• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:23
CEST 09:23
KST 16:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20254Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202576RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced20BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time I offer completely free coaching services Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 What tournaments are world championships?
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Dewalt's Show Matches in China
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 620 users

European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 1411

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1409 1410 1411 1412 1413 Next
Although this thread does not function under the same strict guidelines as the USPMT, it is still a general practice on TL to provide a source with an explanation on why it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Failure to do so will result in a mod action.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
May 19 2025 09:02 GMT
#28201
Is Mentzen's vote likely to split 50/50 this time around? My impression is they're leaning more PiS this time around - but I don't know if I'm basing that on anything, really.
Moderator
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4726 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-19 09:18:13
May 19 2025 09:16 GMT
#28202
You never know... given that large portion of Confederation voteres are usually young people, they might also opt to stay home if their preffered candidate is not an option, especially so because over the years both KO and PiS drifted to the left on economy. And economic liberties and low taxation promises are main driving factors of Confedaration voters.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
May 19 2025 09:36 GMT
#28203
Yeah I also heard that between 18-29, 50% voted for Mentzen or Zandberg.

Didn't know KO had drifted to the left on economy, but if that's the driving factor it does make sense that Confederation voters could go for them over PiS.
Moderator
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8511 Posts
May 19 2025 10:19 GMT
#28204
On May 18 2025 23:26 Dan HH wrote:
Durov just sent a message to every Romanian Telegram user (today is the presidential run-off election by the way) with the following text:

"A Western European government (guess which one *baguette emoji*) contacted Telegram, asking us to silence conservative voices in Romania before today's presidential elections. We categorically refused. Telegram will not restrict the freedom of its Romanian users and it will not block their political channels.

You cannot "defend democracy" by destroying democracy. You cannot fight "election interference" by interfering in elections. You either have freedom of speech and fair elections or you don't. And the Romanian people deserves both."

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



Worth noting the exact term used for "Romanian people" in the last sentence, "poporul", has pretty much been the motto of the far-right campaign for the past half a year.


good thing Nicusor won then!

Liberal mayor Dan beats nationalist in tense race for Romanian presidency

The liberal, pro-EU mayor of Bucharest, Nicusor Dan, has fought off a strong challenge from a Romanian right-wing nationalist to win the presidency after months of political turbulence.

George Simion, the leader of the far-right AUR party, won a dramatic first-round victory earlier this month, riding a wave of anger from Romanians who had seen the presidential race annulled late last year because of claims of Russian interference.

But it was the softly spoken Nicusor Dan who swept to victory with 53.6% of the vote, even though Simion was more successful in the diaspora.

"We need to build Romania together irrespective of who you voted for," said Dan, once his victory was secure.

About 11.5 million Romanians voted in Sunday's run-off, and Dan attracted the support of more than six million of them.

The mathematician waited until after midnight on Sunday before he could be absolutely sure that the numbers were on his side and he could join his supporters in a park opposite City Hall in Bucharest.

They went wild, chanting his name and cheering. At one point he was almost mobbed but this was a huge moment for the president-elect and for his supporters after months of political tension.

"A community of Romanians who want a profound change in Romania won," Dan said.

Mihai, one of many Dan supporters who gathered outside his electoral headquarters in the capital, told the BBC he was "really worried about Simion".

"I want to choose the pro-European way. It's the only way. It's really important," he added.



Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia594 Posts
May 19 2025 12:40 GMT
#28205
Romania was looking scary for a while, glad they didn't allow the travesty of these shallow right wing guys using populism and bullshit to take over, still scary that it got this close.

Balkan politics are insane, my country also had regional elections and it's a mixed bag.

For the uninitiated, Croatia has been, with minor interruptions ruled by a center right party that is basically also a semi-sophisticated crime syndicate, lucky for us, they figured 20ish years ago that it's best for them to be pro-EU with everything that entails because that allows them to steal much more money, both from the EU funds and by the whole economy being bigger, more investments more opportunity to steal.

This makes them relatively chill on LGBT rights, great on Ukraine and relatively good on social spending, but most smart people of Croatia would never vote for them because they know how big criminals they are (it's very well documented), while their voters mostly just say "everyone's corrupt and these guys aren't that bad, also they employ half my family so fuck it".

Then we have Zagreb, our capital, where, after 20 years of rule from a populist ex-left guy who's connected with Zagreb but also state mafia we have an Oxford educated, very left and quite populist movement and a mayor. In their first mandate they knocked it out of the park, fixed the deficit, started and (in some cases) finished projects that were waiting for 20 years, and thankfully they got almost 50 % both for the mayor and in the city council.

All that despite the criminals in charge and criminals who ruled Zagreb from the shadows trying to fuck with them every step of the way.

This kind of gives me hope that in the next 4 years this example that is extremely visible shows the people that not everyone is corrupt and we can keep the 20 % of our GDP that gets stolen by the state mafia every year, put all the amazing resources our country has to good use and have a great country.

Given that I've seen in this thread that it seems to be a pattern, I hope more of these liberal/populist mayors get in power and get to work all across the Europe and with their actual policies and work show that we can have good societies without giving the reigns to Simon's and AFD's of the world.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
May 19 2025 14:01 GMT
#28206
On May 19 2025 21:40 Jankisa wrote:
Romania was looking scary for a while, glad they didn't allow the travesty of these shallow right wing guys using populism and bullshit to take over, still scary that it got this close.

The far-right candidate, Simion, may have won if he had simply shut up during the past two weeks. It was the most catastrophic run-off campaign I witnessed, if Nicusor Dan was running his opponent's campaign to intentionally try to sabotage him I'm not sure he could have done a better job. At one point I was honestly questioning if he even wants to win.

A lot happened in these past two weeks but I want to tell you guys about just one key moment that triggered this crashout and avalanche of gaffes.

Some context, last summer Simion ran a campaign for "35 000 euro houses". His party, AUR, had a big media push and spared no expense to promote that if he becomes president people that give their personal information and sign some papers will be able to buy houses for 35k with a 1k deposit and no interest (which is not even remotely feasible). There were lines of hundreds of people at every AUR office to sign "pre-contracts" for these houses.

Back to around 2 weeks ago there was an interview with Simion and the journalist asked him about it, and the key part is that he asked the question in an entirely non-confrontational way, appealing to Simion's narcissism with an understanding tone. Simion felt comfortable and didn't go into defense mode as usual, so instead of lying about it he took it as an opportunity to brag to the journalist about how clever he is. He said it was just a marketing campaign and that he couldn't have taken the party to 40% (his score in the 1st round) without his brilliant marketing initiatives.

A couple of days later was the first presidential debate, the only one that Simion ended up going to, leaving an empty chair in his place for every other scheduled programme with the two of them. Dan got a zinger on the houses subject which became the most viral clip of the debate. To fully appreciate it I need to give you guys another bit of context.

Dan, then mayor of Bucharest, had some unruly hair during the pandemic which became a meme.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He embraced the meme and ended up making some short videos about going to get a haircut.

In the debate when Dan pressed Simion about his interview response regarding the houses scheme, Simion said "it was a marketing campagin, just like when you go to get a haircut you make a marketing campaign out of it" to which Dan replied "when I go to get a haircut there aren't thousands of people waiting in line for false hope". He never recovered from that.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-19 14:06:11
May 19 2025 14:05 GMT
#28207
Yeah when your selling unicorns you don't tell people you don't actually have the unicorn until after they elect you.

Basic conman 101 mistake.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
May 19 2025 14:08 GMT
#28208
On May 19 2025 23:01 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2025 21:40 Jankisa wrote:
Romania was looking scary for a while, glad they didn't allow the travesty of these shallow right wing guys using populism and bullshit to take over, still scary that it got this close.

The far-right candidate, Simion, may have won if he had simply shut up during the past two weeks. It was the most catastrophic run-off campaign I witnessed, if Nicusor Dan was running his opponent's campaign to intentionally try to sabotage him I'm not sure he could have done a better job. At one point I was honestly questioning if he even wants to win.

A lot happened in these past two weeks but I want to tell you guys about just one key moment that triggered this crashout and avalanche of gaffes.

Some context, last summer Simion ran a campaign for "35 000 euro houses". His party, AUR, had a big media push and spared no expense to promote that if he becomes president people that give their personal information and sign some papers will be able to buy houses for 35k with a 1k deposit and no interest (which is not even remotely feasible). There were lines of hundreds of people at every AUR office to sign "pre-contracts" for these houses.

Back to around 2 weeks ago there was an interview with Simion and the journalist asked him about it, and the key part is that he asked the question in an entirely non-confrontational way, appealing to Simion's narcissism with an understanding tone. Simion felt comfortable and didn't go into defense mode as usual, so instead of lying about it he took it as an opportunity to brag to the journalist about how clever he is. He said it was just a marketing campaign and that he couldn't have taken the party to 40% (his score in the 1st round) without his brilliant marketing initiatives.

A couple of days later was the first presidential debate, the only one that Simion ended up going to, leaving an empty chair in his place for every other scheduled programme with the two of them. Dan got a zinger on the houses subject which became the most viral clip of the debate. To fully appreciate it I need to give you guys another bit of context.

Dan, then mayor of Bucharest, had some unruly hair during the pandemic which became a meme.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He embraced the meme and ended up making some short videos about going to get a haircut.

In the debate when Dan pressed Simion about his interview response regarding the houses scheme, Simion said "it was a marketing campagin, just like when you go to get a haircut you make a marketing campaign out of it" to which Dan replied "when I go to get a haircut there aren't thousands of people waiting in line for false hope". He never recovered from that.


Wow, dude got pwned so hard he lost not just that one game, but the next few too.

But yeah, in my opinion voters should punish people just not answering questions or attending debates way more. That should be an immediate knock-out.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
May 19 2025 14:59 GMT
#28209
On May 19 2025 23:01 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2025 21:40 Jankisa wrote:
Romania was looking scary for a while, glad they didn't allow the travesty of these shallow right wing guys using populism and bullshit to take over, still scary that it got this close.

The far-right candidate, Simion, may have won if he had simply shut up during the past two weeks. It was the most catastrophic run-off campaign I witnessed, if Nicusor Dan was running his opponent's campaign to intentionally try to sabotage him I'm not sure he could have done a better job. At one point I was honestly questioning if he even wants to win.

A lot happened in these past two weeks but I want to tell you guys about just one key moment that triggered this crashout and avalanche of gaffes.

Some context, last summer Simion ran a campaign for "35 000 euro houses". His party, AUR, had a big media push and spared no expense to promote that if he becomes president people that give their personal information and sign some papers will be able to buy houses for 35k with a 1k deposit and no interest (which is not even remotely feasible). There were lines of hundreds of people at every AUR office to sign "pre-contracts" for these houses.

Back to around 2 weeks ago there was an interview with Simion and the journalist asked him about it, and the key part is that he asked the question in an entirely non-confrontational way, appealing to Simion's narcissism with an understanding tone. Simion felt comfortable and didn't go into defense mode as usual, so instead of lying about it he took it as an opportunity to brag to the journalist about how clever he is. He said it was just a marketing campaign and that he couldn't have taken the party to 40% (his score in the 1st round) without his brilliant marketing initiatives.

A couple of days later was the first presidential debate, the only one that Simion ended up going to, leaving an empty chair in his place for every other scheduled programme with the two of them. Dan got a zinger on the houses subject which became the most viral clip of the debate. To fully appreciate it I need to give you guys another bit of context.

Dan, then mayor of Bucharest, had some unruly hair during the pandemic which became a meme.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He embraced the meme and ended up making some short videos about going to get a haircut.

In the debate when Dan pressed Simion about his interview response regarding the houses scheme, Simion said "it was a marketing campagin, just like when you go to get a haircut you make a marketing campaign out of it" to which Dan replied "when I go to get a haircut there aren't thousands of people waiting in line for false hope". He never recovered from that.

Cheers for the context!

From the BBC summary up the page:
But it was the softly spoken Nicusor Dan who swept to victory with 53.6% of the vote, even though Simion was more successful in the diaspora.


A wee additional question, why do you think this is? One would assume (always a dangerous thing) that a diaspora spread over mostly Europe, would see the benefits of European integration and migration and be more, not less behind the pro-EU candidate.

I mean a non-trivial amount of British expatriates voted for Brexit and some were genuinely surprised that it threw their migration status into question. Leopards, faces and all that.

One thing I find, especially in the current era is a lot of ex-pats get bombarded with a lot of negative news, without the lived experience to mitigate some of that, so I wonder if that’s a factor. Or just being less tied into the totality of the news cycle.

Anyway, rambling aside interested to hear your thoughts!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
May 19 2025 16:49 GMT
#28210
On May 19 2025 23:59 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2025 23:01 Dan HH wrote:
On May 19 2025 21:40 Jankisa wrote:
Romania was looking scary for a while, glad they didn't allow the travesty of these shallow right wing guys using populism and bullshit to take over, still scary that it got this close.

The far-right candidate, Simion, may have won if he had simply shut up during the past two weeks. It was the most catastrophic run-off campaign I witnessed, if Nicusor Dan was running his opponent's campaign to intentionally try to sabotage him I'm not sure he could have done a better job. At one point I was honestly questioning if he even wants to win.

A lot happened in these past two weeks but I want to tell you guys about just one key moment that triggered this crashout and avalanche of gaffes.

Some context, last summer Simion ran a campaign for "35 000 euro houses". His party, AUR, had a big media push and spared no expense to promote that if he becomes president people that give their personal information and sign some papers will be able to buy houses for 35k with a 1k deposit and no interest (which is not even remotely feasible). There were lines of hundreds of people at every AUR office to sign "pre-contracts" for these houses.

Back to around 2 weeks ago there was an interview with Simion and the journalist asked him about it, and the key part is that he asked the question in an entirely non-confrontational way, appealing to Simion's narcissism with an understanding tone. Simion felt comfortable and didn't go into defense mode as usual, so instead of lying about it he took it as an opportunity to brag to the journalist about how clever he is. He said it was just a marketing campaign and that he couldn't have taken the party to 40% (his score in the 1st round) without his brilliant marketing initiatives.

A couple of days later was the first presidential debate, the only one that Simion ended up going to, leaving an empty chair in his place for every other scheduled programme with the two of them. Dan got a zinger on the houses subject which became the most viral clip of the debate. To fully appreciate it I need to give you guys another bit of context.

Dan, then mayor of Bucharest, had some unruly hair during the pandemic which became a meme.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He embraced the meme and ended up making some short videos about going to get a haircut.

In the debate when Dan pressed Simion about his interview response regarding the houses scheme, Simion said "it was a marketing campagin, just like when you go to get a haircut you make a marketing campaign out of it" to which Dan replied "when I go to get a haircut there aren't thousands of people waiting in line for false hope". He never recovered from that.

Cheers for the context!

From the BBC summary up the page:
Show nested quote +
But it was the softly spoken Nicusor Dan who swept to victory with 53.6% of the vote, even though Simion was more successful in the diaspora.


A wee additional question, why do you think this is? One would assume (always a dangerous thing) that a diaspora spread over mostly Europe, would see the benefits of European integration and migration and be more, not less behind the pro-EU candidate.

I mean a non-trivial amount of British expatriates voted for Brexit and some were genuinely surprised that it threw their migration status into question. Leopards, faces and all that.

One thing I find, especially in the current era is a lot of ex-pats get bombarded with a lot of negative news, without the lived experience to mitigate some of that, so I wonder if that’s a factor. Or just being less tied into the totality of the news cycle.

Anyway, rambling aside interested to hear your thoughts!

Here's a map of the results abroad:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


The far-right candidate won in all the countries that are popular destinations for temporary manual labor (construction/agriculture) and virtually nowhere else. In Germany, Italy and Spain with >65%. The overall result for votes abroad was 55-45 in favor of Simion.

The people doing this form of work form enclaves and their social circle is basically the "Romanians in [insert European city]" Facebook group. There's no integration, no partaking in local culture, minimal interaction with locals, and minimal learning of the local language.

A Romanian that has been working in construction in Koln for the past 6 months has infinitely less in common with a lifelong Koln resident than I have in common with you despite the distance.

They go back-and-forth a lot, and I can imagine that some frustrations arise from being invisible 2nd class citizens for several months in Germany back to being normal citizens in their home village in Romania then going back next summer to earn money and so on. There are opportunities for them in Romania but not in the places where they live, that's the issue.

The same thing happens in my city, only with people from Pakistan, Sri-Lanka, Vietnam coming to do manual labor. I never see them in mixed groups with locals, only together by themselves. It's difficult to communicate with them since they only speak a tiny bit of English and a tinier bit of Romanian. So of course they're going to bond over their national identity and retreat into that.

It's easy for populists to tap into that by promising them some kind of revenge, an inversion of social status, a return to a glorious past that never existed. You're right to invoke Brexit, they would have absolutely hated getting what they voted for, since beyond the smoke and vague fantasies the concrete plans of the far-right are bankrupt ideas.

But there is also a significant segment of educated Romanians abroad and they were decisive in these elections. Going only by votes from inside the country, Dan would have finished 3rd place in the 1st round and we would have had a Biden-esque political dinosaur in the runoff without them.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5552 Posts
May 19 2025 17:03 GMT
#28211
I hope they put Durov in prison. What a scumbag.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
May 20 2025 00:17 GMT
#28212
On May 20 2025 01:49 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2025 23:59 WombaT wrote:
On May 19 2025 23:01 Dan HH wrote:
On May 19 2025 21:40 Jankisa wrote:
Romania was looking scary for a while, glad they didn't allow the travesty of these shallow right wing guys using populism and bullshit to take over, still scary that it got this close.

The far-right candidate, Simion, may have won if he had simply shut up during the past two weeks. It was the most catastrophic run-off campaign I witnessed, if Nicusor Dan was running his opponent's campaign to intentionally try to sabotage him I'm not sure he could have done a better job. At one point I was honestly questioning if he even wants to win.

A lot happened in these past two weeks but I want to tell you guys about just one key moment that triggered this crashout and avalanche of gaffes.

Some context, last summer Simion ran a campaign for "35 000 euro houses". His party, AUR, had a big media push and spared no expense to promote that if he becomes president people that give their personal information and sign some papers will be able to buy houses for 35k with a 1k deposit and no interest (which is not even remotely feasible). There were lines of hundreds of people at every AUR office to sign "pre-contracts" for these houses.

Back to around 2 weeks ago there was an interview with Simion and the journalist asked him about it, and the key part is that he asked the question in an entirely non-confrontational way, appealing to Simion's narcissism with an understanding tone. Simion felt comfortable and didn't go into defense mode as usual, so instead of lying about it he took it as an opportunity to brag to the journalist about how clever he is. He said it was just a marketing campaign and that he couldn't have taken the party to 40% (his score in the 1st round) without his brilliant marketing initiatives.

A couple of days later was the first presidential debate, the only one that Simion ended up going to, leaving an empty chair in his place for every other scheduled programme with the two of them. Dan got a zinger on the houses subject which became the most viral clip of the debate. To fully appreciate it I need to give you guys another bit of context.

Dan, then mayor of Bucharest, had some unruly hair during the pandemic which became a meme.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He embraced the meme and ended up making some short videos about going to get a haircut.

In the debate when Dan pressed Simion about his interview response regarding the houses scheme, Simion said "it was a marketing campagin, just like when you go to get a haircut you make a marketing campaign out of it" to which Dan replied "when I go to get a haircut there aren't thousands of people waiting in line for false hope". He never recovered from that.

Cheers for the context!

From the BBC summary up the page:
But it was the softly spoken Nicusor Dan who swept to victory with 53.6% of the vote, even though Simion was more successful in the diaspora.


A wee additional question, why do you think this is? One would assume (always a dangerous thing) that a diaspora spread over mostly Europe, would see the benefits of European integration and migration and be more, not less behind the pro-EU candidate.

I mean a non-trivial amount of British expatriates voted for Brexit and some were genuinely surprised that it threw their migration status into question. Leopards, faces and all that.

One thing I find, especially in the current era is a lot of ex-pats get bombarded with a lot of negative news, without the lived experience to mitigate some of that, so I wonder if that’s a factor. Or just being less tied into the totality of the news cycle.

Anyway, rambling aside interested to hear your thoughts!

Here's a map of the results abroad:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


The far-right candidate won in all the countries that are popular destinations for temporary manual labor (construction/agriculture) and virtually nowhere else. In Germany, Italy and Spain with >65%. The overall result for votes abroad was 55-45 in favor of Simion.

The people doing this form of work form enclaves and their social circle is basically the "Romanians in [insert European city]" Facebook group. There's no integration, no partaking in local culture, minimal interaction with locals, and minimal learning of the local language.

A Romanian that has been working in construction in Koln for the past 6 months has infinitely less in common with a lifelong Koln resident than I have in common with you despite the distance.

They go back-and-forth a lot, and I can imagine that some frustrations arise from being invisible 2nd class citizens for several months in Germany back to being normal citizens in their home village in Romania then going back next summer to earn money and so on. There are opportunities for them in Romania but not in the places where they live, that's the issue.

The same thing happens in my city, only with people from Pakistan, Sri-Lanka, Vietnam coming to do manual labor. I never see them in mixed groups with locals, only together by themselves. It's difficult to communicate with them since they only speak a tiny bit of English and a tinier bit of Romanian. So of course they're going to bond over their national identity and retreat into that.

It's easy for populists to tap into that by promising them some kind of revenge, an inversion of social status, a return to a glorious past that never existed. You're right to invoke Brexit, they would have absolutely hated getting what they voted for, since beyond the smoke and vague fantasies the concrete plans of the far-right are bankrupt ideas.

But there is also a significant segment of educated Romanians abroad and they were decisive in these elections. Going only by votes from inside the country, Dan would have finished 3rd place in the 1st round and we would have had a Biden-esque political dinosaur in the runoff without them.

Merci beaucoup!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4726 Posts
May 23 2025 13:43 GMT
#28213
Here we go again: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgr5xrygzk5o
Trump is threatening 50% tarrifs on EU...
Pathetic Greta hater.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
May 23 2025 13:57 GMT
#28214
On May 23 2025 22:43 Silvanel wrote:
Here we go again: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgr5xrygzk5o
Trump is threatening 50% tarrifs on EU...

Oh for fuck’s sake.

It feels we’re in the worst of both worlds with this tariff nonsense. Not doing it at all, ideal. But I think the Trump admin just biting the bullet and doing it is preferable to this. It’ll be a shitshow, blow up in their faces and showcase why it’s such a fucking bad idea.

This yes/no, raise/lower, dangle tariffs, pull them back, it’s just perpetual instability and uncertainty.

As an aside I feel almost bad for Apple at this point playing shift production whack-a-mole. Tariff-move, new tariff, move…
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
May 23 2025 14:10 GMT
#28215
On May 23 2025 22:57 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 22:43 Silvanel wrote:
Here we go again: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgr5xrygzk5o
Trump is threatening 50% tarrifs on EU...

Oh for fuck’s sake.

It feels we’re in the worst of both worlds with this tariff nonsense. Not doing it at all, ideal. But I think the Trump admin just biting the bullet and doing it is preferable to this. It’ll be a shitshow, blow up in their faces and showcase why it’s such a fucking bad idea.

This yes/no, raise/lower, dangle tariffs, pull them back, it’s just perpetual instability and uncertainty.

As an aside I feel almost bad for Apple at this point playing shift production whack-a-mole. Tariff-move, new tariff, move…
Just take lessons from China. Tariff the US into oblivion and wait for the rich and powerful to complain to Trump.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
May 23 2025 14:11 GMT
#28216
This yes/no, raise/lower, dangle tariffs, pull them back, it’s just perpetual instability and uncertainty.


But that is how they can make lots of cash. Decide a thing, tell your friends you are going to announce it, they buy stocks and options and so forth accordingly, then announce the thing. Instant money. Then the next day, tell your friends you are gonna take back the thing, they buy/sell, take it back. More instant money.

That they are destroying their countries economy in the process is not relevant to these grifters.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9193 Posts
May 23 2025 14:30 GMT
#28217
Those stocks may never grow back to their current value if the atmosphere of uncertainty becomes the new norm.
You're now breathing manually
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
May 23 2025 14:48 GMT
#28218
On May 23 2025 23:11 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
This yes/no, raise/lower, dangle tariffs, pull them back, it’s just perpetual instability and uncertainty.


But that is how they can make lots of cash. Decide a thing, tell your friends you are going to announce it, they buy stocks and options and so forth accordingly, then announce the thing. Instant money. Then the next day, tell your friends you are gonna take back the thing, they buy/sell, take it back. More instant money.

That they are destroying their countries economy in the process is not relevant to these grifters.

That’s a rug pull you can do a few times.

If you keep going ‘will she/won’t she’ over and over again, the markets might assume it’s the boy crying wolf and not react according to how you want them.

While shitty, I 100% agree that it’s a smart move for the shady, but you can’t keep doing it.

‘Look I’ve got my suitcase, I’m leaving you’ will make me sit up and pay some notice if my partner did that I’ll be figuratively shitting myself. If it’s like the fifteenth time she’s done that and not left I’ll roll my eyes and get on with my day
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4726 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-02 07:30:04
June 02 2025 07:18 GMT
#28219
My two cents about why Poland choose to elect unashemed thug, football hooligan and even perhaps a drug addict over a liberal:
-Like I have written earlier Trzaskowski really was a terrible candidate. He might be popular inside his own party, but Poland does not have two party system, You have to reach out to voters outside Your hard base to win. A he always have had a huge negative base.
-Main selling point of Trzaskowski was: "I am not PiS"
-Trzaskowski was seen as pro Immigration and LGBT rights etc. And especially immigration is a losing issue in Poland as a whole. It might win You big cities, gave some votes in parlimentary elections but as shown here it will lose You entire country.
-His party leader (currently PM) Tusk didnt help. He should have just shut up. He has GIGANTIC negative electorate and every time he opens his mouth people just get riled up. He should hire a spokeperson and just hide in the shadow as Kaczyński does.
-The hate for PiS might have carried KO last elections, but every day thats gone by since last time PiS ruled this effect diminishes. Some people already forgot how much they hate PiS.
-KO had a much better candidates - Sikorski would have been a slam dunk. He has none of Trzaskowski flaws and a lot pluses and mertis. It is true he lost KO primaries but again in national election You have to win votes outside of Your party. Being more liked (or easier to control by Your own party) is not a merit in a country wide election.

TLDR: Its a very similiar to how Trump was elected, especially first time. The pararels are obvious. For me choosing Trzaskowski over Sikorski was very much like choosing Hillary over Bernie. Might make sense from party point of view, but Your own party is NOT ENOUGH to win election.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia594 Posts
June 02 2025 07:40 GMT
#28220
Ah, the age old story of the right being united and the left doing purity testing and pushing their own candidates despite them not being able to galvanize the whole left spectrum because of party politics.

We just had local elections in Croatia and they went in a depressingly similar fashion, our second biggest city has, for the last 4 years had a physicist, smart guy as it's mayor, the guy ran for re-election but because his local party got into the fight with the 2 biggest left parties in the country over them having a candidate running against him (who fell out in the first round), in the second round the voters for the other 2 parties stayed at home and now our second biggest city will be ruled by a guy who's a proven criminal, a corrupt piece of shit who stole city and state property for his family, all of this was documented but it didn't matter, the right came out, voted and now they get to steal for another 4 years.

The physicist guy is leaving politics and the world is, once again, just like in the case of Poland a bit shittier of a place for it. Yey.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Prev 1 1409 1410 1411 1412 1413 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 37m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft789
Nina 259
ProTech56
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4534
Hyuk 3781
Backho 661
Larva 589
zelot 98
scan(afreeca) 65
sSak 49
IntoTheRainbow 9
Dota 2
XcaliburYe268
League of Legends
JimRising 698
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K713
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor193
Other Games
summit1g7594
SortOf89
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1390
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH264
• Light_VIP 32
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2150
Upcoming Events
FEL
1h 37m
Krystianer vs sOs
SKillous vs ArT
MaNa vs Elazer
Spirit vs Gerald
Clem vs TBD
uThermal vs TBD
Reynor vs TBD
Lambo vs TBD
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6h 37m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
10h 37m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
FEL Cracov 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.