Gaza war 2014 - Page 33

On July 26 2014 03:31 WhiteDog wrote:
Most arguments, that I read here, coming from pro israeli either defy common sense or have an irrationnal belief that Palestinians are all antisemitic who want to destroy Israel at all cost.
It is nothing more than common sense to believe that, if the two state solution is ratified, if the settlement are stopped, the blocus end and peace is made, Israeli will keep their weapon to protect themself. Nobody is asking for Israeli to let all their weapon down, so why even talking about it ?

On July 26 2014 04:42 ImperialFist wrote:


Can a Palestinian be anti-Semitic? Is that even possible? The Palestinians are just as Semitic as the Jews are. Awkward...

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel's defense minister says Israel may soon broaden its ground operation in the Gaza Strip significantly.

In a statement by Yaalon's office, he is quoted as telling troops in the field that "you need to be ready for the possibility that very soon we will instruct the military to significantly broaden the ground operation in Gaza."

On July 26 2014 04:16 radscorpion9 wrote:
I think the core problem is that Israel believes East Jerusalem is now definitively part of Israel, so much so that they've made it part of their new capital (in spite of protests from the UN). I think that, past a certain point in time even the UN will need to be realistic about calling East Jerusalem occupied territory, because there could be such a deeply established society that to uproot it in the name of historical ownership would do more harm than good, just like returning the majority of US land to native Americans would do more harm than good. The question is how much time will that take, or will the UN ever change its position?

Well I suppose they still have time to do something about it, but at this point I would rather support a peace plan that involves something like joint ownership over East Jerusalem rather than going back to pre-1967 borders. I really hope that the UN gets some "teeth" at some point in the near future. Would be cool to have the seeds of a world government

On July 26 2014 05:09 Adreme wrote:



So using the logic that if you just occupy a territory long enough you don't really have to give it back because its yours now and the people who lived there don't get to complain?

On July 26 2014 05:14 Nyxisto wrote:
Yes, that's basically how countries are founded,(you'll have problems finding a country that wasn't founded through some kind of war), including the United States. In the case of the state of Israel this isn't even accurate, because migration happened while the territory was under British control and the creation of Israel happened very shortly after some skirmishes between British and Israeli forces and the UK basically agreed to give the Israelis a sovereign state.

Not to mention that all Jews were basically driven either to the US or to Israel because after the decades of pogroms and extermination they just had no other place to live.

On July 26 2014 05:20 xM(Z wrote:

I'd like to see how that rhetoric of yours will hold up when things will be the other way around and Israel will be occupied.

On July 26 2014 05:09 Adreme wrote:



So using the logic that if you just occupy a territory long enough you don't really have to give it back because its yours now and the people who lived there don't get to complain?

On July 26 2014 05:25 Chocolate wrote:

Yeah that's how life works. Texas doesn't belong to Mexico, Virginia doesn't belong to the Powhatan, Russia doesn't belong to the Finns, etc. because none of those have occupied that territory in living memory. After enough time, your case for controlling that territory is that "my ancestors a long time ago used to live there" which is a shitty reason in general.

This also is a factor in how much bullshit it was for Israel to be granted Palestine, how much bullshit their wars of conquest are, and how unlikely it is for what is now Israel to be given back to Palestine.

On July 26 2014 05:27 m4ini wrote:


Guess crimea doesn't belong to ukraine then, by that logic. Yet, quite alot of posters in here were outraged by what russia pulled.

On July 26 2014 05:11 xM(Z wrote:
Americans really shit on Europeans for the latest protests. i guess they don't know that calling Europeans anti-Semites won't scare them into submission or something.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/23/anti-semitic-riots-in-europe-took-us-back-to-1938/
some events presented there didn't even happen ...

On July 26 2014 05:27 m4ini wrote:


Guess crimea doesn't belong to ukraine then, by that logic. Yet, quite alot of posters in here were outraged by what russia pulled.

edit: or as was said before me, east germany/west germany.

There's a difference between occupation and annexion. Germany was occupied, israel (and russia in the other conflict) are annexing land.

Edit: note, i'm not talking about what they were granted back in the day. But there's quite a difference between what was granted and where israel is now.

On July 26 2014 05:30 Agathon wrote:


It's not americans in general. It's just a well know right wing newspaper. Please don't answer stupid generalisation by stupid generalisation.

On July 26 2014 05:30 Agathon wrote:


It's not americans in general. It's just a well know right wing newspaper. Please don't answer stupid generalisation by stupid generalisation.

On July 26 2014 05:38 xM(Z wrote:

i read the same stuff in other 3 American newspapers - huffingtonpost and couple others that i forgot their name. it's not one paper and it's not a right wing one.

Edit: you can take it to mean American newspapers if you're so offended by the alleged generalization.