EPThttps://twitter.com/cctvnews/status/447316682059436034/photo/1/large
The debris is found 120 km from the search area.
source (chinese)
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Missing - Page 36
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
https://twitter.com/cctvnews/status/447316682059436034/photo/1/large The debris is found 120 km from the search area. source (chinese) | ||
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Duka08
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I find it hard to believe that the power/batteries would die shortly after a loss of fuel and hence engine power. Sure the engines keep the batteries charged and the power flowing, but massive airliners like this probably have a designated amount of time that the battery needs to last, for instruments and other purposes, in the event of engine shutdown (for whatever reason). | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On March 22 2014 23:40 Duka08 wrote: I find it hard to believe that the power/batteries would die shortly after a loss of fuel and hence engine power. Sure the engines keep the batteries charged and the power flowing, but massive airliners like this probably have a designated amount of time that the battery needs to last, for instruments and other purposes, in the event of engine shutdown (for whatever reason). Nope. They have a deployable fan, that provides minimum power, which in turn provides minimum control (i.e. not all control surfaces are active. Flaps are unuseable. Etc). All non-essential instrumentation goes dark, the computer shuts off (including auto pilot) and you have to fly manually. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On March 23 2014 00:31 HellRoxYa wrote: Nope. They have a deployable fan, that provides minimum power, which in turn provides minimum control (i.e. not all control surfaces are active. Flaps are unuseable. Etc). All non-essential instrumentation goes dark, the computer shuts off (including auto pilot) and you have to fly manually. IIRC, that's one of the things that helped save the Gimli Glider. | ||
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EmmeCY
Malaysia417 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
1.the pilot is the key (apparently he is someone related to Anwar). 2.i cannot believe that NONE of the passengers (this kind of plane is huge if you ever get on one) able to make contact with outside (15days and counting). (I am sorry) but lets say there is a chance of the passengers survive, they would be in the captive of some terrorists/secret organization either somewhere near middle east or some unknown island near oceanic. Simply because 15days and counting, you need food and drinks etc for survival. While my wild guess is that it is related to some complicated politics plot (look up Anwar), the pilot was hajacking the plane in order make ransom of something (related to politics) and obviously he wasn't planning to arrive beijing or any regional airport - somewhere near india/middle east or some military base near that region. However, the plan didn't work out, it was either due to some unexpected disastrous weather or the plane doesn't have technical requirement to achieve that or it was shot down by some unknown military force. The most logical explanation would be the plane was above some region that gives absolutely no signal for the phones and hence nobody could contact outside at all. And judging by there is still no survivor is found (like someone was able to make it to some shore etc), the plane crashed somewhere far away from land, or we can still hope for some body/corpse showed up after month/s to get to know where is the plane. + Show Spoiler + My deep condolences to the families. Obviously i still hope there are survivors. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9153 Posts
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WeddingEpisode
United States356 Posts
On March 23 2014 12:21 BurningSera wrote: I have been watching this and I still can't believe how this whole thing is most ridiculous tragedy i have ever heard of. 1.the pilot is the key (apparently he is someone related to Anwar). 2.i cannot believe that NONE of the passengers (this kind of plane is huge if you ever get on one) able to make contact with outside (15days and counting). (I am sorry) but lets say there is a chance of the passengers survive, they would be in the captive of some terrorists/secret organization either somewhere near middle east or some unknown island near oceanic. Simply because 15days and counting, you need food and drinks etc for survival. While my wild guess is that it is related to some complicated politics plot (look up Anwar), the pilot was hajacking the plane in order make ransom of something (related to politics) and obviously he wasn't planning to arrive beijing or any regional airport - somewhere near india/middle east or some military base near that region. However, the plan didn't work out, it was either due to some unexpected disastrous weather or the plane doesn't have technical requirement to achieve that or it was shot down by some unknown military force. The most logical explanation would be the plane was above some region that gives absolutely no signal for the phones and hence nobody could contact outside at all. And judging by there is still no survivor is found (like someone was able to make it to some shore etc), the plane crashed somewhere far away from land, or we can still hope for some body/corpse showed up after month/s to get to know where is the plane. + Show Spoiler + My deep condolences to the families. Obviously i still hope there are survivors. I think it was on this day's show of Coast to Coast that a caller (somehow in the know) described it as a hijacking/ransom, and that the plane is in Pakistan. I don't know who the caller was... | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Some cool art spoilered if people think its in bad taste: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NBTCnox.jpg) Artist's Impression of MH370 ditching in the Indian Ocean. | ||
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Dogfoodboy16
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On March 23 2014 12:21 BurningSera wrote: I have been watching this and I still can't believe how this whole thing is most ridiculous tragedy i have ever heard of. 1.the pilot is the key (apparently he is someone related to Anwar). 2.i cannot believe that NONE of the passengers (this kind of plane is huge if you ever get on one) able to make contact with outside (15days and counting). (I am sorry) but lets say there is a chance of the passengers survive, they would be in the captive of some terrorists/secret organization either somewhere near middle east or some unknown island near oceanic. Simply because 15days and counting, you need food and drinks etc for survival. While my wild guess is that it is related to some complicated politics plot (look up Anwar), the pilot was hajacking the plane in order make ransom of something (related to politics) and obviously he wasn't planning to arrive beijing or any regional airport - somewhere near india/middle east or some military base near that region. However, the plan didn't work out, it was either due to some unexpected disastrous weather or the plane doesn't have technical requirement to achieve that or it was shot down by some unknown military force. The most logical explanation would be the plane was above some region that gives absolutely no signal for the phones and hence nobody could contact outside at all. And judging by there is still no survivor is found (like someone was able to make it to some shore etc), the plane crashed somewhere far away from land, or we can still hope for some body/corpse showed up after month/s to get to know where is the plane. + Show Spoiler + My deep condolences to the families. Obviously i still hope there are survivors. Several things are making me discount the "lander"-theories: 1. Kidnapping would take ransom demands and keeping passengers alive is such a pain! Cargo could be stolen far easier in several other places. Stealing a 777 for scrap is... For terrorism, stealing the plane without using it whithin a week is begging to get caught! 2. Hijacking a plane is difficult after 9/11 and passifying the passengers in sufficient degree is not going to be easy either without proper weapons The only person capable of staging something to this amount would be one or both of the pilots and even then, mass murder seems like the only reliable option... 3. Most importantly: It makes less than no sense to push a planes reach 'till it is flying on empty (8:11 ping is far after expected landing in Beijing 6:30, making it absolutely bonkers! Even docking at 7:11 seems unnecessarily risky in that regard!). If you were going to land, doing it at least a couple hours before the fuel runs out seems far too obvious for a hijacker even remotely prepared. What happened can best be explained by some kind of hybrid between a deliberate diversion folowed by an accident/emergency/terror. I refuse to believe concious passengers would just let a plane divert towards the middle east or sit idle by when flying for hours towards/through the most desolate place on the face of the earth. Even pilot suicide would take some act of terror to work! I am truely sorry for the families and friends, but I don't see any rational way to justify believing that they are still alive. | ||
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 23 2014 18:21 Chewits wrote: Why do people think its terrorism/hijacking? Makes no sense. If it was a hijacking, you woulda heard from people holding passengers by now. If it was terrorisom, some terrorist group would have claimed it. But no one has. I am sorry for all the conspiracy nuts out there, but its most logically at the bottom of the sea, and something catasrophic happened. Its sad, but we may never know what happened. I hope we do, but considering they are searching a small area of where it could be and this small area is almost twice the size of my country, its not gonna be easy.. Planes don't pre-plan course changes that would put it thousands of miles away on a whim. Someone changed the course and was changing it for at least 3+ hours. This requires the "agency" of 1 or multiple people. Which means, at minimum, someone *caused* this. The issue is, as it has been for 2 weeks now: "Why?". There is a lot of options for "Why?", which means you can't just discount different a hijacking angle, as it assumes getting money for all of the passengers was the reason. If they were after something else on the plane (it was flying from one of the World's major black market cities...), we could have something more akin to a DB Cooper hijacking than a political one. There are any number of possibilities, the problem is there isn't much to knock off the major ones. | ||
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triforks
United States370 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On March 23 2014 18:21 Chewits wrote: Why do people think its terrorism/hijacking? Makes no sense. If it was a hijacking, you woulda heard from people holding passengers by now. If it was terrorisom, some terrorist group would have claimed it. But no one has. I am sorry for all the conspiracy nuts out there, but its most logically at the bottom of the sea, and something catasrophic happened. Its sad, but we may never know what happened. I hope we do, but considering they are searching a small area of where it could be and this small area is almost twice the size of my country, its not gonna be easy.. ?? People are thinking hijacking because it's one of the more plausible theories given the evidence. And just because it might have been a hijacking doesn't mean the hijackers actually accomplished their goals, it's entirely possible for both a hijacking and a crash to take place. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23153 Posts
On March 23 2014 18:21 Chewits wrote: Why do people think its terrorism/hijacking? Makes no sense. If it was a hijacking, you woulda heard from people holding passengers by now. If it was terrorisom, some terrorist group would have claimed it. But no one has. I am sorry for all the conspiracy nuts out there, but its most logically at the bottom of the sea, and something catasrophic happened. Its sad, but we may never know what happened. I hope we do, but considering they are searching a small area of where it could be and this small area is almost twice the size of my country, its not gonna be easy.. People think it was terrorism/hijacking first because of paranoia, then because that's all right wing outlets are framing it as. They have painted the pilot as a radical Muslim who was distraught over a pro democracy figure being imprisoned. So naturally as a Muslim his first inclination was to terrorism, ya know ignore his religion which forbids suicide and become a one man terrorist org... Given the transponder issues are questionable essentially every other aspect you expect to see in a terrorist attack has been absent. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
When people don't know exactly what happened, they do the next best thing and start jumping to random conclusions. It's human nature. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6226 Posts
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/chinese-search-plane-finds-suspicious-objects-in-indian-ocean/5341692 A Chinese aircrew has spotted "suspicious objects" in the southern Indian Ocean in the search for vanished Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, the official Xinhua news agency is reporting. Searchers discovered "two relatively big floating objects with many white smaller ones scattered within a radius of several kilometres", Xinhua said, citing a reporter on board a Chinese Ilyushin-76 plane.The larger objects were "white and square", it added. "The crew has reported the coordinates to the Australian command centre as well as Chinese icebreaker Xuelong, which is en route to the sea area," Xinhua said. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) says it has been advised about the reported objects sighted by a Chinese aircraft. In a statement, it said the reported objects are within today's search area and attempts will be made to locate them. The Xuelong has now changed course towards the latest sighting, Xinhua said in a subsequent report. Earlier Xinhua reports said a Chinese military plane set off this morning from Perth to seek "suspicious debris" captured by satellite imagery in the remote waters. According to Xinhua, two Chinese planes that had been searching the area were returning to Perth, and the crew had asked Australia to send more aircraft to the area. Also, here's a graphic of the areas searched so far. These are absolutely vast stretches of ocean. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/EDELKfr.jpg) | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On March 24 2014 16:04 Belisarius wrote: So they're starting to find objects in the ocean. No idea whether it's the plane or random debris. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/chinese-search-plane-finds-suspicious-objects-in-indian-ocean/5341692 Also, here's a graphic of the areas searched so far. These are absolutely vast stretches of ocean. + Show Spoiler + Just heard that on radio. Hope we'll have news today. If the plane saw them, they sure have a location. | ||
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