A Song of Ice and Fire - Page 33

Being immune to death or coming back from the dead is not in itself something so god awefull that it instantly ruins a story. It can have a very good place like it did with Berric.

Berric is a minor character. His revivals are an intresting aspect of his character but they are not of a very meaningfull impact. In this case it's a good aspect of the story in that it adds some mystery and is part of how the magic in the series slowly builds up.

I also did not mind the revival of Catelyn because her revival has cleary left her a different character.


What i can't stand though would be a handy dandy perfect revival of a main character. If Jon just brushes of death then that would be bad imo.

What a writer might think is that when a character returns from the dead is that he wrote some ingenious twist and we are all dropping the book in shock. But that's not really what happens. When characters just flat out revive like that the audience feels cheated. One of the defining aspects of this series is that death can come at any moment to any character. That is the exact opposite of reviving a character. When you revive a character you just cheapen the weight that death carries.

So revival can be an intresting aspect to a story but a main character coming back from the dead is almost always a bad twist.


We all wanted Eddard Stark to live, we all wanted Rob Stark to live, but these stories are better for those hard choices.

You're absolutley right. I hope GRRM knows what he's doing.

Becuase I'm certain that he's coming back. It's no coincidence that the prologue was about a skinchanger who died.

The whole thing about Quentyn being the sun rising in the west and setting in the east, followed by Daeny's 'period'(?) is crazy, but the other two parts of the prophesy are not yet as solidly fulfilled - especially the seas drying up.

Fuck Dany, that is all. She fancies herself a "good guy" and does all this fucking messed up double crossing shit. I hope she dies. Please, Georgie, kill her off. Preferably the mountain rapes her so hard his cock impales her and she dies. Oh, and, I am loving the Red Wedding. So awesome ^^

The dothraki sea was going through a drought so it "dried up"

I disagree about Jon, I think it's fairly obvious that Martin positioned his "death" in such a way that he could easily be revived by the Walls resident Red Priest, Melisandre. Because honestly, Jon was much too large a part of the story to kill off.

It's pretty clear that Jon has plot armour. With all the time spent in his storyline, GRRM would never just cut him out like that. In some form or another, he will come back. Most popular theories are Jon warging with Ghost (then returning to his body after Melisandre patches it up), Jon coming back as Fried Jon (a la Victarion's arm), or perhaps even as a wight. Whatever it is, he's not getting perma killed. It's also interesting to note that this frees Jon from his duties from the Nights Watch and allows him to attend other matters. I'm also getting the feeling that he's either the Prince that was Promised or AA reborn (if they aren't the same thing). He's certainly shaping up to be one of the main characters of the series.

As for the recurring theme of death and resurrection, I do agree that GRRM has overplayed it slightly. I certainly hope he tones it down a little in future books.

Jon isn't dead, not just yet. If he's to die, it'll be at the start of the next book/between this one and the next. And personally, there are a few ways he can keep on trucking. For a start, having a Priestess of R'hllor who by all accounts has a damn sight more power than Thoros. I always got the impression he had never been able to work anything magical until dragons were born again, whereas Melisandre has too much faith in her powers for it to be a recent thing - she's been doing this kind of thing for most of her life. She thinks Jon is important, although I don't think she knows how important, otherwise she wouldn't have let herself be left behind by Azor Ahai reborn himself.

Robert Strong just has to be Gregor Clegane, or at least lots of him. Bigger than any man should be, Gregor was taken downstairs for Qyburn. We also have the hints of Sandor being at peace, but the Hound is dead (which isn't really true, since someone else took up the helm and it's still being used). Personally really hoping that Sandor is the one that has to stop Robert

Very interesting ending for Dany, I want to find out if Drogon ever becomes used to having her on his back. They're obviously growing used to each other and she was able to call him down after accepting who she was... Also how does she keep getting these armies? Looks like Kahl Pono might be a lonely man next book.

Tyrion's chapters really interested me. Finally he has been confronted with what it really means to be a dwarf. He has been obsessed with the notion he is a dwarf and let that define him, when really that's not him at all - he's the son of one of the most powerful Houses in Westeros first and foremost. Penny has forced him to deal with what it really means to be smaller than everyone else and completely without the means to defend himself or have others do it for him. At the end he's making his own choice as to what he will be - a slave or someone who can manipulate the situation. Though can't wait to see what Dany will say to Brown Ben...

I don't think there is any chance of it being Jon. Yes, he died under a bleeding star (bleeding corpse with a star sigil). Yes, there was the tears (salt) and there was 'fire' (the smoking wound). But the prophecy says that AA will wake stone dragons, does it not?

Cause Dany was 'reborn' under a bleeding star (that giant red star that the entire world saw? Old Nan thought it meant dragons). She was crying, too (salt). And there was literally a giant smoking fire. And she literally woke stone dragons. They've sort of been her main thing, these dragons.

Even Maester Aemon thought that Mel was confused and that it's actually Dany.

Unless Jon wakes some dragons, too... that would... I dont nkow how I'd feel about that. O_o

I don't think he will die, theres been too much invested in him as a character. My guess is either he will survive his wounds, he will warg into ghost, or melisandre will revive him (the other red priest can do it I see no reason why she can't)

Yeah it seems thos eare the most popular theories and they're almost certainly right. He WILL warg into Ghost, they said a few times during DwD and even eralier that you stay alive in your warg-animal after you die. Hopefully Ghost is safe, lol. I hope it's only 2 years for the next book. -.-