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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 13 2013 14:16 GMT
#781
On November 13 2013 23:05 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 23:00 GGitsJack wrote:
Hey guys, I always see the players record stuff in the pads in alot of the professional chess videos I come across. What is the purpose of this?

Originally I thought they're just recording a history of the moves, but what use would that be, in terms of analysis and such.



They are each just recording the moves, at the end they will sign each copy and hand them to an official. It isn't for analysis, but for official record keeping.

They mentioned earlier that in the past the scorecards have become collectors items as well, which I found very interesting.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 14:22:28
November 13 2013 14:19 GMT
#782
Why is the tower called a 'rook'?

edit: Hmm wikipedia says it the persian name for chariot. Still doesn't make much sense lol.
Neosteel Enthusiast
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
November 13 2013 14:24 GMT
#783
can u use that chessbomb analyzing programm for your games without paying sth?
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 13 2013 14:24 GMT
#784
On November 13 2013 23:19 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why is the tower called a 'rook'?

edit: Hmm wikipedia says it the persian name for chariot. Still doesn't make much sense lol.

The Bishop in French is called the Fool or Jester if I am not mistaken, the origins of piece names and roles is pretty interesting. There have been whole books written about how the one woman on the board became as important as she is.
Malli
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany138 Posts
November 13 2013 14:25 GMT
#785
On November 13 2013 23:19 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why is the tower called a 'rook'?

edit: Hmm wikipedia says it the persian name for chariot. Still doesn't make much sense lol.


I think in the original persian chess game the "rook" piece also was the chariot (rukh or sth like that) and later evolved into the rook which moves like it moves today.
gg no re
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
November 13 2013 14:30 GMT
#786
this Jerry guy is awesome

don't think I could stand watching this for 2 hours straight without him
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12451 Posts
November 13 2013 14:35 GMT
#787
Zugzwang after g5, isn't it?
No will to live, no wish to die
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
November 13 2013 14:35 GMT
#788
That is some smart ass pawn right there
Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12451 Posts
November 13 2013 14:36 GMT
#789
On November 13 2013 23:35 Aelfric wrote:
That is some smart ass pawn right there


Aww I love you <3
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Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 14:40:02
November 13 2013 14:36 GMT
#790
Anand probably seen that potential checkmate ages ago, but you never know I guess

Edit: yup, np for Anand. Still looks like a draw.
nFo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada56 Posts
November 13 2013 14:44 GMT
#791
On November 13 2013 23:19 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why is the tower called a 'rook'?

edit: Hmm wikipedia says it the persian name for chariot. Still doesn't make much sense lol.


Chess is believed to have come from India and the game had pieces based on indian armies, which had chariots. From there it went to persia, then to arabia and finally to europe.

So it makes sense, no?
“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 13 2013 14:52 GMT
#792
Anand is down on time quite a bit.
50sec per move now
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 13 2013 14:52 GMT
#793
Fortunately the position is trivial
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 13 2013 14:54 GMT
#794
On November 13 2013 23:44 nFo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 23:19 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why is the tower called a 'rook'?

edit: Hmm wikipedia says it the persian name for chariot. Still doesn't make much sense lol.


Chess is believed to have come from India and the game had pieces based on indian armies, which had chariots. From there it went to persia, then to arabia and finally to europe.

So it makes sense, no?

Not really, because somewhere in the middle the chariot piece turned into a tower piece, which is not an obvious transition to me at all... also english is one of the very few languages which calls it a rook instead of tower/castle if you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_set

The chariot makes sense to me if you look at the movement, as I can imagine ancient chariots being not easy to turn. Therefore allowing only straight movement.

But this is probably too offtopic so I'll shut up

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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 15:02:16
November 13 2013 14:55 GMT
#795
I don't understand why black couldn't just get the king to c rank after Rd2

-> Thx
No will to live, no wish to die
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 13 2013 14:57 GMT
#796
On November 13 2013 23:55 Nebuchad wrote:
I don't understand why black couldn't just get the king to c rank after Rd2

Perhaps 50.Rd2 Kc7 51.Ra8! Rxe7 52.Ra7+ and 53.Rxe7
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
November 13 2013 14:59 GMT
#797
Do the casters always play things out from the perspective of white or are they being biased by assuming Anand's perspective as fellow Indians?
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
November 13 2013 15:01 GMT
#798
On November 13 2013 23:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 23:44 nFo wrote:
On November 13 2013 23:19 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why is the tower called a 'rook'?

edit: Hmm wikipedia says it the persian name for chariot. Still doesn't make much sense lol.


Chess is believed to have come from India and the game had pieces based on indian armies, which had chariots. From there it went to persia, then to arabia and finally to europe.

So it makes sense, no?

Not really, because somewhere in the middle the chariot piece turned into a tower piece, which is not an obvious transition to me at all... also english is one of the very few languages which calls it a rook instead of tower/castle if you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_set

The chariot makes sense to me if you look at the movement, as I can imagine ancient chariots being not easy to turn. Therefore allowing only straight movement.

But this is probably too offtopic so I'll shut up




Some people here called it an elephant, and the fortification on top of the elephant was the rook part. Some states in India called it a chariot. When the game moved out, it became just the castle part on top.

/OT :p
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 13 2013 15:05 GMT
#799
On November 14 2013 00:01 dartoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 23:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On November 13 2013 23:44 nFo wrote:
On November 13 2013 23:19 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Why is the tower called a 'rook'?

edit: Hmm wikipedia says it the persian name for chariot. Still doesn't make much sense lol.


Chess is believed to have come from India and the game had pieces based on indian armies, which had chariots. From there it went to persia, then to arabia and finally to europe.

So it makes sense, no?

Not really, because somewhere in the middle the chariot piece turned into a tower piece, which is not an obvious transition to me at all... also english is one of the very few languages which calls it a rook instead of tower/castle if you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_set

The chariot makes sense to me if you look at the movement, as I can imagine ancient chariots being not easy to turn. Therefore allowing only straight movement.

But this is probably too offtopic so I'll shut up




Some people here called it an elephant, and the fortification on top of the elephant was the rook part. Some states in India called it a chariot. When the game moved out, it became just the castle part on top.

/OT :p

Thanks! Chariot-> Elefant chariot with barding -> moving tower makes a lot of sense.

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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
November 13 2013 15:05 GMT
#800
Anand forcing that trade

what a fucking player.
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