A Song of Ice and Fire - Page 35

am i the only one who didnt give a fuck when robb died ??
also..Jon is obviously not dead or staying dead.. he migth return as ghost,be resurrected by mel,or pull a "doc emmet brown" and be wearing armor
also..shit is gonna go crazy in the wall with Jon dead...

Robb's death didn't actually hit me very hard either. I think one of the main reasons for this might be that it was spoiled a bit early, but I guess I never felt a huge connection to the character. This imght be becasue I was expecting death for a long time, however. There was so many things forshadowing his death, especially near the Red Wedding.
RIVERS DONT PURR LIKE LIONS UNLESS THATS A SECRET MESSAGE.

Robb randomly marries some random girl who looks at him sweetly, despite having already promised himself to someone else in a super important political move, and in general handles the situation pretty immaturely.

Daenaerys is maybe a bit more mature than your average sheltered 13 year old, but come on - she lets her attempts at idealism nearly destroy everything, several times.

Sansa was pretty immature until super recently, and she's the oldest.

Arya isn't an example of maturity at all, but probably the one least likely to do something stupid enough to get herself killed (although the random killing of the singer was a bit unwise ).

Yeah, the adult characters make bad choices too, but I feel they are not as often made out of naiveity as those made by the younger characters (Robb and Daenarys in particular).

Oh and Jon. Come on. Biggest example of all.

Bran, meh... He was pretty childish until he lost his legs, wasnt he?

Those two corpses that Jon pu tin the ice cells. Do they ever wake up? Or are they sorta just forgotten?

except Rob, who was just pretty stupid about the whole marriage thing. Arya killed because she had to, Sansa is finally not being so naive because if she did she would blow her cover and get her and Petyr killed. Jon was voted Lord Commander and made what he felt were the best decisions in what was a difficult situation.

Isn't it theorized that his attraction + subsequent marriage to Jeyne was supernatural in origin? Basically, Melisandre burned those 3 leeches in order to kill the 3 other kings for Stannis. If we consider how Joffrey died, it seems that the effect could be QUITE convoluted.

So basically, Melisandre's magic forces Robb to fall in love -> violate his oath to the Freys -> Freys kill Robb.

people were speculating that jeyne's [who's grandmother or great grandmother (don't remember which) was the maegi that read cersei's fortune] mother had knowledge of love potions etc, and purposely used it on Robb so he would fall in love with Jeyne, knowing that this would fuck up his alliance. it does make some semblance of sense, seeing how well the westerlings came out of the whole ordeal (they got many favorable concessions from the lannisters) in return for basically nothing.

That is true that he was destined to die through Mel's spell, but the manner of his death was his own fault. If for instance, he had not married Jeyne Westerling he possibly would have simply been killed in battle, or by disease, which would have been devastating, but not as devastating to the overall northern cause and thier campaign against the Lannisters. Cat would have still been alive, Edmure would still be Lord of Riverrun, the Frey-Lannister-Bolton alliance might not have ever happened and perhaps it could have spurned the army of the North and the Riverlands to fight with even greater ferocity, since then they would be looking to avenge their kings death. The north had Lords like the Greatjon that would not have let their cause fall to pieces upon Rob's death.

So yes, Rob's death may have been destined to happen, but the manner of his death was caused by his own actions, if he had died in some other manner, without the whole Frey betrayal thing going down, it would have not been as bad for the Starks and the north as it is currently, because the Red Wedding happened.

While Arya is on her way to the Lightning Lord Beric she wakes after a wolf dream and wanders toward sounds of talking. She comes upon a woman shorter than her by a foot but MUCH older who speaks of dreams she has had. I believe this short thing to be a wandering child of the forest and one of her dreams was a dead fish in the river with red tears or some such on her checks that opened her eyes. I think that she had a Green dream of the wedding. It was most certainly destined to happen. But also if I recall correctly, a man with a pink spotted cloak can only be Lord Bolten, who showed that this was in fact a Lannister plot of sorts as well.

Oh boy I can't wait till that episode of the show.....people will bloody riot.