EPTaaaannnnd on a lighter note, a fucking hilarious Bush impersonator! enjoy!
Clinton speaking on Chavez
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
aaaannnnd on a lighter note, a fucking hilarious Bush impersonator! enjoy! | ||
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d4d
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
also, i fucking love clinton~_~ | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9374 Posts
bill clinton rules, he is still famous, and he got a blowjob out of his time being president. | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
Haha, his face was priceless, the unmistakable resemblance to Bush hahaha. | ||
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Wysp
Canada2299 Posts
On September 24 2006 18:27 funKie wrote: LOL at the second one. bill clinton rules, he is still famous, and he got a blowjob out of his time being president. a blowjob? That's just the one we heard about ;op I'm pretty sure Billy could get as much as he wants . | ||
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testpat
United States565 Posts
On September 24 2006 18:30 ieatkids5 wrote: Heh, I only watched the Bush impersonation and omg it made me rofl. Haha, his face was priceless, the unmistakable resemblance to Bush hahaha. That's so great, when we were kids i remember them telling us, don't stare into the sun, or you'll see weapons of mass destruction. | ||
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SCNewb
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On September 24 2006 18:32 Wysp wrote: [removed quote within quote] a blowjob? That's just the one we heard about ;op I'm pretty sure Billy could get as much as he wants . Then why did he have to rape an Arkansas women if he could just get whatever he wanted? Edit: To be fair, I agree with most of the points he made. We definately needed to get Afghanistan under control before we made any attempt at trying to get Saddam out of power. | ||
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Capt. Moroni
United States533 Posts
Thanks Heavens | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
edit: just saw him on meet the press also, not sure if it was a clip from before or its on right now. The fox thing is a reporter playing the clips of his interview with clinton. | ||
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Sharkey
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fusionsdf
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fox=propaganda | ||
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lastprobeALIVE
United States973 Posts
I thought this was pretty funny. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 24 2006 20:06 Boyle wrote: Erm I don't know how to do it  Have the Youtube video in my post just put the link by itself...no tags or code required. like http://y0utube.com/video | ||
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
" What a complete contrast to Bush. An inteligent and articulate interviewee with full answers to questions instead of the haha haha brain dead respose we are guaranteed from Bush." :D | ||
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azndsh
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tKd_
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Sadist
United States7237 Posts
Its disgusting to see that NEWS STATIONS are fucking slanted to hell. the media should REPORT, not try to make people believe what they want to believe. Man. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
They do things like that all the time . And they lie a lot too. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 24 2006 20:33 Sadist wrote: the media in america is becoming frightening. Its disgusting to see that NEWS STATIONS are fucking slanted to hell. the media should REPORT, not try to make people believe what they want to believe. Man. Even when they aren't slanted, they just do sound bites....Useless stories about shit like "are your kids REALLY safe", and other garbage... the news stories are usually horribly biased and are so shallow as to be useless. Its at the point where if someone says they watch the news, I know their take on world events is probably not all that great. PBS seems to be good some times though. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 24 2006 18:50 hasuprotoss wrote: [removed quote within quote] Then why did he have to rape an Arkansas women if he could just get whatever he wanted? Edit: To be fair, I agree with most of the points he made. We definately needed to get Afghanistan under control before we made any attempt at trying to get Saddam out of power. Uhmmm....what? Who exactly did Clinton rape? And why haven't I heard of this? EDIT: ...damn Im tired. Didn't mean to triple post | ||
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dronebabo
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Sadist
United States7237 Posts
this is why i hate politics and try not to post in threads like this  id love to move, but keep american tv(besides the news channels) because that euro tv that ive seen(mainly ireland/england) fuckign sucks ;D | ||
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tKd_
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Sadist
United States7237 Posts
On September 24 2006 20:46 tKd_ wrote: wow fox is corrupt. its not even just that, its like its scary because the american news channels have turned into pretty much Tabloids. Its fucking pathetic. It makes me sick to my stomach that these people were ever allowed to slip through the cracks and get into the positions they are in now. | ||
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
On September 24 2006 20:50 Zeller wrote: Clinton is awesome we need a new president like him i couldn't quote this enough if I tried so... once will have to do! | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
I get annoyed at high profile murder cases receiving inordinate amounts of coverage; they're always in it for the money. It's purely for ratings. Like any other media whore, Fox knows her audience (conservatives, WASPs, etc) and applies the proper technique for thought-orgasms. Oh, and Clinton is very good at public speaking. Silver tongue. EDIT: i didn't see anything about him speaking of Chavez in the OP's clip, kind of a misnomer of a title. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
They actually tried to lie after they just showed a video proving them wrong... :| Their viewers are so god damn stupid. A little while ago I was in the barber shop and fox news was on the TV. I was the only one in there so most of them were watching the tv. First the topic was about some high ranking al-qaeda guy being killed in Iraq and fox interviewed a democrat and asked how could he say Iraq is not important to the war on terror, since they just got 2 al-qaeda guys. The democrat said something like the whole war isn't worth those two [in come really angry shouts directed at the TV from the barbers] and that we've created more terrorism than there was before [incredulous + angry shouts]. Next up, some random guy talking about energy saying they should raise taxes like in European countries, and limit SUVs [angry mutters] and then he slipped in that the USA doesn't have enough oil to supply our needs. That brought the largest shouts at the TV. "There's plenty of oil in the united states!!!!!!!!!!!" etc etc. They were quite upset, and seemed to think there was a conspiracy preventing them from getting oil from the USA.... Then before I left they talk about global warming. The barbers opinions: "hahaha, I hope it goes up 10 degrees! and more in February!!!" | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 24 2006 21:09 HeadBangaa wrote: EDIT: i didn't see anything about him speaking of Chavez in the OP's clip, kind of a misnomer of a title. I saw it was in the title but the vid cut off before they got to it. I read that Clinton basically said it made Chavez look small and it was uneffective. | ||
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Amnesty
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itzme_petey
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
nobody watches them anyway john stewart vs tucker carlson is lollerific you should google it if you havent seen it already, if youre into our media's antics | ||
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BlackJack
United States10521 Posts
On September 24 2006 21:09 HeadBangaa wrote: I get annoyed at high profile murder cases receiving inordinate amounts of coverage; they're always in it for the money. I hate how they turn low profile murder cases into high profile murder cases. I don't care about Natalee Halloway or Scott Peterson | ||
Liquid`Drone
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jesus | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
Also i think its funny how right wingers constantly say on the news or the president says in his public speeches that "the answer to Iraq is not to pull out now! If we leave now we'll have abandoned the iraqi people and it'll be worse off than before." He says it as if thats what a democrat would do if he were in office or if they ran the senate or house. NO ONE is talking about pulling out of Iraq! NO DEMOCRAT is for pulling out of Iraq right now because they understand the consequences yet these people spew that shit on t.v to use it as backing for their fucking political party. Its just wrong that they use these false statements to try to imply that republicans would stay in iraq and democrats would immediately leave, its incredibly misleading! | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Uh, he's damn good at speaking o_O | ||
Hot_Bid
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1tym
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
People questioned Clinton's motives, NEVER his intelligence. Bush cannot say the same thing. | ||
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
I wanna smash that guy in the face. | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
haha =] | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
What a man... what a man. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
look at those skills! | ||
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cava
United States1035 Posts
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Sadist
United States7237 Posts
have him wake up in a cage with a hungry panda bear. | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
On September 24 2006 23:32 lil.sis wrote: dont worry about fox nobody watches them anyway john stewart vs tucker carlson is lollerific you should google it if you havent seen it already, if youre into our media's antics ROFL I just youtubed this, GOLD. Recommend it to everyone. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 24 2006 23:32 lil.sis wrote: dont worry about fox nobody watches them anyway wth are you talking about | ||
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
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lil.sis
China4650 Posts
On September 25 2006 09:38 Servolisk wrote: [removed quote within quote] wth are you talking about umm nobody below the age of 65 watches fox news | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On September 25 2006 09:40 lil.sis wrote: [removed quote within quote] umm nobody below the age of 65 watches fox news come to the south | ||
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lil.sis
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Servolisk
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radar14
United States1437 Posts
Fox is a testament to the good old American adage that if you have enough money, you can do whatever the fuck you want. And that includes running a comically slanted soapbox in the guise of a news network. It boggles my mind that the FCC or whoever the hell is in charge of TV creates a national emergency when Janet Jackson almost showed her nipple and yet has let Fox News run to millions of viewers a day. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On September 24 2006 20:39 fusionsdf wrote: [removed quote within quote] Uhmmm....what? Who exactly did Clinton rape? And why haven't I heard of this? EDIT: ...damn Im tired. Didn't mean to triple post Ok, a few things so I'll answer your question and go on some points I have to think about. Clinton "supposedly" raped a women named Junaita Broaddrick in 1978 back when he was running for Governor of Arkansas and was at that time Attorney General. I use the quotations because I would not want to think Bill Clinton a rapist; however, the same has to be said for Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill. The reason you haven't heard about it is because both sides of the media (All the news on TV but FOX on the left and FOX and the radio on the right) have agendas and don't really care about reporting the facts that NEED to be reported. On the thing of everybody else saying that FOX is a politically-right propoganda machine, I won't argue much with you on it, but the left CLEARLY has the same thing with other channels. This is shown in both Bias and Arrogance by Bernard Goldberg. Unfortunately, he doesn't delve into the conservative ideologues of FOX, but he clearly puts up good points as to why CNN; and more drastically, ABC, NBC, and CBS are guilty of liberal propaganda motives. Finally, while I don't see a non-partisan free media group ever forming, I do believe that reforms could really help out the media and put their thoughts more to the center than the farther fringe beliefs that they all hold right now. To be quite honest only the New York Times and Rush Limbaugh are really open about their ideology (to left and right, respectively). So while we are talking about how idiotic the newsrooms are, know that you are also listening to propoganda. The girl that Maddox talks about in his Elizabeth Smart article (here), Erica Pratt, actually had an intresting story behind her that you didn't hear if you watched ABC, et al. Her family was actually in a drug gang, and it is believed that the influences around her are the main reason she was kidnapped. While the good news should have been told, why wasn't the story told completely? That's a question that you should ask the media people and yourself when you decide to tune into ANYBODY before you take in the news. | ||
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garandou
Germany518 Posts
Argh, it's gone. Did anyone save it? ~~ | ||
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Continuity
United Kingdom34 Posts
On September 25 2006 06:02 Liquid`Drone wrote: god clinton was so incredibly much better jesus | ||
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ToT)Testie(
Canada723 Posts
If every country voted and we had a great turnout, of say 4 billion in favour, we could demand Clinton run the country again. America has had it's chance to vote. We could consider it the silly 5 year old we trusted with the box of crayons. But he wrote on the wall. And we forgave him. We let him keep the crayons, and he wrote on the wall again. I think it's time to take the crayons away. | ||
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Singu
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garandou
Germany518 Posts
On September 26 2006 08:46 Continuity wrote: [removed quote within quote] Wtf is the point of this quote? If it is supposed to say "I think so, too", then it doesn't contribute to the discussion in any way, neither does it corroborate the original point. It just wastes the time of everyone who is reading the thread. This "Quoting For Truth" is one of the most pointless and stupid things I have ever encountered on an internet forum. And to the guy who is inevitably going to QFT me: You're not funny, and that "joke" isn't clever. | ||
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ToT)Testie(
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Liquid`Daaman
Sweden1225 Posts
says it's no longer available new link someone? EDIT: I guess i found tons of videos on youtube, dingdidong, should think before post some time perhaps. | ||
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garandou
Germany518 Posts
On September 26 2006 09:04 Liquid`Daaman wrote: EDIT: I guess i found tons of videos on youtube, dingdidong, should think before post some time perhaps. heh, one would think that YouTube moderators or whoever is in charge of handling removal requests should be able to search for "clinton fox", but apparently they aren't  | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
So good, so good. Steve Bridges again, same guy who did: | ||
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BlackJack
United States10521 Posts
On September 26 2006 09:18 garandou wrote: + Show Spoiler + [removed quote within quote] heh, one would think that YouTube moderators or whoever is in charge of handling removal requests should be able to search for "clinton fox", but apparently they aren't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPyQ4Ae6Ei0 the video skips at 8:02, the word it skips over is "thing" | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
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Countdown | ||
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garandou
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Servolisk
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SuperJongMan
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I had chills down my spine when I saw that. Good presence | ||
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HeavenS
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fig_newbie
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I mean wtf, do you guys really think Bush isnt TRYING? LOL? He is, and, just like Clinton, he FAILED in reaching SOME of his goals. This guys commentary is still running and I'm getting angrier hearing his bullshit rhetoric, wtf im gonna turn this off gg | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
O god John Stewart is too fucking good. | ||
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dronebabo
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Servolisk
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On September 26 2006 17:50 fig_newbie wrote: -_- I really dont think clinton should be so glorified for that interview. Sure he chewed out that ridiculous sham of a reporter and he certainly spoke his own side of the issue (quite well I might add), but Obermann's commentary is itself also a complete disgrace to journalism. Clinton is not infallible and theres certainly two sides of the issue, I just wish this shit would stop its really frustrating to see media who we as the public sadly depend on to disseminate unbiased facts succumb to blatant tabloid journalism. I mean wtf, do you guys really think Bush isnt TRYING? LOL? He is, and, just like Clinton, he FAILED in reaching SOME of his goals. This guys commentary is still running and I'm getting angrier hearing his bullshit rhetoric, wtf im gonna turn this off gg Well, what did Clinton say that was inaccurate? He was very vigourly persuing anti-terrorism in his tenure. Up until 9/11, Bush is reported to have been sitting on his ass by Richard Clarke, the republican anti-terrorism chief, or w/e his title was, for Bush. What Obermann said was also correct. If you have a specific complaint, please make it and there will be a specific explanation for it. I don't want to read too much into your comment, but I notice a trend for moderate people to assume that anything in support of the left is left bias and the truth has to be in the middle. So many people think the middle is best, no matter what. And as a side note I think fox and right wingers uses this by going far to the right than any left wing goes, making the perceived middle really in the right. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 26 2006 18:07 Zooey wrote: hahaha oh god my prof always said to go with the printed press, saying tv news is garbage. can he be more right Why is print so much better? They pander to the same crowd, just in different ways, imo. Journalism is likely to go more in depth for a specific view point (potentially anyway, lots of people are scared to go on a limb). TV can show more at once with a variety of methods. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
If you go to Keith Oberrman or Bill O Reilly in Media Matters, you will see the amount of lies Oberrman says (nil) vs O Reilly... lol ~_~ As for if it is awful or not, that's for a viewer to decide, afterall, it is editorials and shown as one. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 25 2006 09:38 lil.sis wrote: im a fiscal conservative (ie republican) but i still love bill clinton, and dont really like george bush that much :[ I dont think fiscal conservative = republican any more On September 25 2006 15:32 hasuprotoss wrote: On the thing of everybody else saying that FOX is a politically-right propoganda machine, I won't argue much with you on it, but the left CLEARLY has the same thing with other channels. This is shown in both Bias and Arrogance by Bernard Goldberg. Unfortunately, he doesn't delve into the conservative ideologues of FOX, but he clearly puts up good points as to why CNN; and more drastically, ABC, NBC, and CBS are guilty of liberal propaganda motives. I don't think its quite to the same level hasu...actually its not at the same level at all....How many times do you hear pull our troops out of iraq, "should Bush be impeached?"... The mainstream media is guilty of being stupid and sensationalizing, but they mostly just try to get viewers, whereas fox doesnt really care if their stance loses them viewers, as long as the can convince people to vote republican. On September 26 2006 18:08 Servolisk wrote: I don't want to read too much into your comment, but I notice a trend for moderate people to assume that anything in support of the left is left bias and the truth has to be in the middle. So many people think the middle is best, no matter what. And as a side note I think fox and right wingers uses this by going far to the right than any left wing goes, making the perceived middle really in the right. All I can say is wow...This is actually a new technique that was created by a republican think-tank....I f I can find the originals, I will post... and to cap it off: rofl at 1:18 in...reporter looks so shaken by the answer. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
do you guys really think Bush isnt TRYING Trying? yes. Tried? No. The Bush administration had a clear agenda going into office(one that he did not share during his first campaign) to take out Saddam. Bush and his crews interpretation of geo-politics is fairly well known(PNAC, 20+ years of politics). The problem is that the Bush administration was so stuck within there world view, and so confident in it, that they failed to perceive a reality outside of it. 9-11 was not the first time Al-Queda had stuck the US. We were struck on Clinton's watch and Clinton could react to Osama without looking through the fog of neo-conservatism. BushCo's inability to work outside a rather stringent but conceptual viewpoint is proven by the fact that we went to war with Iraq in the first place. Osama, terrorism, 9-11 - all issues very different from Iraq, but Bush's solution to these problems is to take out Saddam? The very plan he had before 9-11? Rather than re-evaluate our security concerns and possible international power struggles, BushCo attempted to completely integrate the reaction to 9-11 into there pre-concieved notion about the Iraq. I believe this is one of the points Kieth was trying to drive home. An issue that really boils down to the wisdom and open mindedness of a relatively small number of men. Obermann's attack on Fox news was probably equally as important as his attack on the Bush administration. Maybe we can expect such a thing from competing news organizations, but the degree and tone that the attack was launched was outside the typical box of news anchor jibber. Essentially calling Fox Bush's goons is something blog junkies call every day business and hard core liberals call fact, but for a mainstream news anchor to come out and say it in such a manner is upping the anty on pushing the frustrations of most Americans into the lap of a real debate. I've never really liked Kieth Obermann, but he gets my respect for that. What he did was a bold move, something that a lot of journalist, especially in mainstream media, our unfamiliar with. And my hats off to Clinton. Surely he knew exactly what he was walking into taking an interview with Fox news. He came prepared, pistol loaded, and ready to shoot. I couldn't help but feel nostalgic watching a president speak with intelligence, and genuinely know what he is talking about. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
amazing how things change: EDIT: Fixed. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
I don't think its quite to the same level hasu...actually its not at the same level at all....How many times do you hear pull our troops out of iraq, "should Bush be impeached?"... The mainstream media is guilty of being stupid and sensationalizing, but they mostly just try to get viewers, whereas fox doesnt really care if their stance loses them viewers, as long as the can convince people to vote republican. I completely disagree, but that might just be my stance on thinking the media is run by some whackjobs on both sides. There is a reason the O'Reilly Factor is the highest cable news show in America. Whether it's because there is no other conservative mainstream media shows (your belief) or people are just tired of mass media and liberalism running hand in hand (my belief) is entirely a debate worth having; however, egos and other influences would probably distroy the argument. I personally agree with MOST of what Bill O'Reilly says, and for people who believe that he goes to hard on people who oppose his stance, then watch the interview he had with Bill Maher and see that O'Reilly didn't really do the whole yelling thing he is prone to do. The evangelical Christain women who followed up even pointed that out to O'Reilly. Of course there are differences in belief in why FOX news has been so sucessful, one can make a point for each side and seem intelligent to their peers and a complete pile of dung to their opposition. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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On September 26 2006 18:13 fusionsdf wrote: [removed quote within quote] I dont think fiscal conservative = republican any more I don't think its quite to the same level hasu...actually its not at the same level at all....How many times do you hear pull our troops out of iraq, "should Bush be impeached?"... The mainstream media is guilty of being stupid and sensationalizing, but they mostly just try to get viewers, whereas fox doesnt really care if their stance loses them viewers, as long as the can convince people to vote republican. All I can say is wow...This is actually a new technique that was created by a republican think-tank....I f I can find the originals, I will post... and to cap it off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AqaIa6wmMY rofl at 1:18 in...reporter looks so shaken by the answer. ....... That last video can't be serious.. NO ONE that stupid could possibly be elected president -_- | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 26 2006 18:36 fusionsdf wrote: amazing how things change: Didn't work, "malformed video ID" | ||
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fig_newbie
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On September 26 2006 18:08 Servolisk wrote: Well, what did Clinton say that was inaccurate? He was very vigourly persuing anti-terrorism in his tenure. Up until 9/11, Bush is reported to have been sitting on his ass by Richard Clarke, the republican anti-terrorism chief, or w/e his title was, for Bush. What Obermann said was also correct. I agreed with everything Clinton said. I admired his response to the ridiculous question posted to him. If you have a specific complaint, please make it and there will be a specific explanation for it. Yea I apologize for my mindless bitching. My beef was not with Clinton or even Bush, but the way lack of non-partisan reporting. I felt that Obermann's attack on Bush and his adminsitration was way overboard and his idolation of Clinton was bordering on lunacy. I mean wtf, as "minor" as the "witch hunt" Lewinsky thing was, it does reflect something about Clinton's character, whether or not Obermann acknowledges it. I've calmed down after watching the whole thing and upon reading your response I guess the left and right winged media have a tendancy to cancel each other out anyways. Its up to us, Joe Public, to make the decisions =\ | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 26 2006 18:45 hasuprotoss wrote: I completely disagree, but that might just be my stance on thinking the media is run by some whackjobs on both sides. There is a reason the O'Reilly Factor is the highest cable news show in America. Whether it's because there is no other conservative mainstream media shows (your belief) or people are just tired of mass media and liberalism running hand in hand (my belief) is entirely a debate worth having; however, egos and other influences would probably distroy the argument. I personally agree with MOST of what Bill O'Reilly says, and for people who believe that he goes to hard on people who oppose his stance, then watch the interview he had with Bill Maher and see that O'Reilly didn't really do the whole yelling thing he is prone to do. The evangelical Christain women who followed up even pointed that out to O'Reilly. Of course there are differences in belief in why FOX news has been so sucessful, one can make a point for each side and seem intelligent to their peers and a complete pile of dung to their opposition. Go watch the 'shut up' video again. Realize two things: O'Reily cant help but lie. Most of the people he yells shut up are kids. Go O'Reilly! And please dont ever call fox fair and balanced, which is what you seem to be aiming at. That has already been proved beyond a doubt to be false. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On September 26 2006 18:56 fusionsdf wrote: [removed quote within quote] I completely disagree, but that might just be my stance on thinking the media is run by some whackjobs on both sides. There is a reason the O'Reilly Factor is the highest cable news show in America. Whether it's because there is no other conservative mainstream media shows (your belief) or people are just tired of mass media and liberalism running hand in hand (my belief) is entirely a debate worth having; however, egos and other influences would probably distroy the argument. I personally agree with MOST of what Bill O'Reilly says, and for people who believe that he goes to hard on people who oppose his stance, then watch the interview he had with Bill Maher and see that O'Reilly didn't really do the whole yelling thing he is prone to do. The evangelical Christain women who followed up even pointed that out to O'Reilly. Of course there are differences in belief in why FOX news has been so sucessful, one can make a point for each side and seem intelligent to their peers and a complete pile of dung to their opposition. Go watch the 'shut up' video again. Realize two things: O'Reily cant help but lie. Most of the people he yells shut up are kids. Go O'Reilly! And please dont ever call fox fair and balanced, which is what you seem to be aiming at. That has already been proved beyond a doubt to be false.[/QUOTE] Is that the video where that guy comes on the show, O'Reilly gives him his time of day, tries to make a statement and then the lunatic keeps interrupting HIM?? Becuase, then we see the difference in opinions on how the situation was handled. About your second comment, I have already stated in my previous quote that FOX was leaning towards the right to the same extent the network news lean to the left. You seem to take me for an idiotic rightist, yet me beliefs would be that a nonpartisan news network would be the best thing for America (besides a key with all the ways to fix things and make the world completely correct, of course), yet it is something that neither of the following will ever achieve: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, nor FOX. I fail to see your point. To the person saying it's up to the Average Joe, you are absolutely correct. However, if a nonpartisan media network actually existed, then it wouldn't be up to Mr. Joe to decide which news network he agrees with most; he would instead be deciding which points brought up he agreed with more. | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
On September 26 2006 18:01 eG)HeavenS wrote: sorry double post it was an awsome double post ;P | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:04 hasuprotoss wrote: About your second comment, I have already stated in my previous quote that FOX was leaning towards the right to the same extent the network news lean to the left. To say that any of the other news networks are as far to the left as Fox News is to the right is a total fallacy. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:04 eG)HeavenS wrote: if you want proof O Reily is a fucking liar just watch the video of john stewart i posted (on this page) owning O Reily and catching in a lie, or rather, misinformation. O'Reilly stated that he believed that the liberal media was calling the captured terrorists as criminals. Condy did not say that the captured terrorists were criminals, rather she stated that they were not POWs. Of course we only get to hear that come out of her mouth, not what she believed the captured terrorists should be called. Also, if you actually watch The Factor, you know that O'Reilly doesn't call the captured terorists POWs. He wants to circumvent the Geneva Convention regulations to get answers (because he believes that cold rooms and playing music at loud volumes gets answers, and he will show the evidence to prove it; while evidence might be able to be shown otherwise), something that cannot be done if the captured terrorists are called POWs. Maybe, instead of watching shows that quote The Factor out of context, you should make it a daily habit to watch it. While you might not agree with anything he says, it is also a good dose of conservatism in your daily live of what appears to be pure liberalism. Balance is the essence of life, and at least making an effort to listen to both sides of the argument gives you a much better outlook on life. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:15 Mindcrime wrote: [removed quote within quote] To say that any of the other news networks are as far to the left as Fox News is to the right is a total fallacy. What the fuck? You have absolutely no proof to it. Read either of the books I presented and then read a book about conservatism in FOX. I gurantee you that they are at least close. Total fallacy does not describe my statement at all, especially with no proof to back it up. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:17 Servolisk wrote: I think Obermann provides a great example of media bias with the Lewinsky thing. Clinton got a type of full fledged negative attention Bush doesn't get about numerous war lies. Clinton bombs terrorist camps and they make very serious allegations about his motives, clearly different than how Bush is treated. A good point! However, having sex with a ssecratary is something that not many agree with. When Clinton tried to get Osama Bin Laden he was seen as trying to shake off the Lewinski deal. That was probably one of the few mistakes in his presidency, to fail to shake off the media's ideas about him and not follow through with the bombing of Al-Qaeda camps. It is clearly well documented that the CIA and FBI failed to help him out, which I don't believe was a flaw of Clinton's, much more rather the CIA and FBI's problem. Clinton was probably wrongly attacked for his intentions in Somolia while Bush has clearly gained a free-ride from most of the media (lacking some newspapers *coughNewYorkTimescough*) even though most of his foreign policy plans could be questioned undoubtedly. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:04 hasuprotoss wrote: [removed quote within quote] Go watch the 'shut up' video again. Realize two things: O'Reily cant help but lie. Most of the people he yells shut up are kids. Go O'Reilly! And please dont ever call fox fair and balanced, which is what you seem to be aiming at. That has already been proved beyond a doubt to be false. Is that the video where that guy comes on the show, O'Reilly gives him his time of day, tries to make a statement and then the lunatic keeps interrupting HIM?? Becuase, then we see the difference in opinions on how the situation was handled. About your second comment, I have already stated in my previous quote that FOX was leaning towards the right to the same extent the network news lean to the left. You seem to take me for an idiotic rightist, yet me beliefs would be that a nonpartisan news network would be the best thing for America (besides a key with all the ways to fix things and make the world completely correct, of course), yet it is something that neither of the following will ever achieve: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, nor FOX. I fail to see your point. To the person saying it's up to the Average Joe, you are absolutely correct. However, if a nonpartisan media network actually existed, then it wouldn't be up to Mr. Joe to decide which news network he agrees with most; he would instead be deciding which points brought up he agreed with more.[/QUOTE] Yes. And Im saying they aren't even close. The 'liberal media' is just a smokescreen to make neo-cons feel oppressed and united. whens the last time CNN or even CBS spent their entire news segment (never mind a 24 hour news channel) on the democrat talking points? You really think its coincidence they just happen to coinicde with the bush speach of the week? When was the last time the mainstream media (and from this I rightly exclude fox) consistently lied about a partisan issue? the bush documents? An entire network got uprooted and raked over the coals by neo-cons for that... The lies are so common on Fox, that I would be surprised if anyone was able to keep track. Saying "but the liberal media is just as bad" is highly disingenuous (at least I hope it is)... I know politics is about opinion, but if you say something like that, back it up with studies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/03/AR2006050302299.html Meanwhile on Fox news, we get gems of well informed and highly important news stories such as: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200978,00.html I'll post more later, but Im going to bed. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
Yes. And Im saying they aren't even close. The 'liberal media' is just a smokescreen to make neo-cons feel oppressed and united. whens the last time CNN or even CBS spent their entire news segment (never mind a 24 hour news channel) on the democrat talking points? You really think its coincidence they just happen to coinicde with the bush speach of the week? When was the last time the mainstream media (and from this I rightly exclude fox) consistently lied about a partisan issue? the bush documents? An entire network got uprooted and raked over the coals by neo-cons for that... The lies are so common on Fox, that I would be surprised if anyone was able to keep track. Saying "but the liberal media is just as bad" is highly disingenuous (at least I hope it is)... I know politics is about opinion, but if you say something like that, back it up with studies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/03/AR2006050302299.html Meanwhile on Fox news, we get gems of well informed and highly important news stories such as: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200978,00.html I'll post more later, but Im going to bed. Ok, added an extra quote thing because that was starting to get on my nerves, but now onto the valid points you do raise. Opinions matter in deciding which news is right for you. You are clearly liberal and thus you agree with what the mainstream news say more often than not. I am clearly conservative on issues (with the exception of the death penalty, but that is only one point) and thus I agree with FOX more often than not. Clearly neither side reports all of the stories nor all of the facts. Sometimes they produce stupid stories, like the one you linked to. One example of the liberal media failing to report all of the facts is in the Erica Pratt case. They failed to mention a drug connection with Erica Pratt's parents and her kidnappers. Of course, FOX brought this up. However, I am more than certain that you guys have your points of FOX not reporting all the facts that were within a story that the liberal media got right. We, the people who take in the news from a potentially wide variety of sources, must decide who got the story right. Unfortunately, media corporations will do anything to play their agendas, even at the cost of doing what they need to do (report the news factually). I am not saying that ABC, NBC, etc. are bad news sources. They clearly do report most of the stories right. However, our differences occur because I say that ABC, NBC, etc. get most of the stories correct and you say FOX gets NO stories correct, which is factually wrong. I'm going to bed now as well, I hope that we can continue this another time, as I enjoy talking with people who oppose my opinion in things that intrest me (the media being forced to lose their agendas is certainly a big one with me). | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:21 hasuprotoss wrote: [removed quote within quote] What the fuck? You have absolutely no proof to it. Read either of the books I presented and then read a book about conservatism in FOX. I gurantee you that they are at least close. Total fallacy does not describe my statement at all, especially with no proof to back it up. I can show that certain Fox News personalities have fabricated stories in various attempts to make one point or another. Remember O'Reilly's argument with General Wesley Clarke and the Malmedy controversy? Remember when O'Reilly fabricated a story to support his claim that there was a "War on Christmas" and got called on it? Can you show me a reporter from one of the so-called "leftist" networks fabricating stories and blatantly lying in order to push their agenda? Really, what the fuck... Dan Rather was forced to resign because he didn't check the credibility of his source. O'Reilly makes up shit and Fox News does nothing about it. What does that tell you? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10521 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:21 hasuprotoss wrote: [removed quote within quote] What the fuck? You have absolutely no proof to it. Read either of the books I presented and then read a book about conservatism in FOX. I gurantee you that they are at least close. Total fallacy does not describe my statement at all, especially with no proof to back it up. They may be as far off-center ideologically as FOX, but their actual news coverage is MUCH more neutral than FOX. All you have to do is watch in order to know that.. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On the Daily Show. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 26 2006 19:35 hasuprotoss wrote: [removed quote within quote] Yes. And Im saying they aren't even close. The 'liberal media' is just a smokescreen to make neo-cons feel oppressed and united. whens the last time CNN or even CBS spent their entire news segment (never mind a 24 hour news channel) on the democrat talking points? You really think its coincidence they just happen to coinicde with the bush speach of the week? When was the last time the mainstream media (and from this I rightly exclude fox) consistently lied about a partisan issue? the bush documents? An entire network got uprooted and raked over the coals by neo-cons for that... The lies are so common on Fox, that I would be surprised if anyone was able to keep track. Saying "but the liberal media is just as bad" is highly disingenuous (at least I hope it is)... I know politics is about opinion, but if you say something like that, back it up with studies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/03/AR2006050302299.html Meanwhile on Fox news, we get gems of well informed and highly important news stories such as: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200978,00.html I'll post more later, but Im going to bed. Ok, added an extra quote thing because that was starting to get on my nerves, but now onto the valid points you do raise. Opinions matter in deciding which news is right for you. You are clearly liberal and thus you agree with what the mainstream news say more often than not. I am clearly conservative on issues (with the exception of the death penalty, but that is only one point) and thus I agree with FOX more often than not. Clearly neither side reports all of the stories nor all of the facts. Sometimes they produce stupid stories, like the one you linked to. One example of the liberal media failing to report all of the facts is in the Erica Pratt case. They failed to mention a drug connection with Erica Pratt's parents and her kidnappers. Of course, FOX brought this up. However, I am more than certain that you guys have your points of FOX not reporting all the facts that were within a story that the liberal media got right. We, the people who take in the news from a potentially wide variety of sources, must decide who got the story right. Unfortunately, media corporations will do anything to play their agendas, even at the cost of doing what they need to do (report the news factually). I am not saying that ABC, NBC, etc. are bad news sources. They clearly do report most of the stories right. However, our differences occur because I say that ABC, NBC, etc. get most of the stories correct and you say FOX gets NO stories correct, which is factually wrong. I'm going to bed now as well, I hope that we can continue this another time, as I enjoy talking with people who oppose my opinion in things that intrest me (the media being forced to lose their agendas is certainly a big one with me).[/QUOTE] You really think the books you linked are unbiased? how about a study that shows...say that people who watch fox are more infrormed about the war in Iraq? I would also like to point out that Im not Liberal. I dont blindly follow party politics. I understand being conservative, you would want news with a conservative stance. But Fox isn't news. And why the fuck should I care about some kidnapped girl? Thats how important? Why dont we talk about journalistic integrity on a story that is actually news worthy. And a majority of tv news media is useless anyways, whether you think it is liberal or conservative. You should switch to print media. And then come back and look at what Fox is actually like. you say FOX gets NO stories correct, which is factually wrong. uh? I never said that. I said they constantly lie, and their viewers either dont bother researching, or don't care that their "news station" is lying to them in order to shift their votes. Fox is teaching you a "the liberals say, but.." us vs them mentality. But you should be careful, as not everyone who disagrees with you is liberal. | ||
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Singu
Netherlands90 Posts
sounds like a shitty newsstation.. then again, newspapers, radio and tv over here try to make us scared with their terror propaganda. They even started 'anti terror kits' and commercials on what to do when we are struck with terror. Its all propaganda in my honest opinion, i can't imagine how it would be like over there in the states.on a sidenote, how do you link youtube in the forum ? : ) | ||
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On September 26 2006 17:50 fig_newbie wrote: -_- I really dont think clinton should be so glorified for that interview. Sure he chewed out that ridiculous sham of a reporter and he certainly spoke his own side of the issue (quite well I might add), but Obermann's commentary is itself also a complete disgrace to journalism. Clinton is not infallible and theres certainly two sides of the issue, I just wish this shit would stop its really frustrating to see media who we as the public sadly depend on to disseminate unbiased facts succumb to blatant tabloid journalism. I mean wtf, do you guys really think Bush isnt TRYING? LOL? He is, and, just like Clinton, he FAILED in reaching SOME of his goals. This guys commentary is still running and I'm getting angrier hearing his bullshit rhetoric, wtf im gonna turn this off gg what? ur an idiot a disgrace to journalism? he's saying the truth, which not many other journalists are.. clinton is not infallible? his commentary wasn't even ABOUT clinton | ||
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--- In April 2003, O'Reilly appeared at a fundraiser for Best Friends, a charity benefiting inner-city schoolchildren. O'Reilly was trying to fill time before an African-American singing group called the Best Men was set to perform, and quipped "Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they're not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps." Some in the audience felt that it was a racially insensitive comment. O'Reilly claims the remarks were a reference to a common prank in the 1950s, and the event had a 50s theme | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On September 26 2006 11:39 garandou wrote: Obermann's comment on the FOX interview. Very insightful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KgkrApJ5PE&NR man that guy is good, I wonder does he write all his own speeches or someone else did. | ||
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