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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On September 24 2015 19:50 Silvanel wrote: Lol. Less German cars being sold in US = more American cars sold. Simple as that. VW never really sold alot of cars in the US, it was their weakest market by far. Cheating the NOx regulations is not just some small dump and calling it "US help for US Cars" is just not enough. VW cheated due to no be able to fin a solution for the Diesel NOx problems in the USA (solution in europe: "better" rules made under influence of car makers). Germany is not really hurt by all of that: You cant buy VW because it is the property of just 2 Families "Porsche and Piech" and the state of Niedersachsen and it is likely that they wount lose a large amount of jobs due to that in Germany: US was always the weakest market of VW and they could just close their factory in the USA (they only have one there). Also the Immigrants and Greek arent really hard numbers: We are talking about 10-20 Billion € for each per year, depending of future development (and accepting that the greek money is lost). As the german federal state does not need any kind of fresh loans to finance itself, it can easily take up loans up to 20-40 billion € and work with that. Actually there has never been a time, where loan taking was so cheap for Germany then today. Also the cheap oil boosts the income of families in Germany, which helps alot at the moment for local companies. And for the refugees problems, it is most likely, that the politicians will change our constitution (they got the majority for it) like they did 1994 after the last refugee problems. Together with a much stronger combined boarder control at EU boarders, the problem will become smaller and smaller. In the End the government wants to be reelected 2017 just like 1994. German politics is always opportunistic in the end. And in the current form what the german government wants to happen in the EU, happens most likely in the EU. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34345210 And Europe is a big market for them. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On September 24 2015 22:45 arbiter_md wrote: They faked the tests in Europe too. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34345210 And Europe is a big market for them. Of course, 11 million cars were delivered with rigged engines all over the world. VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda. Porsche is the only major brand that is not affected, which is why the boss of Porsche is the most likely candidate to become Winterkorn's successor. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On September 24 2015 02:14 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: So basically Germany is in a rough position right now and have reasons not to happy super happy with the US at the moment.. 'Not to be super happy with the US' is such an understatement, it's almost ridiculous. If the EU, especially the German government, had any spine or regard for their own peoples, they would sever ties with the US immediately. Our so called allies aren't just spying on us, they're actively attacking our economy, trying to make us complicit in their war crimes in the middle east, aren't given us any measurable assistance in cleaning up the pieces of the refugee crisis they were largely responsible for, they're undermining our pursuit of greener energy via TTIP, they're souring our relationship with Russia to the point where we might become a target of Russian aggression at some point... Here's hoping that the next decade is devoted to repairing relations with Russia and slowly weaning ourselves from the destructive influence of our so called allies. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14176 Posts
On September 25 2015 00:41 DickMcFanny wrote: 'Not to be super happy with the US' is such an understatement, it's almost ridiculous. If the EU, especially the German government, had any spine or regard for their own peoples, they would sever ties with the US immediately. Our so called allies aren't just spying on us, they're actively attacking our economy, trying to make us complicit in their war crimes in the middle east, aren't given us any measurable assistance in cleaning up the pieces of the refugee crisis they were largely responsible for, they're undermining our pursuit of greener energy via TTIP, they're souring our relationship with Russia to the point where we might become a target of Russian aggression at some point... Here's hoping that the next decade is devoted to repairing relations with Russia and slowly weaning ourselves from the destructive influence of our so called allies. You don't sever ties with the world's singular superpower and the nation that controls the world's sea lane. You also couldn't even buy oil or fuel on the world market or control your own currency beacuse the us dollar is the currency of the realm for both. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2015 01:39 Sermokala wrote: You don't sever ties with the world's singular superpower and the nation that controls the world's sea lane. You also couldn't even buy oil or fuel on the world market or control your own currency beacuse the us dollar is the currency of the realm for both. Also nations last for hundreds of years and severing ties doesn't mean they go away. The US still deals with China, even though they actively spy and attempt to hack US companies. Also everyone spies on everyone. Its only a problem when we get caught. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On September 24 2015 22:45 arbiter_md wrote: They faked the tests in Europe too. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34345210 And Europe is a big market for them. To be honest, I don't think consumers care much about diesel polution at all. If they did, they would have stopped buying diesel cars altogether a long while ago. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14176 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
edit: but yea all the anti-american spin on this is hilarious. you can't get more open and shut in terms of corporate fraud than this, they confessed to deliberate cheating. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
I would like nothing more than to see every American base in Europe, Asia, Africa shuttered and everything sold or sent back home. The world is not our responsibility and it just makes everyone hates even in Europe. But of course something happens i.e. Libya we can the international equivalent of a drunk Dial from Europe asking why we aren't doing anything. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 25 2015 03:44 oneofthem wrote: edit: but yea all the anti-american spin on this is hilarious. you can't get more open and shut in terms of corporate fraud than this, they confessed to deliberate cheating. Technically true, but fraud is often forgiven in exchange for political favors. And governments generally have a vested interest in their large corporations. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2015 04:22 oneofthem wrote: i mean all the people claiming that potential harsh punshment against VW by the EPA is an american plot against europe or some such I would think we would go after one of the banks, rather than a single player in the EU auto industry. Or like literally any other part of the EU infrastructure. If that was our plan, I mean. We are totally not out to destroy you all. Please ignore the strange "US GOV" charges you find on your bank statements. | ||
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
they made billions with fraud, with cheating the laws our society chose to have. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On September 25 2015 03:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So now that VW got caught it is somehow an American plot? Seriously... I would like nothing more than to see every American base in Europe, Asia, Africa shuttered and everything sold or sent back home. The world is not our responsibility and it just makes everyone hates even in Europe. But of course something happens i.e. Libya we can the international equivalent of a drunk Dial from Europe asking why we aren't doing anything. If USA does nothing and says "not our buisness", the world will shout out "USA so bad nation, not helping XYZ with their terrorists/rebels/regime/whatever, USA is pure satan". If the USA intervense and helps whatever against terrorists/rebels/regime/whatever, the world shouts out "USA is so bad nation, bringing war everywhere, USA is imperialistic shithole of warmongering shitholes" Whatever USA does, hate gonna be spread. When you are big, people will hate you just for being big. Germany should know that, whatever you do, give money, give not money, people will call Germany bad for whatever reasons in EU. But still ALOT of germans say "USA so bad, lets hate them for everything!". I dont mean USA or Germany dont do mistakes or bad things, but these permanent callouts for everything they ever do just because people want to hate... really stupid. For VW, how can that be a complot by the USA? VW is very weak on the USA market and always was weak there. Its not like they have been that great of a challange. BMW for example would be a much better target for such a complot if you would like to help your car industry. And it is not like the US carindustry is in such a bad state. The sales in the USA are good, innovative Google and Tesla are leading innovations in the two branches of automated driving and electric driving, while germany is miles behind. There is no need for a complot, there is just the stupidity of German car companys wanting to sell Diesel in a nation, that does not like Diesel. They have the most innovative Diesel cars in the world (and yes, even without cheating they are cleaner then the ones of their competitors, but never as clean in concern of NOx then gas (Benzin) cars can be. They wanted to use that technic in the USA and could not understand, that Diesel does not work there. And then they started cheating, because it is impossible to make a Dieselcar, that emits as low NOx then a gas (Benzin) car, has the same power, low fuel usage, is as cheap and does not need to get refilled with some extra (Adblue) every now and then by the driver. And now their pants are on the flor. The only thing people in Germany and other nations will not understand and say wtf is when it comes to GMs seriously low 900M $ penalty after their starter locks killed over 100 people and they denied it so long. But yeah, lobbying is everywhere, I guess and VW did not invest enough into it.. The funny thing is, Europeens say "hur dur TTIP will make these kind of fines every day for europeen companys". The opposite is the truth, TTIP could lead to weaker standards or NOx emissions in the USA... who knows. But the critics of TTIP say to every news, where the name "USA" is mentioned somewhere "and with TTIP we will suffer from this because (enter absurd arguments here) and thats why USA is satan" But americans dont bother, not all hate you. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Now, i'm really interested in the explanations of our knights in shining armor here.. Moral obligation, was it? edit tried to find an english source, couldn't find any http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politik/d/7354986/bettina-halbey-muss-fuer-fluechtlinge-ihre-wohnung-raeumen.html http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politik/d/7351680/wie-weit-darf-der-staat-gehen-.html German only, sorry. | ||
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