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On May 11 2014 20:50 Monsen wrote:Everyone hating on that guy/girl whatever claiming he won solely based on his shock value needs to take a good hard look on himself when it comes to homophobia. There's no way in hell that a performer in such an outfit gets +10 points from so many nations, east european included (no offense but they tend to be a bit less liberal when it comes to the alternate sexualities) with a bad song. If you would just hear in on the radio is sounds just like a James Bond intro. There's no need to put a dick in there, but at least get your heads out of your asses. For myself the songs that came closest to something I would willingly listen to myself were from Finland and Armenia, but I was very pleasantly surprised by the outcome of the contest. I guess Europeans are more tolerant than I thought. 
The ESC is huge in the LGBT-community (heck, we even held a mini gay-pride the past week in Copenhagen in recognition of this). To call everyone who points out that Wurst probably had an advantage for homophobic is quite frankly disgusting or at best extremely naïve. Sure, the performance and song was good enough, but just like the UK it is frankly a little bland.
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As a long time choir singer and a music enthusiast I am very disappointed with the quality of the winning song. I am thinking about competing as a male with silicon boobs and elf ears next year. Victory will be mine.
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On May 11 2014 20:59 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 20:50 Monsen wrote:Everyone hating on that guy/girl whatever claiming he won solely based on his shock value needs to take a good hard look on himself when it comes to homophobia. There's no way in hell that a performer in such an outfit gets +10 points from so many nations, east european included (no offense but they tend to be a bit less liberal when it comes to the alternate sexualities) with a bad song. If you would just hear in on the radio is sounds just like a James Bond intro. There's no need to put a dick in there, but at least get your heads out of your asses. For myself the songs that came closest to something I would willingly listen to myself were from Finland and Armenia, but I was very pleasantly surprised by the outcome of the contest. I guess Europeans are more tolerant than I thought. The ESC is huge in the LGBT-community (heck, we even held a mini gay-pride the past week in Copenhagen in recognition of this). To call everyone who points out that Wurst probably had an advantage for homophobic is quite frankly disgusting or at best extremely naïve. Sure, the performance and song was good enough, but just like the UK it is frankly a little bland.
Could be, let's compare the basis of our arguments.
1. Openly LGBTs are a fairly small minority. In eastern Europe it's probably even smaller. Even if they tend to watch and vote more than the average European, chances are their voting power is very limited. (Not to mention that the final vote is compounded by the public votes and some "jury".)
2. A drag queen has participated in the past and not gotten anywhere.
Vs
3. There was a mini gay pride parade in Copenhagen last week.
So yeah, those seem pretty weak grounds for calling my conclusions "disgusting" and "extremely naive". If there was an advantage, it was minor and certainly not "the only reason that guy won". Which is the opinion I criticized.
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Eh didn't liked it, felt too much like propaganda against Russia with all the booing and the bearded woman winning (mediocre at best performance).
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On May 11 2014 09:17 karfussen wrote:http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=GBHere you can check detailed results. Look for example at United Kingdom, Norway, Netherlands or Austria - viewers liked Polish tits but jury hated them  How the results would look if only televoting votes were counted: here
Poland 5th place by voting. What's wrong with ppl? It was surely the worst song in the finals. Yeah, I get it if you appreciated their "show" for obvious reasons, but why waste your money on voting on that musical torture?
I'm generally a bit sceptical towards having a jury, mainly because it only consists of 5 ppl, but as long as they do a better job than the televoters, they deserve to stay. Hungary only got 10th place by televotes, and they had the song with probably the best musical arrangements. Thankfully the jury was knowledgeable enough about music to elevate it up to 5th place total. That's why the jury is a good thing. If quality doesn't get recognized, and songs like Poland's song gets recognition instead of Hungary's song, then more and more serious songwriters will just opt out, which will make the competition into more of a farce than it already is.
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On May 11 2014 21:10 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
As a long time choir singer and a music enthusiast I am very disappointed with the quality of the winning song. I am thinking about competing as a male with silicon boobs and elf ears next year. Victory will be mine.
Well, some european country would have to conquer the Bahamas first, so that might be a problem.
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On May 11 2014 21:46 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 21:10 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
As a long time choir singer and a music enthusiast I am very disappointed with the quality of the winning song. I am thinking about competing as a male with silicon boobs and elf ears next year. Victory will be mine. Well, some european country would have to conquer the Bahamas first, so that might be a problem.
All he/she has to do is to compete for Germany, not Bahamas, and Bob is your uncle. There is no rule against having foreign singer/songwriters in your team afaik? 
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I read some article on Wurst, with people saying he was one of the most impressive voice of his country ; result his song suck, and he is not that amazing.
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On May 11 2014 21:32 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 20:59 Ghostcom wrote:On May 11 2014 20:50 Monsen wrote:Everyone hating on that guy/girl whatever claiming he won solely based on his shock value needs to take a good hard look on himself when it comes to homophobia. There's no way in hell that a performer in such an outfit gets +10 points from so many nations, east european included (no offense but they tend to be a bit less liberal when it comes to the alternate sexualities) with a bad song. If you would just hear in on the radio is sounds just like a James Bond intro. There's no need to put a dick in there, but at least get your heads out of your asses. For myself the songs that came closest to something I would willingly listen to myself were from Finland and Armenia, but I was very pleasantly surprised by the outcome of the contest. I guess Europeans are more tolerant than I thought. The ESC is huge in the LGBT-community (heck, we even held a mini gay-pride the past week in Copenhagen in recognition of this). To call everyone who points out that Wurst probably had an advantage for homophobic is quite frankly disgusting or at best extremely naïve. Sure, the performance and song was good enough, but just like the UK it is frankly a little bland. 2. A drag queen has participated in the past and not gotten anywhere.
Who was that?
Edit: Holy shit Estonias third place finisher 2013
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On May 11 2014 21:41 L1ghtning wrote:Poland 5th place by voting. What's wrong with ppl? It was surely the worst song in the finals. Yeah, I get it if you appreciated their "show" for obvious reasons, but why waste your money on voting on that musical torture? I'm generally a bit sceptical towards having a jury, mainly because it only consists of 5 ppl, but as long as they do a better job than the televoters, they deserve to stay. Hungary only got 10th place by televotes, and they had the song with probably the best musical arrangements. Thankfully the jury was knowledgeable enough about music to elevate it up to 5th place total. That's why the jury is a good thing. If quality doesn't get recognized, and songs like Poland's song gets recognition instead of Hungary's song, then more and more serious songwriters will just opt out, which will make the competition into more of a farce than it already is.
the song is catchy, which is most important for pop music. They should have done the whole thing in polish though, english part was horrendous
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On May 11 2014 21:41 L1ghtning wrote:Poland 5th place by voting. What's wrong with ppl? It was surely the worst song in the finals. Yeah, I get it if you appreciated their "show" for obvious reasons, but why waste your money on voting on that musical torture? I'm generally a bit sceptical towards having a jury, mainly because it only consists of 5 ppl, but as long as they do a better job than the televoters, they deserve to stay. Hungary only got 10th place by televotes, and they had the song with probably the best musical arrangements. Thankfully the jury was knowledgeable enough about music to elevate it up to 5th place total. That's why the jury is a good thing. If quality doesn't get recognized, and songs like Poland's song gets recognition instead of Hungary's song, then more and more serious songwriters will just opt out, which will make the competition into more of a farce than it already is.
I find the notion that there should be a jury in case of people voting wrong to be silly. Let the most popular song win and don't go by some arbitrary measure like technique. Eurovision has always been as much about the show as the actual singing, and as long as it has the big audience it has serious songwriters won't opt out because some sense of pride.
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I thought they got rid of the public voting because it was incredibly geographically biased?
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On May 11 2014 20:22 SkelA wrote:
Ask yourself if the song would win if it was performed by a normal girl instead of a gay/transvestite girlman with a tick beard ?
He/she won 99% based on his looks and shock value instead of the song.
Now that i look back I remember Isreal and Serbia wins and Ukraine 2nd place. If you send a gay/trasnvesite, lesbo or some freakshow you are guarantieed to get to top 3 no matter how terrible the song is.
To be fair though, I still think Ukraine's 2007 entry is the culmination of what eurovision is. It's the song I'd show to people if anyone ask me what eurovision is .
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Haha I love this contest really ;D. The music is terrible (in my opinion) and the performances are so creepy sometimes. It its fun to watch when on the right mood.
Its just a massive convention for gay men all over Europe :D. A poor drinking game would be to drink when you see a woman in the audience ^^.
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On May 12 2014 01:09 HereBeDragons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 20:22 SkelA wrote:
Ask yourself if the song would win if it was performed by a normal girl instead of a gay/transvestite girlman with a tick beard ?
He/she won 99% based on his looks and shock value instead of the song.
Now that i look back I remember Isreal and Serbia wins and Ukraine 2nd place. If you send a gay/trasnvesite, lesbo or some freakshow you are guarantieed to get to top 3 no matter how terrible the song is. To be fair though, I still think Ukraine's 2007 entry is the culmination of what eurovision is. It's the song I'd show to people if anyone ask me what eurovision is .
holly fuck, i regret checking it out
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On May 12 2014 01:14 Vertitto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 01:09 HereBeDragons wrote:On May 11 2014 20:22 SkelA wrote:
Ask yourself if the song would win if it was performed by a normal girl instead of a gay/transvestite girlman with a tick beard ?
He/she won 99% based on his looks and shock value instead of the song.
Now that i look back I remember Isreal and Serbia wins and Ukraine 2nd place. If you send a gay/trasnvesite, lesbo or some freakshow you are guarantieed to get to top 3 no matter how terrible the song is. To be fair though, I still think Ukraine's 2007 entry is the culmination of what eurovision is. It's the song I'd show to people if anyone ask me what eurovision is . holly fuck, i regret checking it out
Glorious, isn't it?
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On May 12 2014 00:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
I thought they got rid of the public voting because it was incredibly geographically biased?
It turns out that the jury can be even worse. This year they had to simply remove Georgia's jury vote due to vote fixing apparently.
...and as for the incredible geographical bias, obviously it is still there. It was so easy to guess yesterday roughly where the remaining three votes would go after the first result was shown after all.
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On May 11 2014 21:32 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 20:59 Ghostcom wrote:On May 11 2014 20:50 Monsen wrote:Everyone hating on that guy/girl whatever claiming he won solely based on his shock value needs to take a good hard look on himself when it comes to homophobia. There's no way in hell that a performer in such an outfit gets +10 points from so many nations, east european included (no offense but they tend to be a bit less liberal when it comes to the alternate sexualities) with a bad song. If you would just hear in on the radio is sounds just like a James Bond intro. There's no need to put a dick in there, but at least get your heads out of your asses. For myself the songs that came closest to something I would willingly listen to myself were from Finland and Armenia, but I was very pleasantly surprised by the outcome of the contest. I guess Europeans are more tolerant than I thought. The ESC is huge in the LGBT-community (heck, we even held a mini gay-pride the past week in Copenhagen in recognition of this). To call everyone who points out that Wurst probably had an advantage for homophobic is quite frankly disgusting or at best extremely naïve. Sure, the performance and song was good enough, but just like the UK it is frankly a little bland. Could be, let's compare the basis of our arguments. 1. Openly LGBTs are a fairly small minority. In eastern Europe it's probably even smaller. Even if they tend to watch and vote more than the average European, chances are their voting power is very limited. (Not to mention that the final vote is compounded by the public votes and some "jury".) 2. A drag queen has participated in the past and not gotten anywhere. Vs 3. There was a mini gay pride parade in Copenhagen last week. So yeah, those seem pretty weak grounds for calling my conclusions "disgusting" and "extremely naive". If there was an advantage, it was minor and certainly not "the only reason that guy won". Which is the opinion I criticized.
Your representation of the basis of the arguments are incredibly flawed/misunderstood, but you probably know that already. With such terrible argumentation we really aren't going to get anywhere. Enjoy life.
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I was looking for some good songs from previous song contests.
Here is what I found:
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