02:53 Deathstar wrote:On January 12 2016 02:50 WhiteDog wrote:
A kid, 16 years old, attacked a jewish teacher (who had his kippah on his head) in the street of Marseille, saying he was acting in the name of ISIS. Don't worry, just stay a little bit far from kids and don't put your kippah on the street. What's your point? Maybe he should have stayed at arms length from the kid?
I had no point, my comment was informative, and the joke about the kippah was a reaction to a question I just heard a journalist ask to a representative of the jews that made me think about what happened in Cologne.
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On January 12 2016 03:03 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 02:43 Gorsameth wrote:On January 12 2016 02:37 zatic wrote:On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously. Are you talking about the NYE events specifically? There have been no arrests (yet) so that number doesn't exist. As of today there have been over 500 reports and 21 suspects. I highly doubt there was any organization, certainly not inter-city organization. Also Cologne is the only place where there is talk of possibly hundreds of men gathering in front of the train station so it wasn't thousands. I donno, to many people in cities across the country for it to be entirely random coincidence. There had to be some communication going on. Also if it was really random you would expect it to happen in incidents over a longer period of time and not all on 1 evening. this behaviour is normal in the arabien world. women get molested every day and everywhere there. what happend most likely is that the mixture of a new years eve euphorism and massive amount of alcohol which they cant handle well made them forget that they are in a civilized country now.
No, this is not normal in the Arabian world, and women do not get molested every day nor everywhere "there".
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On January 12 2016 03:09 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 03:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 12 2016 02:43 Gorsameth wrote:On January 12 2016 02:37 zatic wrote:On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously. Are you talking about the NYE events specifically? There have been no arrests (yet) so that number doesn't exist. As of today there have been over 500 reports and 21 suspects. I highly doubt there was any organization, certainly not inter-city organization. Also Cologne is the only place where there is talk of possibly hundreds of men gathering in front of the train station so it wasn't thousands. I donno, to many people in cities across the country for it to be entirely random coincidence. There had to be some communication going on. Also if it was really random you would expect it to happen in incidents over a longer period of time and not all on 1 evening. this behaviour is normal in the arabien world. women get molested every day and everywhere there. what happend most likely is that the mixture of a new years eve euphorism and massive amount of alcohol which they cant handle well made them forget that they are in a civilized country now. No, this is not normal in the Arabian world, and women do not get molested every day nor everywhere "there".
read the commentary in the faz of today. titel "sie hassen uns".
yes it is normal.
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On January 12 2016 03:09 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 03:03 hfglgg wrote:On January 12 2016 02:43 Gorsameth wrote:On January 12 2016 02:37 zatic wrote:On January 12 2016 02:23 cLutZ wrote:
There are no English language statistics that I can find on the % of reported incidents per arrest/charge, are there non-English statistics, because I would assume that % would be quite low.
Also these attacks had to be social media coordinated, but I also cannot find much on that. I mean, I doubt thousands of people all just naturally had the idea of groping women in a bunch of cities in train stations spontaneously. Are you talking about the NYE events specifically? There have been no arrests (yet) so that number doesn't exist. As of today there have been over 500 reports and 21 suspects. I highly doubt there was any organization, certainly not inter-city organization. Also Cologne is the only place where there is talk of possibly hundreds of men gathering in front of the train station so it wasn't thousands. I donno, to many people in cities across the country for it to be entirely random coincidence. There had to be some communication going on. Also if it was really random you would expect it to happen in incidents over a longer period of time and not all on 1 evening. this behaviour is normal in the arabien world. women get molested every day and everywhere there. what happend most likely is that the mixture of a new years eve euphorism and massive amount of alcohol which they cant handle well made them forget that they are in a civilized country now. No, this is not normal in the Arabian world, and women do not get molested every day nor everywhere "there".
Normal or not, the fact that this kind of thing happens at all is pretty frightening:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lara-logan-breaks-silence-on-cairo-assault/
Damn, too slow
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