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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 12:39:39
May 12 2014 12:37 GMT
#281
On May 12 2014 07:57 ZenithM wrote:
I'm proud of France's results.


I actually liked their song. That guy with the hair and the basecap was hilarious.
I wonder if France just gets punished for their annoying refusal to speak the same language everyone else uses at the contest.

edit: talking about the guys reporting the votes, not the song itself-
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 12 2014 14:46 GMT
#282
On May 12 2014 21:37 Monsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:57 ZenithM wrote:
I'm proud of France's results.


I actually liked their song. That guy with the hair and the basecap was hilarious.
I wonder if France just gets punished for their annoying refusal to speak the same language everyone else uses at the contest.

edit: talking about the guys reporting the votes, not the song itself-

Yeah I think the fact that nobody understands what the heck the song is saying doesn't help ;D
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
May 12 2014 19:18 GMT
#283
On May 12 2014 08:53 L1ghtning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 00:02 Appendix wrote:
On May 11 2014 21:41 L1ghtning wrote:
On May 11 2014 09:17 karfussen wrote:
http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=GB

Here you can check detailed results. Look for example at United Kingdom, Norway, Netherlands or Austria - viewers liked Polish tits but jury hated them

How the results would look if only televoting votes were counted: here

Poland 5th place by voting. What's wrong with ppl? It was surely the worst song in the finals. Yeah, I get it if you appreciated their "show" for obvious reasons, but why waste your money on voting on that musical torture?

I'm generally a bit sceptical towards having a jury, mainly because it only consists of 5 ppl, but as long as they do a better job than the televoters, they deserve to stay. Hungary only got 10th place by televotes, and they had the song with probably the best musical arrangements. Thankfully the jury was knowledgeable enough about music to elevate it up to 5th place total. That's why the jury is a good thing. If quality doesn't get recognized, and songs like Poland's song gets recognition instead of Hungary's song, then more and more serious songwriters will just opt out, which will make the competition into more of a farce than it already is.


I find the notion that there should be a jury in case of people voting wrong to be silly. Let the most popular song win and don't go by some arbitrary measure like technique. Eurovision has always been as much about the show as the actual singing, and as long as it has the big audience it has serious songwriters won't opt out because some sense of pride.

I don't think the jury ranks the songs arbitrarily. The main difference is that they invest much more into the songs than the average voter does, plus, all of them are involved in the music industry, so they have more refined tastes on average, which generally means they are more open-minded to styles that may not be that mainstream. The jury's voting is how the general public would vote, if they devoted as much time to the songs, and were as knowledgeable about music as the jury is. Well, that's what the jury strives for, and obviously that's not always what you get, but since they incorporated the jury I have always agreed a bit more with the jury than with the televoters, despite its flaws.


What you say makes sense if the jury and the population at large would judge for example new compositions of Bela Bartok or similar music that certainly is difficult to enjoy first time you listen to it, but the whole point of ESC is to find out the most popular mainstream music for the mainstream. Sophisticated compositions need not bother.
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5545 Posts
May 12 2014 19:41 GMT
#284
On May 12 2014 21:37 Monsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:57 ZenithM wrote:
I'm proud of France's results.


I actually liked their song. That guy with the hair and the basecap was hilarious.
I wonder if France just gets punished for their annoying refusal to speak the same language everyone else uses at the contest.

edit: talking about the guys reporting the votes, not the song itself-


I would very much appreciate it if singing in your national language in ESC was the norm. It's not like we're not bombarded with American music everyday... Having nearly all songs in English is so bland. :< An easy solution to not being able to understand the lyrics would be having them translated so that people can familiarize themselves with them.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 12 2014 19:48 GMT
#285
On May 13 2014 04:18 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 08:53 L1ghtning wrote:
On May 12 2014 00:02 Appendix wrote:
On May 11 2014 21:41 L1ghtning wrote:
On May 11 2014 09:17 karfussen wrote:
http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=GB

Here you can check detailed results. Look for example at United Kingdom, Norway, Netherlands or Austria - viewers liked Polish tits but jury hated them

How the results would look if only televoting votes were counted: here

Poland 5th place by voting. What's wrong with ppl? It was surely the worst song in the finals. Yeah, I get it if you appreciated their "show" for obvious reasons, but why waste your money on voting on that musical torture?

I'm generally a bit sceptical towards having a jury, mainly because it only consists of 5 ppl, but as long as they do a better job than the televoters, they deserve to stay. Hungary only got 10th place by televotes, and they had the song with probably the best musical arrangements. Thankfully the jury was knowledgeable enough about music to elevate it up to 5th place total. That's why the jury is a good thing. If quality doesn't get recognized, and songs like Poland's song gets recognition instead of Hungary's song, then more and more serious songwriters will just opt out, which will make the competition into more of a farce than it already is.


I find the notion that there should be a jury in case of people voting wrong to be silly. Let the most popular song win and don't go by some arbitrary measure like technique. Eurovision has always been as much about the show as the actual singing, and as long as it has the big audience it has serious songwriters won't opt out because some sense of pride.

I don't think the jury ranks the songs arbitrarily. The main difference is that they invest much more into the songs than the average voter does, plus, all of them are involved in the music industry, so they have more refined tastes on average, which generally means they are more open-minded to styles that may not be that mainstream. The jury's voting is how the general public would vote, if they devoted as much time to the songs, and were as knowledgeable about music as the jury is. Well, that's what the jury strives for, and obviously that's not always what you get, but since they incorporated the jury I have always agreed a bit more with the jury than with the televoters, despite its flaws.


What you say makes sense if the jury and the population at large would judge for example new compositions of Bela Bartok or similar music that certainly is difficult to enjoy first time you listen to it, but the whole point of ESC is to find out the most popular mainstream music for the mainstream. Sophisticated compositions need not bother.

I'm not sure where you get the impression that eurovision has anything to do with popular mainstream music. The people that vote are not 'mainstream', it tends to be biased quite heavily to, for example, the gay community. There's nothing wrong with that but if you were to look at what is truly popular music by any objective standard (let's say album sales EU wide, downloads, or streaming plays) you wouldn't find any of them in the top 50.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
May 12 2014 20:20 GMT
#286
On May 13 2014 04:48 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 04:18 BaneRiders wrote:
On May 12 2014 08:53 L1ghtning wrote:
On May 12 2014 00:02 Appendix wrote:
On May 11 2014 21:41 L1ghtning wrote:
On May 11 2014 09:17 karfussen wrote:
http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=GB

Here you can check detailed results. Look for example at United Kingdom, Norway, Netherlands or Austria - viewers liked Polish tits but jury hated them

How the results would look if only televoting votes were counted: here

Poland 5th place by voting. What's wrong with ppl? It was surely the worst song in the finals. Yeah, I get it if you appreciated their "show" for obvious reasons, but why waste your money on voting on that musical torture?

I'm generally a bit sceptical towards having a jury, mainly because it only consists of 5 ppl, but as long as they do a better job than the televoters, they deserve to stay. Hungary only got 10th place by televotes, and they had the song with probably the best musical arrangements. Thankfully the jury was knowledgeable enough about music to elevate it up to 5th place total. That's why the jury is a good thing. If quality doesn't get recognized, and songs like Poland's song gets recognition instead of Hungary's song, then more and more serious songwriters will just opt out, which will make the competition into more of a farce than it already is.


I find the notion that there should be a jury in case of people voting wrong to be silly. Let the most popular song win and don't go by some arbitrary measure like technique. Eurovision has always been as much about the show as the actual singing, and as long as it has the big audience it has serious songwriters won't opt out because some sense of pride.

I don't think the jury ranks the songs arbitrarily. The main difference is that they invest much more into the songs than the average voter does, plus, all of them are involved in the music industry, so they have more refined tastes on average, which generally means they are more open-minded to styles that may not be that mainstream. The jury's voting is how the general public would vote, if they devoted as much time to the songs, and were as knowledgeable about music as the jury is. Well, that's what the jury strives for, and obviously that's not always what you get, but since they incorporated the jury I have always agreed a bit more with the jury than with the televoters, despite its flaws.


What you say makes sense if the jury and the population at large would judge for example new compositions of Bela Bartok or similar music that certainly is difficult to enjoy first time you listen to it, but the whole point of ESC is to find out the most popular mainstream music for the mainstream. Sophisticated compositions need not bother.

I'm not sure where you get the impression that eurovision has anything to do with popular mainstream music. The people that vote are not 'mainstream', it tends to be biased quite heavily to, for example, the gay community. There's nothing wrong with that but if you were to look at what is truly popular music by any objective standard (let's say album sales EU wide, downloads, or streaming plays) you wouldn't find any of them in the top 50.


Ah well, I suppose that is a good point. Why are no ESC contributions on the lists? Because the ESC music is too complicated to become popular in the mainstream or simply too bad? Or because it is marketed differently than other music? I must confess I'm not very into this whole ESC exercise and I watched it last Saturday more by chance. I do recognize that the whole ESC has gotten incredible media coverage, at least in Sweden, for many years now.
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
May 12 2014 22:07 GMT
#287
Unsurprisingly, the most attention-grabbing 'artist' won. ESC feels more like a contest between marketing firms than a music contest nowadays. These songs are written by specialists and the artists are marketed according to how eccentric they look.
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
May 12 2014 22:20 GMT
#288
On May 13 2014 07:07 maartendq wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the most attention-grabbing 'artist' won. ESC feels more like a contest between marketing firms than a music contest nowadays. These songs are written by specialists and the artists are marketed according to how eccentric they look.


Nowadays? ESC has always been about the show, not about the music. It's simply a necessity considering it's on TV. I don't understand people who say this ruins the integrity of ESC.
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tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
May 12 2014 22:43 GMT
#289
Only question that matters. Is the winner hot?
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
May 12 2014 22:49 GMT
#290
On May 13 2014 07:20 Zetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 07:07 maartendq wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the most attention-grabbing 'artist' won. ESC feels more like a contest between marketing firms than a music contest nowadays. These songs are written by specialists and the artists are marketed according to how eccentric they look.


Nowadays? ESC has always been about the show, not about the music. It's simply a necessity considering it's on TV. I don't understand people who say this ruins the integrity of ESC.


The brothers Olsen who won it for Denmark some years ago didn't exactly have a great show - their song however was extremely well written (for an ESC). There have been times where song quality was the most important.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10696 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 22:57:16
May 12 2014 22:55 GMT
#291
Honestly the winning song is ok, i don't get the hate.
Would it have won when not sung by a bearded woman? Probably not.
Did you expect some GREAT song out of the eurovision song contest? Probably not. Every decade there is like one actually great song but in general? Its just a streamlined pop ballad or even "pure" fun/trash.

Its a show and some "artist" that delivered a show won.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17249 Posts
May 12 2014 23:49 GMT
#292
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
May 13 2014 20:27 GMT
#293
Jury votes vs Televoting was published today for Austria in Der Standard:

http://derstandard.at/1399507276850/Eurovision-Wer-stimmte-fuer-wen

The interesting finding is that the various juries gave Austria everything from 1st spot (9 juries) to 24th (2 juries) and the jury votes are in general much more spread than the televotes that had Austria between 1st and 5th (with the exception of Estonia who put Austria in 8th). So with just the sample of Austria, the televoters all over Europe turned out to be rather of one mind as opposed to the juries. Funny that, eh?
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L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
May 13 2014 21:20 GMT
#294
On May 13 2014 07:55 Velr wrote:
Honestly the winning song is ok, i don't get the hate.
Would it have won when not sung by a bearded woman? Probably not.
Did you expect some GREAT song out of the eurovision song contest? Probably not. Every decade there is like one actually great song but in general? Its just a streamlined pop ballad or even "pure" fun/trash.

Its a show and some "artist" that delivered a show won.

What you're basically saying is that Sweden would have won if the austrian singer had participated as "himself", rather than as his Conchita Wurst persona.
Sweden had the other strong power ballad in the competition, and Austria losing enough points to lose the lead most likely would have given Sweden more than enough points to pass the Netherlands (and Austria).

So the question is, was Sweden's song better than Austria's song? I don't think so, although I think it was pretty close. After seeing the finals I thought it was between Austria and Sweden. They were not necessarily my favourites, although I like both songs, but I thought they were the only songs that were strong enough and accessible enough to win.

Austria would have been the odds favourite if it weren't for the fact that certain groups of ppl (who tends to be in abundance in the media) still thinks that we're living in the 19th century.


Anyway, the Netherlands getting 2nd position should be proof enough that standing out means squat. Yeah, they stood out, but on the opposite side of the spectrum, they stood out by not having a show. And you just have to take a look at the winners in previous years. Very few of them stood out, the one I can think of is Loreen, but that performance was very well choreographed and had a lot of artistic merit.
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