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On June 14 2018 05:14 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 03:52 LegalLord wrote:
Macron is something of a shameless opportunist. It’s hard to be upset on a daily basis about him being the type of person he’s already consistently shown himself to be. Macron was still the better president to elect though. Le Pen wanted France to exit the EU.
I worked with a French man during the election; he was legitimately scared of Marine Le Pen getting elected. To the point of, 'well I can probably get citizenship here if I work long enough, right?'
His breakdown of Le Pen's policies and the history of her movement was pretty scathing. He seemed to think that wanting to leave the EU was the least of her sins.
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Le Pen never had a chance to be elected, but she's the perfect scarecrow to make people like Macron win: no need a program, no need to convince or even debate, you just autowin on the reject of the far-right. For now.
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If there’s anything good that can be said about Macron it’s that he’s a far better choice than Valls or Hamon. I’m glad the French quietly chose not to ever give those two any semblance of a chance at victory.
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On June 14 2018 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Le Pen never had a chance to be elected, but she's the perfect scarecrow to make people like Macron win: no need a program, no need to convince or even debate, you just autowin on the reject of the far-right. For now.
Yeah, why not? I'd elect literally a donkey rather than Le Pen. At least there will be less problems.
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On June 14 2018 15:15 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Le Pen never had a chance to be elected, but she's the perfect scarecrow to make people like Macron win: no need a program, no need to convince or even debate, you just autowin on the reject of the far-right. For now. Yeah, why not? I'd elect literally a donkey rather than Le Pen. At least there will be less problems.
Yeah, but I'd elect a donkey over almost all politicians. The question to ask is who will I vote for when the choice is between the Le Pens and Trumps of the world or a feudalist conservative that copies the politics of those in questions of migration, but adds to that facist surveillance laws, attacks on the free press, austerity, Christian fanatism and corruption like the Orbans, Kurzs, Kaczynskis and Putins of the world. Their politics have become the same in many areas and I consider them much worse in others. There are no liberal-conservatives left in much of the right-wing and as we speak, the last big figurehead of them, Angela Merkel, is under heavy attacks by her own faction.
In the choice between national socialism and feudalist fascism I take the former (fully knowing that there are no socialist elements in it).
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On June 14 2018 10:28 LegalLord wrote:
If there’s anything good that can be said about Macron it’s that he’s a far better choice than Valls or Hamon. I’m glad the French quietly chose not to ever give those two any semblance of a chance at victory.
Valls ans Macron are the same...
Hamon is actually someone who could have a shot at making things better if he was not under the banner of a sinking party.
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On June 14 2018 23:56 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 15:15 sc-darkness wrote:On June 14 2018 07:10 TheDwf wrote:
Le Pen never had a chance to be elected, but she's the perfect scarecrow to make people like Macron win: no need a program, no need to convince or even debate, you just autowin on the reject of the far-right. For now. Yeah, why not? I'd elect literally a donkey rather than Le Pen. At least there will be less problems. Yeah, but I'd elect a donkey over almost all politicians. The question to ask is who will I vote for when the choice is between the Le Pens and Trumps of the world or a feudalist conservative that copies the politics of those in questions of migration, but adds to that facist surveillance laws, attacks on the free press, austerity, Christian fanatism and corruption like the Orbans, Kurzs, Kaczynskis and Putins of the world. Their politics have become the same in many areas and I consider them much worse in others. There are no liberal-conservatives left in much of the right-wing and as we speak, the last big figurehead of them, Angela Merkel, is under heavy attacks by her own faction. In the choice between national socialism and feudalist fascism I take the former (fully knowing that there are no socialist elements in it).
Every dog has its day. Merkel's been leading Germany so long that she can truly go down in the books as having a specific 'era' to call her own.
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Some news from France's far-right migratory policy:
French police cut soles off migrant children's shoes, claims Oxfam
Charity accuses authorities of detaining minors without food before illegally returning them to Italy
French border police have been accused of detaining migrant children as young as 12 in cells without food or water, cutting the soles off their shoes and stealing sim cards from their mobile phones, before illegally sending them back to Italy.
A report released on Friday by the charity Oxfam also cites the case of a “very young” Eritrean girl, who was forced to walk back to the Italian border town of Ventimiglia along a road with no pavement while carrying her 40-day-old baby.
The allegations, which come from testimony gathered by Oxfam workers and partner organisations, come two months after French border police were accused of falsifying the birth dates of unaccompanied migrant children in an attempt to pass them off as adults and send them back to Italy.
“We don’t have evidence of violent physical abuse, but many [children] have recounted being pushed and shoved or shouted at in a language they don’t understand,” Giulia Capitani, the report’s author, told the Guardian.
“And in other ways the border police intimidate them – for example, cutting the soles off their shoes is a way of saying, ‘Don’t try to come back’.”
Daniela Zitarosa, from the Italian humanitarian agency Intersos, said: “Police [officers] yell at them, laugh at them and tell them, ‘You will never cross here’.
“Some children have their mobile phone seized and sim card removed. They lose their data and phonebook. They cannot even call their parents afterwards.”
Italy accused France of hypocrisy this week for failing to share the burden of the ongoing migrant crisis. The spat developed when the French president, Emmanuel Macron, criticised what he called Italy’s “cynicism and irresponsibility” in turning away a migrant rescue ship with 629 people on board.
Matteo Salvini, Italy’s new anti-migrant interior minister, who blocked the Aquarius rescue vessel from docking in Sicily, accused France of turning its back on 10,524 migrants at the border between January and May this year.
Capitani said unaccompanied minors had for some time been sent back to Italy by French police, although it was only in March that they allegedly began falsifying birth dates on “refusal of entry” documents – one month after a court in Nice ruled that border authorities had illegally detained and returned children to Italy in 20 cases.
Under the Dublin regulation, child migrants in France cannot be sent back to Italy if they request asylum. EU law stipulates that unaccompanied minors must be protected, and that those seeking asylum in one member state have the right to be transferred to another where they have family members.
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So has anyone here read The Camp of the Saints?
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No. I got better ways to waste my time.
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Is that like a spiritual predecessor of the Houellebecq book? I read that one and thought it was really bland. Western civilization doomsday porn seems to be some sort of new subgenre, especially in France
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I'd venture France has better fascist writers than Raspail. I mean the premise seems as subtle as Atlas Shrugged.
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In a few hours there will be a joint declaration of most of Austria's top level officials, such as the president, the chancellor, ministers and top secret service officials. Turns out that the German BND has been surveilling half of the country between 1999 and 2006, in particular international organisations and embassies, but also including universities and the private sector.
If it is true, and the extreme reaction seems to suggest that, I hope they will be heading towards a direct confrontation with Germany. Maybe having a nationalist government will pay off for once.
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On June 16 2018 20:54 Big J wrote:
In a few hours there will be a joint declaration of most of Austria's top level officials, such as the president, the chancellor, ministers and top secret service officials. Turns out that the German BND has been surveilling half of the country between 1999 and 2006, in particular international organisations and embassies, but also including universities and the private sector.
If it is true, and the extreme reaction seems to suggest that, I hope they will be heading towards a direct confrontation with Germany. Maybe having a nationalist government will pay off for once.
So much for the new "Axis" then? 
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Well, maybe they want to use that to damage Merkel further, which is benefitial for getting their axis with Seehofer and Salvini.
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Is the mood in Germany that Merkel has been in power for too long? Is there someone better?
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On June 16 2018 21:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Is the mood in Germany that Merkel has been in power for too long? Is there someone better?
Yes and no.
That's why schulz peaked to over 35% when he announced, but then S&D politics happened...
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On June 16 2018 21:22 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2018 21:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Is the mood in Germany that Merkel has been in power for too long? Is there someone better? Yes and no. That's why schulz peaked to over 35% when he announced, but then S&D politics happened...
S & D? Social and Democrat? I'm not well versed in German politics, honestly. I know the AfD is a thing and people are worried, but not much more than that.
Merkel's been the Chancellor for 13 years consecutively, which is a hell of a long time in politics. So it seems quite likely to me that people are just getting tired and want someone new.
I think the migrant crisis + Brexit might be what finally topples her.
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I think the migrant crisis + Brexit might be what finally topples her.
How does Brexit make her look bad from German perspective?
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I'm fairly sure that the thing that brings Merkel down is the general census that current center parties don't have any solutions, vision or plans to begin with. So the national vision become stronger in the middle right, since that was the only vision/nightmare the conservatives ever had, while the middle left more or less live in their utopia of fairly social capitalism and while it's fairly pleasant, it doesn't help them win elections.
On June 16 2018 22:38 Sent. wrote:How does Brexit make her look bad from German perspective?
It makes the EU look weak and Merkel has for many years inwards and outwards been the figurehead of the EU. The fact alone that's been decided weakens all those ppl who promote unity and say that "there is no other way".
The more the EU struggles the less useful it seems for Germany and the stronger the people claiming that all the financially problematic countries drag Germany down become.
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