A Song of Ice and Fire - Page 32

If he is dead, Jon might receive the kiss from Melisandre and rise again as Azor Ahai, under the glowing of her stone.

Who Azor Ahai reborn is must be the big mystery.

Could it be Dany, with the meteor showing with her birth together with the dragons? Maybe she has to temper her sword in the blood of dragons, aka her biggest sacrifice (much like Nissa Nissa) Could possibly be two failed attempts at tempering a sword before that?

Its too hard to guess though. Those two options are probably the most obvious ones and therefore unlikely :p

There will be no Azor Ahai and the others will march over everyone.

Would be a better ending then Jon Snombie.

Was anyone else seriously disappointed there were no Bran or Davos chapters past the halfway point? I really wanted to hear about Davos going to presumably Skagos and going after Rickon. Regarding Bran, I cant believe he just left the story at that without explaining anything to Meera, without finding out who Coldhands is (for certain) and without explaining what the hell Jojen, Meera and Hodor are going to do!

I frankly couldn't give a fuck in the Cersei chapters but the Jaime chapter was great, very enjoyable.

The prologue didn't make much sense though, was it just to introduce the idea of Wargs retaining their spirits within their animals? Confusing.

I can understand entirely the fate that was left to Jon by the stewards. All his actions had pointed to the assumption Jon was still a wildling and was merely letting the Free Folk through the wall by means of peace over war. It still sucks donkeys though because I fucking love Jon.

And god dammit I was to know what the hell happened to both the alchemist and Archmaester Marwyn, why is this stuff not spoken of!

But the most enjoyable chapters for me were definitely the Victarion chapters. The guys just a out and out badass who respects the gods and knows his role. I cant help but think he's going to get fucked over though

I'm pretty sure without Jon there to hold the peace the 4k+ wildlings are going to slaughter the ~200 Nights Watch. Kind of a retarded idea to stab Jon in the back when they needed him the most.

I think the prologue was just to foreshadow the skills the Bran would eventually be able to learn, like controlling multiple animals.

TBH I don't really like Rickton but that's probably mostly because he like an infant and doesn't do anything

Jons not gonna dead, he is the blue flower in the wall that is danys 3rd love

Jaime chapters are awesome. Cersei chapters are awkward but make sense. What you say about Jon makes a lot of sense as well.

Here's the stuff about the alchemist, it's a mystery and not even a real chapter, like it should be.
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/23576-what-is-the-alchemist-up-to/
Read the comments for the smart stuff.


Victarion is so awesome it's scary.

Jaime chapters are awesome. Cersei chapters are awkward but make sense. What you say about Jon makes a lot of sense as well.

Here's the stuff about the alchemist, it's a mystery and not even a real chapter, like it should be.
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/23576-what-is-the-alchemist-up-to/
Read the comments for the smart stuff.


Victarion is so awesome it's scary.

Reading A Dance with Dragons will fix it for you. AFFC and ADWD are supposed to be one continuous book, so that's why it feels so messed up. With ADWD, it makes so much more sense. If only he put them in a better order, but he split them by character, not chronologically.

ADWD will answer everything you wrote, and explain why Tyrion and Dany will never get together. Martin isn't about "pleasing his fans" if you haven't noticed from the 6 year wait.

About Jon: I am pretty sure he will be revived. We heard the quote "the dragon has three heads" several times. There are 3 dragons, so there need to be 3 targaryen (only some Targaryen blood is not enough as "Frog" Martel showed). Who are they if not Daenerys/Aegon/Jon? By that I am pretty sure Aegon's the true one too.

When/where did Arya get back her Needle? I completely forgot

So far, disappointing book, especially considering how epic book 3 was.

During ASoS, When the Hound and Arya encountered Polliver, the Tickler and some random squire at the Inn at the Crossroads, Polliver still had Needle with him. After the Hound and Arya killed the three (and the Hound was badly wounded), Arya found Needle and took it back.

Tyrion after getting captured by Mormont

Did not get that Theon was castrated until Iread this thread just now. Or the Frey pie, although I was sure the fat lord had them killed.

One thing I got myself...
"I know this man."
During Arya's chapters. It seems that a faceless man cannot take up a contract to kill someone they 'know,' hence why the Braavosi people who helped Arya get to Braavos made sure she knew their names.

But I wonder... does the kindly man know that Arya is a warg? (for that matter, does Arya? Does she realize she's warging into Nymeria, or does she think its just dreams?) I feel like if he DOESNT know, then she's not as ready as she thinks she is. What I mean is, her losing her eyes was a test and a learning experience... and she not supposed to get her eyes back until he deemed her worthy. He seemd to think she was ready once Arya concluded that it was him beating her, but she only knew that by 'cheating' (ie using a cats eyes). She coulnd'dt even defend herself from him before getting her eyes back, which I thought would be a pretty useful talent toi have. I guess it might not mean shit in the end, though.

Either way, I dont think she'll ever become a true faceless man. She CANNOT be noone; not unless she somehow loses her warg powers.
Unless being truly no one isn'at actually an attainable thing, sort of like 'enlightenment' from Bhuddists...

I have a lot of complaints about this book, which really stems from where the other books have been going. At some point Martin needs to quit ruining everyone's plans and actually let the plot move on.

The one thing that really got to me was the introduction of 'Frog'. He literally introduces a somewhat enjoyable character and kills him off before that character accomplishes anything. I really don't even understand why his chapters were in the book. There was obviously a lot uncovered and explain/lots of cool stuff, but deep down, it really didn't do anything for me.

Finally when Jon is going to do something cool, kill Ramsey, Martin kills him. It's not like Jon was even doing something righteous or awesome where you would expect Martin to kill him. He was going to break his vows, which is something he struggled with throughout the series, and Martin doesn't even let him do that.

Whether he has some cool moments plans based on the outcomes of this book or not, I'm getting sick of Martin's predictable screwing people over moments. I thought that letting Jon break his vows, doing some cool stuff, then dying eventually due to forsaking his vows, would have been 10x better than killing him off.

I know most people think Jon is going to be revived, and he probably is, which really ruins a lot of what made Martin so amazing. If you're going to kill someone off, Gregor, Jon, Cat... at least have the balls to do it for good. @@

Sorry for the long rant. <3

Well they're saying that one of the main things about Frog is that he helps fufull the prophecy: The sun rises in the west and sets in the east; Quent being the sun. His chapters were full of information that I'm sure the magical theorycrafters will pick up on. I know that I probalby mssed all the little clues. . .

as for Jon, was he really breaking his vows? He was going to go south to face Ramsay, yes, but it wasn't exactly taking part... I felt liek it was more of a personal thing. Jon was personally threatened. He himself seemed not to be completely sure if he was breaking his vows (although he said that if he was, it was good that only he was).

I sure as hell did not expect this. I thought that if he did die, it woudl be in the last book saving the world or some shit. I feel the same about Arya. I feel everyoen else is pretty expendable.
STILL, I'm sure that he'll be back, and I don't want him dead. . . but I really don't want some cheap revival. :S

I wonder what will happen when Ghost finally howls.

There can only be a cheap revival if he brings Jon back. It doesn't really matter how he spins it, i have never in my life seen a character come back from the dead and thought to myself "wow this is great writing".

Jon was one of my favorite characters but even i want him to stay dead for the good of the story.

Well, Berric came back and I didn't think that was so bad. Given, I barley even knew who he was whereas Jon was considered by many to be shaping up as the main character.

But we know that he's not dead-dead. His 'soul' will go into Ghost. And we know that one can warg into people and other animals. And then Bran is becoming all magical and shit. The Stark children already have some weird ass connection (Bran talked to Jon when he first warged; the wolves can feel eachother, etc). I feel like a ressurection can be workedo ut without even adding any new information. . .

Theoreitcally he might be able to warg from Ghost into another body, right? Can you warg into wights or dead things (the two bodies in the cellars...? Is that what Coldhands is?) I don't konw. Honestly I'm making shit up as I write.
It doesnt even have to be that complicated. Whats to say she cant just give him that kiss that berric got? :/

All i know is that I don't want him dead D: