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On March 11 2014 07:16 bonedriven wrote:
Nothing just goes disappeared unless you believe in aliens.
Now it's time for all of us to wake up. Terrorists can blow up a plane but they don't have the ability or wouldn't care to hide the debris.
Whenever someone says this, I know what follows is going to be entertaining.
Planes do, in fact, disappear. The ocean is a really big place in which to hide a chunk of metal, especially if that chunk suffered something like explosive decompression at 35k ft. Eventually, we'll find the pieces.
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On March 11 2014 07:13 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 05:44 itsjustatank wrote:On March 11 2014 05:40 yyfpulls wrote:
So has anything like this ever happened in the history of modern aviation? A plane just completely disappearing without any form of contact is paranormal level of weird. as mentioned before, Air France was lost over the Atlantic and it took years to find the plane and figure out what happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447 i thought they that flight maintained/retained contact?
yeah totally different scenario here. Also, debris was found one day after the incident.
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On March 11 2014 07:21 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:16 bonedriven wrote:
Nothing just goes disappeared unless you believe in aliens.
Now it's time for all of us to wake up. Terrorists can blow up a plane but they don't have the ability or wouldn't care to hide the debris.
Hence, it should be a deliberate plot supported by some big organizations. Now I wouldn't be surprised that it may be some war/assassination without smoke, among America (CIA etc) / Malasia or even China. You shouldn't underestimate those politicians' brutality.
In the meantime, there are many known chinese artists on that plane, relatives to some officials in China.
I think some unknown high technology weapons have been used so all evidence is also destroyed.
America/ Malaisia / China, 1 or 2 of them may know the truth, which will just never be told to the public. But they have to play along with this "mysterious" show.
If my speculation is right, this incident will never have a determined explanation to the public. And if it isn't, you'll make up a new bogus reason as to how our governments made us believe it was just an ordinary crash when it clearly was a high tech weapon shooting lasers from space to kill chinese artists. Right?
I'm not interested in long E-penis. It is just my speculation as I didn't deny either. My point was that this incident should have involved some big power, be it from whichever special agency in any country. It's all possible. Simply because I don't believe a plane can disappear and no trace can be found after 3 days.
The incident Air France 2009 is the most close, but they at least had sent distress signal.
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On March 11 2014 07:41 vAtAZz wrote:According to the french newspaper site Le Figaro, it has been reported that some of the cell phones belonging to Chinese people who were in the plane are still ringing. The plane may have been stolen, and all the people taken hostage.Source (french, sorry)Sum up of the article : + Show Spoiler +
Selon le Washington Post, plusieurs numéros de téléphone des passagers présents à bord du Boeing continueraient de sonner, assurent des proches qui ont tenté de les joindre. La logique voudrait qu'ils soient hors service, s'ils sont immergés, ou que l'avion s'est désintégré. Le site China.org indique ainsi que 19 familles ont signé un communiqué commun attestant que plusieurs numéros de téléphones sont toujours actifs. Ces proches ont tenté de contacter les autorités pour qu'elles traquent ces téléphones et qu'elles retrouvent la trace de l'avion. Mais elles n'ont pour l'instant pas reçu de réponse.
According to the Washington Post, several phone numbers of passengers on board the Boeing continue ringing ensure relatives who tried to join. Logic would dictate that they are off, they are immersed, or that the aircraft disintegrated. The website indicates China.org and 19 families have signed a joint communiqué stating that several phone numbers are still active. These relatives tried to contact the authorities to track down these phones and they found the trace of the plane. But they have so far received no reply.
china.org just takes me to a website for sale so........
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This whole thing could all just be a gorilla marketing campaign for the seventh season of "Lost".
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On March 11 2014 07:44 bonedriven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:21 Mandalor wrote:On March 11 2014 07:16 bonedriven wrote:
Nothing just goes disappeared unless you believe in aliens.
Now it's time for all of us to wake up. Terrorists can blow up a plane but they don't have the ability or wouldn't care to hide the debris.
Hence, it should be a deliberate plot supported by some big organizations. Now I wouldn't be surprised that it may be some war/assassination without smoke, among America (CIA etc) / Malasia or even China. You shouldn't underestimate those politicians' brutality.
In the meantime, there are many known chinese artists on that plane, relatives to some officials in China.
I think some unknown high technology weapons have been used so all evidence is also destroyed.
America/ Malaisia / China, 1 or 2 of them may know the truth, which will just never be told to the public. But they have to play along with this "mysterious" show.
If my speculation is right, this incident will never have a determined explanation to the public. And if it isn't, you'll make up a new bogus reason as to how our governments made us believe it was just an ordinary crash when it clearly was a high tech weapon shooting lasers from space to kill chinese artists. Right? I'm not interested in long E-penis. It is just my speculation as I didn't deny either. My point was that this incident should have involved some big power, be it from whichever special agency in any country. It's all possible. Simply because I don't believe a plane can disappear and no trace can be found after 3 days. The incident Air France 2009 is the most close, but they at least had sent distress signal.
where does it say 447 had sent a distress signal? i couldnt find anything that says it did before crash
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On March 11 2014 07:44 bonedriven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:21 Mandalor wrote:On March 11 2014 07:16 bonedriven wrote:
Nothing just goes disappeared unless you believe in aliens.
Now it's time for all of us to wake up. Terrorists can blow up a plane but they don't have the ability or wouldn't care to hide the debris.
Hence, it should be a deliberate plot supported by some big organizations. Now I wouldn't be surprised that it may be some war/assassination without smoke, among America (CIA etc) / Malasia or even China. You shouldn't underestimate those politicians' brutality.
In the meantime, there are many known chinese artists on that plane, relatives to some officials in China.
I think some unknown high technology weapons have been used so all evidence is also destroyed.
America/ Malaisia / China, 1 or 2 of them may know the truth, which will just never be told to the public. But they have to play along with this "mysterious" show.
If my speculation is right, this incident will never have a determined explanation to the public. And if it isn't, you'll make up a new bogus reason as to how our governments made us believe it was just an ordinary crash when it clearly was a high tech weapon shooting lasers from space to kill chinese artists. Right? I'm not interested in long E-penis. It is just my speculation as I didn't deny either. My point was that this incident should have involved some big power, be it from whichever special agency in any country. It's all possible. Simply because I don't believe a plane can disappear and no trace can be found after 3 days. The incident Air France 2009 is the most close, but they at least had sent distress signal.
Aliens are equally (un)likely. This is just a baseless conspiracy theory when we have absolutely no knowledge of the incident at all. As much as I disagree with stuff like the theories about 9/11, the moon landing etc., these are at least based on some (mostly false) information. Why anyone would come up with governments plotting to kill chinese artists (and everyone else on board) when all we know is that a plane is missing, is beyond me.
Oh and the Air France 447 did not send a distress signal. Their computer system sent an automatic report via radio, including reports of partial system failure, which is done at pre-set intervals. These reports are not automatically sent when a system fails - therefore, if there is a sudden system failure resulting in a crash outside of said intervals, the plane will not send a report. Manual distress calls by the pilots are also unlikely in hectic situations.
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On March 11 2014 07:46 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:41 vAtAZz wrote:According to the french newspaper site Le Figaro, it has been reported that some of the cell phones belonging to Chinese people who were in the plane are still ringing. The plane may have been stolen, and all the people taken hostage.Source (french, sorry)Sum up of the article : + Show Spoiler +
Selon le Washington Post, plusieurs numéros de téléphone des passagers présents à bord du Boeing continueraient de sonner, assurent des proches qui ont tenté de les joindre. La logique voudrait qu'ils soient hors service, s'ils sont immergés, ou que l'avion s'est désintégré. Le site China.org indique ainsi que 19 familles ont signé un communiqué commun attestant que plusieurs numéros de téléphones sont toujours actifs. Ces proches ont tenté de contacter les autorités pour qu'elles traquent ces téléphones et qu'elles retrouvent la trace de l'avion. Mais elles n'ont pour l'instant pas reçu de réponse.
According to the Washington Post, several phone numbers of passengers on board the Boeing continue ringing ensure relatives who tried to join. Logic would dictate that they are off, they are immersed, or that the aircraft disintegrated. The website indicates China.org and 19 families have signed a joint communiqué stating that several phone numbers are still active. These relatives tried to contact the authorities to track down these phones and they found the trace of the plane. But they have so far received no reply.
china.org just takes me to a website for sale so........
Washington Post article
China.org article
It seems that the website URL was not complete on the news. Sorry for that.
Might be some terrorist attack. I'm sure (I hope) US (FBI, CIA, Navy Seals) already know where it is, and are just waiting to resolve the case then announce everything is all right. They redo their Ben Laden attack, go America!
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On March 11 2014 07:41 vAtAZz wrote:According to the french newspaper site Le Figaro, it has been reported that some of the cell phones belonging to Chinese people who were in the plane are still ringing. The plane may have been stolen, and all the people taken hostage.Source (french, sorry)Sum up of the article : + Show Spoiler +
Selon le Washington Post, plusieurs numéros de téléphone des passagers présents à bord du Boeing continueraient de sonner, assurent des proches qui ont tenté de les joindre. La logique voudrait qu'ils soient hors service, s'ils sont immergés, ou que l'avion s'est désintégré. Le site China.org indique ainsi que 19 familles ont signé un communiqué commun attestant que plusieurs numéros de téléphones sont toujours actifs. Ces proches ont tenté de contacter les autorités pour qu'elles traquent ces téléphones et qu'elles retrouvent la trace de l'avion. Mais elles n'ont pour l'instant pas reçu de réponse.
According to the Washington Post, several phone numbers of passengers on board the Boeing continue ringing ensure relatives who tried to join. Logic would dictate that they are off, they are immersed, or that the aircraft disintegrated. The website indicates China.org and 19 families have signed a joint communiqué stating that several phone numbers are still active. These relatives tried to contact the authorities to track down these phones and they found the trace of the plane. But they have so far received no reply.
already repudiated, this is wild speculation based on reporting on secondary sources.
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On March 11 2014 08:15 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:41 vAtAZz wrote:According to the french newspaper site Le Figaro, it has been reported that some of the cell phones belonging to Chinese people who were in the plane are still ringing. The plane may have been stolen, and all the people taken hostage.Source (french, sorry)Sum up of the article : + Show Spoiler +
Selon le Washington Post, plusieurs numéros de téléphone des passagers présents à bord du Boeing continueraient de sonner, assurent des proches qui ont tenté de les joindre. La logique voudrait qu'ils soient hors service, s'ils sont immergés, ou que l'avion s'est désintégré. Le site China.org indique ainsi que 19 familles ont signé un communiqué commun attestant que plusieurs numéros de téléphones sont toujours actifs. Ces proches ont tenté de contacter les autorités pour qu'elles traquent ces téléphones et qu'elles retrouvent la trace de l'avion. Mais elles n'ont pour l'instant pas reçu de réponse.
According to the Washington Post, several phone numbers of passengers on board the Boeing continue ringing ensure relatives who tried to join. Logic would dictate that they are off, they are immersed, or that the aircraft disintegrated. The website indicates China.org and 19 families have signed a joint communiqué stating that several phone numbers are still active. These relatives tried to contact the authorities to track down these phones and they found the trace of the plane. But they have so far received no reply.
already repudiated, this is wild speculation based on reporting on secondary sources.
Sorry, do you have a link?
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What is the big deal if the phones are ringing?
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On March 11 2014 07:59 Mandalor wrote:
Aliens are equally (un)likely. This is just a baseless conspiracy theory when we have absolutely no knowledge of the incident at all. As much as I disagree with stuff like the theories about 9/11, the moon landing etc., these are at least based on some (mostly false) information. Why anyone would come up with governments plotting to kill chinese artists (and everyone else on board) when all we know is that a plane is missing, is beyond me.
Ofc I didn't mean it's the artists they wanna kill...There are always somebody you don't know are vitally important who needs to be killed.
Oh and the Air France 447 did not send a distress signal. Their computer system sent an automatic report via radio, including reports of partial system failure, which is done at pre-set intervals. These reports are not automatically sent when a system fails - therefore, if there is a sudden system failure resulting in a crash outside of said intervals, the plane will not send a report. Manual distress calls by the pilots are also unlikely in hectic situations.
Thank you for clearing that up. Anyway, there's difference. So The MH370 just suddenly disappeared without no nothing signal sending out at all?
The only explanation is that it's blown up in air. Well some may believe other explanations like it landed some secret place but ...to me it's very unlikely.
And when it's blown up in air and you can't find any evidence, that's where it makes me believe that some capable power is behind it.
Edit: Above all, I mean the incident which seems to be mysterious to us may not be so to the government. Somebody is just covering up this whole thing for some (mostly hideous) reason. This is not rare in history.
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On March 11 2014 08:26 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
What is the big deal if the phones are ringing?
They appear to be ringing is the word used by competent news sources at this time. These are distraught families clinging on to unlikely shreds of hope; the only thing more unlikely is this ridiculous Ancient Aliens-tier discussion that's been going on for the last page or so.
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According to a China.org.cn report, 19 families signed a statement saying that dialing their loved ones' phones leads to a ring, rather than going straight to voicemail, as one would expect of a phone in airplane mode or otherwise unable to be reached.
But it's not that simple. When you hit the call button on some phones, a ringing tone begins immediately.
"However, that does not mean the phone you are calling is ringing yet," wrote wireless analyst Jeff Kagan in an email to NBC News. "The network is searching for the phone. First based on where it last was, then it expands. Then if the network can't find the phone, the call terminates."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-passengers-phones-ringing-maybe-not-n49371
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On March 11 2014 08:15 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:41 vAtAZz wrote:According to the french newspaper site Le Figaro, it has been reported that some of the cell phones belonging to Chinese people who were in the plane are still ringing. The plane may have been stolen, and all the people taken hostage.Source (french, sorry)Sum up of the article : + Show Spoiler +
Selon le Washington Post, plusieurs numéros de téléphone des passagers présents à bord du Boeing continueraient de sonner, assurent des proches qui ont tenté de les joindre. La logique voudrait qu'ils soient hors service, s'ils sont immergés, ou que l'avion s'est désintégré. Le site China.org indique ainsi que 19 familles ont signé un communiqué commun attestant que plusieurs numéros de téléphones sont toujours actifs. Ces proches ont tenté de contacter les autorités pour qu'elles traquent ces téléphones et qu'elles retrouvent la trace de l'avion. Mais elles n'ont pour l'instant pas reçu de réponse.
According to the Washington Post, several phone numbers of passengers on board the Boeing continue ringing ensure relatives who tried to join. Logic would dictate that they are off, they are immersed, or that the aircraft disintegrated. The website indicates China.org and 19 families have signed a joint communiqué stating that several phone numbers are still active. These relatives tried to contact the authorities to track down these phones and they found the trace of the plane. But they have so far received no reply.
already repudiated, this is wild speculation based on reporting on secondary sources.
I don't see why it would matter anyway. It's not the phone you're trying to call that's doing the ringing, it's the network. From what I understand if you're calling to another country it's not strange to get a ring signal.
Besides, if the ringing in this case somehow would indicate that the phones were actually on and could receive a call it would be quite simple to at least get a general location of the phone from the telephone company without having to make a call at all, which they obviously haven't been able to. So the phones are not connected to a network anywhere.
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itsjustatank is too fast for me apparently.
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On March 11 2014 08:33 bonedriven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:59 Mandalor wrote:
Aliens are equally (un)likely. This is just a baseless conspiracy theory when we have absolutely no knowledge of the incident at all. As much as I disagree with stuff like the theories about 9/11, the moon landing etc., these are at least based on some (mostly false) information. Why anyone would come up with governments plotting to kill chinese artists (and everyone else on board) when all we know is that a plane is missing, is beyond me.
Ofc I didn't mean it's the artists they wanna kill...There are always somebody you don't know are vitally important who needs to be killed. Show nested quote +
Oh and the Air France 447 did not send a distress signal. Their computer system sent an automatic report via radio, including reports of partial system failure, which is done at pre-set intervals. These reports are not automatically sent when a system fails - therefore, if there is a sudden system failure resulting in a crash outside of said intervals, the plane will not send a report. Manual distress calls by the pilots are also unlikely in hectic situations.
Thank you for clearing that up. Anyway, there's difference. So The MH370 just suddenly disappeared without no nothing signal sending out at all? The only explanation is that it's blown up in air. Well some may believe other explanations like it landed some secret place but ...to me it's very unlikely. And when it's blown up in air and you can't find any evidence, that's where it makes me believe that some capable power is behind it. Edit: Above all, I mean the incident which seems to be mysterious to us may not be so to the government. Somebody is just covering up this whole thing for some (mostly hideous) reason. This is not rare in history.
Based on the information we have so far, the plane landing on any ground can be ruled out almost completely. Mid air explosion is still a possibility afaik and so is a crash into the sea. The fact that the pilots and the plane's security system didn't send any kind of signal speaks for very hectic events. No sign of debris also makes high altitude explosions unlikely as the debris would be scattered over a huge radius and the search teams would have probably found something by now.
Then again, the search radius for the Air France crash was way bigger from day 1. The search teams might also be way off with the area to look at. Apparently they don't even know the exact direction the plane was taking when the signal was lost.
So... yeah, this is a very unusual and tragic event, as are most major plane incidents. For a jetliner to just vanish, a ton of very unlikely events and a combination of human and computer errors in a combination that has never happened before are the most likely reason.
EDIT: this is all afaik. I have yet to find any information on the last data the plane transmitted and I can't say I've read every single news piece.
EDIT2: One more thing about the automatic reports: These reports are not just plain english text that is easy to understand, but a huge amount of values and numbers that have to be interpreted. Data loss is also not unheard of with radio communication. It took Air France 4 days to disclose the information that they have indeed received an ACARS report that includes system failure messages.
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Don't know it this ever got answered but the question was asked earlier, "how far could it glide?"
"The flight's last telemetry data, as reported by flightaware.com, shows the airplane at 35,000 feet.
Even with a dual engine failure, a Boeing 777 is capable of gliding about 120 miles from that altitude."
Source
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they were abducted by the DHARMA INITIATIVE~!
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This sucks 
I found out today that I knew a couple people on the flight T_T
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