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kongoline
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/21/support-for-the-eu-on-the-rise-since-brexit-vote-even-in-the-uk What a surprise. English getting cold feet, and the Welsh being true to their name. Happy just to piss everyone off that are supposed to be allies with you. But I doubt the EU will let it slide. Would be funny if they throw you out regardless. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On November 22 2016 21:07 MyTHicaL wrote: Oh look. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/21/support-for-the-eu-on-the-rise-since-brexit-vote-even-in-the-uk What a surprise. English getting cold feet, and the Welsh being true to their name. Happy just to piss everyone off that are supposed to be allies with you. But I doubt the EU will let it slide. Would be funny if they throw you out regardless. I find it amusing that support for EU in Europe increases once UK says it wants to leave! | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On November 22 2016 21:35 Deleuze wrote: I find it amusing that support for EU in Europe increases once UK says it wants to leave! They see what y'all did and want nothing of it  | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On November 22 2016 22:41 xM(Z wrote: that's a 3~4 month old survey + establishment media = < fill in the blanks > . So we can assume that it is now even higher following the same trend? Add that to the fact that this is the figures for those who are pro-EU vs. who are against + those who are indifferent. I don't see how a Romanian- if you are indeed Romanian would be anti-EU. The business practices of the EU are that of globalisation and capitalism but only one side of a dice. Personally I don't necessarilly agree with that side, it's the other sides I agree with. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
And look, yet another study showing France to be more anti-immigration and anti-globalisation than the UK: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx3aFkTWQAA_91G.jpg:large) It's also funny that your own link shows France to have lower approval ratings of the EU than the UK does - after the UK already voted to leave. I wonder what those ratings will look like after a Brexit-style campaign. And with France having the highest anti-immigration sentiment in western Europe, I wonder if immigration might feature as an issue in that campaign . The further clamp-down on adult sites is ridiculous. I have no problems with TM on Brexit and she stands for a common sense liberal position on safe spaces, etc, but when it comes to the internet her liberal values apparently abandon her completely. Saw early results of her snooper's charter recently, too, which was a fraudulent piece of legislation. Under the guise of anti-terrorism we now have a piece of legislation that legitimises whatever form of internet censorship the police feel like implementing. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxq1GizXUAEAyBy.jpg:large) It never had anything to do with counter-terrorism. Realistically we all know that MI5/GCHQ are trawling through internet history and whatever other information/communications they can get their hands on. Most people don't care too much about that because these organisations do not have time to waste of trivialities. Giving similar powers to police forces is just begging for incompetent abuses of power and invasions of privacy. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
No way that a government will make a choice it strongly opposes on principle. There will need to be a new government for it to happen. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
But bad events do come in 3s. Brexit, Trump, Le Pen would make sense, but maybe the Asian Trump of the Philapenes counts. Le Pen loses in almost every head to head possible. And unlike the USA, people who vote FN actually openly admit to it. And the EU just helps Europe have a say in globalisation, it doesn't push it forward. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 22 2016 23:26 bardtown wrote: And look, yet another study showing France to be more anti-immigration and anti-globalisation than the UK Sorry, I didn't follow your conversation between you and Mythical—could you briefly sum up what point you're trying to make with that comparison? | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On November 22 2016 23:29 LegalLord wrote: I'm absolutely certain that the pro-EU elements of the government will drag their feet on the Brexit for as long as humanly possible. It's absolutely going to take another election to make it happen and I think May declined to call an early election because she is hoping to sabotage the Brexit within the next four years. No way that a government will make a choice it strongly opposes on principle. There will need to be a new government for it to happen. I am absolutely certain that you are wrong. Where do we go from here? The government does not oppose Brexit on principle. It has a number of prominent Leave campaigners in key positions, and even those that were for Remain are still conservative democrats. Who in their right mind would fill their cabinet with prominent, dogged Leavers (2 of whom could well be leadership challengers) only to go against them? May is hardly staunchly pro-EU herself, either, and if she wants her legacy to be worth anything then leaving the EU is essential. Who structures their premiership around stalling? I'm sorry but I think your perspective is so far off. Anyone who still thinks Brexit is optional is living in an alternate reality. You cannot get more than half the country riled up about their sovereignty/democracy and then try to undermine it. Block Brexit and you will have people on the streets until it is unblocked. Most people in parliament understand that, and the government certainly does. On November 22 2016 23:36 TheDwf wrote: Sorry, I didn't follow your conversation between you and Mythical—could you briefly sum up what point you're trying to make with that comparison? One of his go-to points is that England is a horrendously racist and conservative place, and that this is why we voted for Brexit. I've been showing him various studies which pass through my feeds showing that France is comparatively much more against immigration than the UK. It's just part of the common trend in modern politics to call your opponents racist rather than argue a point. Poland is far more racist than the UK, and far more in favour of the EU. It doesn't add up. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On November 22 2016 23:19 MyTHicaL wrote: So we can assume that it is now even higher following the same trend? Add that to the fact that this is the figures for those who are pro-EU vs. who are against + those who are indifferent. I don't see how a Romanian- if you are indeed Romanian would be anti-EU. The business practices of the EU are that of globalisation and capitalism but only one side of a dice. Personally I don't necessarilly agree with that side, it's the other sides I agree with. i wouldn't call it a trend but a temporary reaction to a scare. i would attribute any increase(if it exists) in EU support throughout the zone, to the russian scare. what you have with romanians is a paradox. as an example(since it came out recently): ![[image loading]](http://www.demdigest.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/populism-authoritarian-europe-yougov.png) + Show Spoiler + see that note on the bottom?, *all AP groups in Romania are pro EU which literally goes against the definition of a populist. my opinion on why that happens is: - definitions; disagreements(to put it lightly) about what words and concepts mean. historically and politically we've been allies with everyone(fascists, communists, islamists etc) and fucked the other sides in the process, so i'll say we whored with the times and not read that much into it but as far as the regular joe goes, it comes down to definitions. there's some exceptional elitism going on here around words and meanings and if a romanian knows that X means Y you're shit out of luck in convincing him otherwise. our le fond does not match with your la forme because we say so. so to translate that chart: the populism rise is, by extension, what romanians want EU to mean, to be, to stand for. so even when we+ Show Spoiler + i use we here loosely and if some romanians don't lake it, i don't care ps: either that or everyone hated the brits so after they left, people went back on the EU wagon. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:08 MyTHicaL wrote: I mainly give reference to the false self-inflated global importance England seems to have for itself. Its' delusion of being anything more but a financial centre- something that it is in the middle of losing. But bardtown will give reference to its' consumer markets as if that alone can possibly propel the country anywhere. Delusion? If you live in a world where science and tech and military strength and intelligence services and higher education and culture are irrelevant then, sure, all we have is finance  .I've also addressed this idea that London will suddenly lose it's status as a financial centre. The general consensus from inside the sector and outside (including heads of EU banks like DB) is that London will still be the financial centre for Europe. Time will tell, but your assertions run contrary to the general mood. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/17/brexit-unlikely-to-mean-loss-of-citys-role-in-processing-deals-in-euros Note how I try to link Guardian/Independent articles so you guys can't dismiss it as right wing propaganda . | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
If the UK does not stay within the single market then capital and services cannot remain tarrif free. It's pretty simple really. EU countries will force hard brexit so it simply cannot happen. http://uk.businessinsider.com/confidential-deutsche-bank-briefing-where-banks-post-brexit-2016-7 You are, without linking them, quoting tabloid newspaper articles again. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On November 22 2016 23:26 bardtown wrote: The further clamp-down on adult sites is ridiculous. I have no problems with TM on Brexit and she stands for a common sense liberal position on safe spaces, etc, but when it comes to the internet her liberal values apparently abandon her completely. Saw early results of her snooper's charter recently, too, which was a fraudulent piece of legislation. Under the guise of anti-terrorism we now have a piece of legislation that legitimises whatever form of internet censorship the police feel like implementing. It never had anything to do with counter-terrorism. Realistically we all know that MI5/GCHQ are trawling through internet history and whatever other information/communications they can get their hands on. Most people don't care too much about that because these organisations do not have time to waste of trivialities. Giving similar powers to police forces is just begging for incompetent abuses of power and invasions of privacy. I find it highly unlikely that this letter is genuine... Why would admin staff be in on a Saturday typing up letters like this? It doesn't specify that the anon has actually broken any law - saying racist things isn't illegal (racist abuse is ie saying them at someone). How was it that police trawled through the ISP data all on the same day that the IP Bill was passed? If ever there was a Bill to be concerned about - and dare I say unite people in opposing - it's this one. But let's not swallow some anons BS. Edit: Also: The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On November 23 2016 04:26 MyTHicaL wrote: There is no evidence DB states this. If the UK does not stay within the single market then capital and services cannot remain tarrif free. It's pretty simple really. EU countries will force hard brexit so it simply cannot happen. http://uk.businessinsider.com/confidential-deutsche-bank-briefing-where-banks-post-brexit-2016-7 You are, without linking them, quoting tabloid newspaper articles again. No, you're calling The Telegraph a tabloid when it is, in fact, a broadsheet that doesn't report in line with your political leaning. In the meantime you're quite happy to cite The Guardian when you must know full well that it is the left wing equivalent of the Daily Mail. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9844 Posts
On November 23 2016 05:39 Deleuze wrote: I find it highly unlikely that this letter is genuine... Why would admin staff be in on a Saturday typing up letters like this? It doesn't specify that the anon has actually broken any law - saying racist things isn't illegal (racist abuse is ie saying them at someone). How was it that police trawled through the ISP data all on the same day that the IP Bill was passed? If ever there was a Bill to be concerned about - and dare I say unite people in opposing - it's this one. But let's not swallow some anons BS. Edit: Also: Does he try and wriggle out of it(5/2), deny it and keep insisting he is right (2/1), or ignore your post and pretend it never happened(evens)? | ||
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