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On September 15 2015 02:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:43 Sent. wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. It's still closer if you go around Iraq, isn't it? You sort of need to go through Iran or Saudi Arabia to do that. That wouldn't be my first plan. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. I believe it is simply because their neighbouring states won't take them in while relegating everything to Europe. They know we will be 'good souls' and help everyone. I am disgusted by countries like Saudi Arabia... Lebanon has refugees too. Its been 4 years. Everyone is feeling the pressure of refugees. And those fleeing Syria are taking the path of fewest dictatorships.
I know, just wanted to point out that they're choosing Europe not because safe muslim countries are further away.
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On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer.
You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million.
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On September 15 2015 02:54 Djzapz wrote:
I heard a few undergrads discuss this at my uni and they googled the population of Germany, found out there are 80m people in Germany and looked at the figure, 800K immigrants, as Rassy said above, is 1% of the German population. When one guy said it's a bad idea and their conversation instantly took a turn toward the topic of racism, which I find weird.
How could someone as smart as Angela Merkel not realize that taking in 800K new people is a colossal task, especially when the EU's economy is shaky... I mean, Germany can certainly use some workers, but those people have to live somewhere and the infrastructure of the country can't host 800K new people. No country has that many living spaces on standby except maybe China because of its ghost towns, but even then China couldn't just open its doors to the equivalent of 1% of its population.
It has nothing to do with racism, but it's insane to put blinders on and assume that everything will fall into place. Refugees are expensive. Anyway Germany clearly is the European country that can take in the most, and perhaps benefit the most in the long run...
I really like this part and I think it summarizes the whole issue perfectly. On my social feeds, I continously see posts like 'monsters, you let that kid die', '5 answers for racists questioning refugees' etc. It is not the fucking point. I want to know WHAT IS THE LONG TERM PLAN.
How can a sane person believe that if we keep taking into Europe every person that flees from a situation of war in the world, things will go for the better? Europe is not the world's hospital - but some people do not seem bothered by the fact that, by the end of the year, one million people could hit a terribly shaky economy as the european one...
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On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million.
That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too.
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Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are just keeping them in camps with no plan to integrate them. Merkel wants integration for the whole lot of them.
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On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too.
I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England.
Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further...
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On September 15 2015 03:14 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too. I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England. Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further...
Completely fallacious analogy. The Syrian refugees are going to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc., and in much greater numbers than to Europe. The point is that so many of them are going there that the conditions are terrible and that the countries can barely (or not even) accomodate them.
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On September 15 2015 03:29 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:14 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too. I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England. Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further... Completely fallacious analogy. The Syrian refugees are going to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc., and in much greater numbers than to Europe. The point is that so many of them are going there that the conditions are terrible and that the countries can barely (or not even) accomodate them.
Supposing Europe can?
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On September 15 2015 03:32 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:29 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 03:14 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too. I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England. Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further... Completely fallacious analogy. The Syrian refugees are going to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc., and in much greater numbers than to Europe. The point is that so many of them are going there that the conditions are terrible and that the countries can barely (or not even) accomodate them. Supposing Europe can?
Its either that or starve/die of exposure. The refugees from Syria don't have a lot of options left to them.
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On September 15 2015 03:32 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:29 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 03:14 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:19 SoSexy wrote:
I have no data, how many refugees are the 'brotherly' islamic country taking in? I am talking about Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait etc. I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too. I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England. Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further... Completely fallacious analogy. The Syrian refugees are going to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc., and in much greater numbers than to Europe. The point is that so many of them are going there that the conditions are terrible and that the countries can barely (or not even) accomodate them. Supposing Europe can?
Yes, it can. Regardless, that's a different debate than what you were initially asking.
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On September 15 2015 03:48 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:32 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:29 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 03:14 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:28 Plansix wrote:
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I am very interested how you expect refugees from Syria to get to Kuwait. Jordan was reported to have like 600-700K refugees and they are a very tiny country with a population of like 6 million total. Saudi Arabia isn't likely to take in anyone because its Saudi Arabia. Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too. I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England. Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further... Completely fallacious analogy. The Syrian refugees are going to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc., and in much greater numbers than to Europe. The point is that so many of them are going there that the conditions are terrible and that the countries can barely (or not even) accomodate them. Supposing Europe can? Yes, it can. Regardless, that's a different debate than what you were initially asking.
It cannot. My point still stand - the arabic superpowers are doing nothing to help their 'brothers', which should also be a way major moral responsability for them, rather than for us. This would make me go on a rant about piety in Islam but I would go offtopic. Also, don't say 'Saudi Arabia is helping them with money'. I am sure you would be very disappointed if the European Union would close the borders and just send them money, isn't it?
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On September 15 2015 03:53 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:48 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 03:32 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:29 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 03:14 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:
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Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too. I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England. Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further... Completely fallacious analogy. The Syrian refugees are going to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc., and in much greater numbers than to Europe. The point is that so many of them are going there that the conditions are terrible and that the countries can barely (or not even) accomodate them. Supposing Europe can? Yes, it can. Regardless, that's a different debate than what you were initially asking. It cannot. My point still stand - the arabic superpowers are doing nothing to help their 'brothers', which should also be a way major moral responsability for them, rather than for us. This would make me go on a rant about piety in Islam but I would go offtopic. Also, don't say 'Saudi Arabia is helping them with money'. I am sure you would be very disappointed if the European Union would close the borders and just send them money, isn't it?
Yes, shockingly oppressive regimes are not super charitable or humanitarian and any aid they give is most lip service. Also not helping that much: Iran. Iraq too, but they are at war with ISIS and have a fair number of refugees prior to that. In other news, water is wet and shitty countries continue to remain shitty.
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Dude, Saudi Arabia is helping a lot ! They want to finance over 200 mosquees in Germany. Who will spread radical islamism if they weren't there to help?
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Saudi Arabia has and will be shit for the foreseeable future. I don't know why people are expecting otherwise. This is a country that doesn't let women drive and has religious police that roam around looking for "infractions". Expecting them to help win the crisis is waiting for a ship that will never come.
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On September 15 2015 03:53 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 03:48 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 03:32 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:29 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 03:14 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 03:05 kwizach wrote:On September 15 2015 02:47 SoSexy wrote:On September 15 2015 02:41 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 02:33 SoSexy wrote:
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Closer culture, closer politics, closer religion...last time I checked kuwait was also closer than Germany or Sweden but hey, I dunno There is this whole warzone to go through and Iraq to cross. I don't know a whole bunch about Iraq, but i know its hot and you can't just walk across it. And there is that war thing. They are trying to avoid the violence, not walk through the worst of it. I'm not convinced. Lebanon, for example, is way closer. You realize that there are currently about 1.2 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, right (about 1/5th of the country's population)? Jordan has about 650k, and Turkey 1.9 million. That level of knowledge would require a google search and like 10 minutes of reading. The suggestion they go to Kuwait was pretty good too. I find it funny how you guys think that, if France were at war, it would make more sense for french people to go to Azerbaijan rather than England. Edit: I put Azerbaijan instead than Pakistan because I knew someone would point out the distance is further... Completely fallacious analogy. The Syrian refugees are going to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc., and in much greater numbers than to Europe. The point is that so many of them are going there that the conditions are terrible and that the countries can barely (or not even) accomodate them. Supposing Europe can? Yes, it can. Regardless, that's a different debate than what you were initially asking. It cannot. My point still stand - the arabic superpowers are doing nothing to help their 'brothers', which should also be a way major moral responsability for them, rather than for us. This would make me go on a rant about piety in Islam but I would go offtopic. Also, don't say 'Saudi Arabia is helping them with money'. I am sure you would be very disappointed if the European Union would close the borders and just send them money, isn't it?
It can. I was responding to what you said about Lebanon, Jordan and other neighbourhing countries. Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey are taking in way more refugees than EU countries (relative to their populations and even in absolute terms), and the countries around the conflict zone are in total taking in way more refugees than the entire EU combined. So when you were asking why refugees weren't going to Lebanon, well, they are. If your point is now solely about Saudi Arabia, then yes, I agree that they should take in more refugees (so should Israel and some others in the region). But the fact that they aren't doesn't mean the EU shouldn't either.
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On September 15 2015 04:14 Plansix wrote:
Saudi Arabia has and will be shit for the foreseeable future. I don't know why people are expecting otherwise. This is a country that doesn't let women drive and has religious police that roam around looking for "infractions". Expecting them to help win the crisis is waiting for a ship that will never come.
This all circles back around to the fact that "refugee" needs to be better defined. As you just pointed out, nearly every woman in the Middle East/North Africa may be eligible for refugee status. Which also illustrates a problem with calling the current situation a refugee crisis, as we should be seeing majority female refugees.
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On September 15 2015 05:01 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 04:14 Plansix wrote:
Saudi Arabia has and will be shit for the foreseeable future. I don't know why people are expecting otherwise. This is a country that doesn't let women drive and has religious police that roam around looking for "infractions". Expecting them to help win the crisis is waiting for a ship that will never come. This all circles back around to the fact that "refugee" needs to be better defined. As you just pointed out, nearly every woman in the Middle East/North Africa may be eligible for refugee status. Which also illustrates a problem with calling the current situation a refugee crisis, as we should be seeing majority female refugees.
Any woman that can get out of Saudi Arabia and to the EU/US should quality. Don't worry, we don't see a massive influx any time soon. Your second point is nonsensical. Syria isn't Saudi Arabia.
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On September 15 2015 05:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:01 cLutZ wrote:On September 15 2015 04:14 Plansix wrote:
Saudi Arabia has and will be shit for the foreseeable future. I don't know why people are expecting otherwise. This is a country that doesn't let women drive and has religious police that roam around looking for "infractions". Expecting them to help win the crisis is waiting for a ship that will never come. This all circles back around to the fact that "refugee" needs to be better defined. As you just pointed out, nearly every woman in the Middle East/North Africa may be eligible for refugee status. Which also illustrates a problem with calling the current situation a refugee crisis, as we should be seeing majority female refugees. Any woman that can get out of Saudi Arabia and to the EU/US should quality. Don't worry, we don't see a massive influx any time soon. Your second point is nonsensical. Syria isn't Saudi Arabia.
Yes, but we also aren't seeing disproportionately high (compared to Syria as a whole) Christian refugees, or Jewish. None of the demographics of those reaching Europe indicates refugee status, other than being from a crappy country.
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On September 15 2015 05:24 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:08 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 05:01 cLutZ wrote:On September 15 2015 04:14 Plansix wrote:
Saudi Arabia has and will be shit for the foreseeable future. I don't know why people are expecting otherwise. This is a country that doesn't let women drive and has religious police that roam around looking for "infractions". Expecting them to help win the crisis is waiting for a ship that will never come. This all circles back around to the fact that "refugee" needs to be better defined. As you just pointed out, nearly every woman in the Middle East/North Africa may be eligible for refugee status. Which also illustrates a problem with calling the current situation a refugee crisis, as we should be seeing majority female refugees. Any woman that can get out of Saudi Arabia and to the EU/US should quality. Don't worry, we don't see a massive influx any time soon. Your second point is nonsensical. Syria isn't Saudi Arabia. Yes, but we also aren't seeing disproportionately high (compared to Syria as a whole) Christian refugees, or Jewish. None of the demographics of those reaching Europe indicates refugee status, other than being from a crappy country.
Did you just shift the discussion to talking about people coming to the EU who are not from Syria? Because that was the topic until now.
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On September 15 2015 05:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:24 cLutZ wrote:On September 15 2015 05:08 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2015 05:01 cLutZ wrote:On September 15 2015 04:14 Plansix wrote:
Saudi Arabia has and will be shit for the foreseeable future. I don't know why people are expecting otherwise. This is a country that doesn't let women drive and has religious police that roam around looking for "infractions". Expecting them to help win the crisis is waiting for a ship that will never come. This all circles back around to the fact that "refugee" needs to be better defined. As you just pointed out, nearly every woman in the Middle East/North Africa may be eligible for refugee status. Which also illustrates a problem with calling the current situation a refugee crisis, as we should be seeing majority female refugees. Any woman that can get out of Saudi Arabia and to the EU/US should quality. Don't worry, we don't see a massive influx any time soon. Your second point is nonsensical. Syria isn't Saudi Arabia. Yes, but we also aren't seeing disproportionately high (compared to Syria as a whole) Christian refugees, or Jewish. None of the demographics of those reaching Europe indicates refugee status, other than being from a crappy country. Did you just shift the discussion to talking about people coming to the EU who are not from Syria? Because that was the topic until now.
No. I'm talking about Syrians. If this were a refugee crisis, the demographics of the refugees would include disproportionately high levels of non-Muslims.
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